Mick

You're as boring and repetitive as ever, straight into the defence of Shepherd whenever he's mentioned. (Edited) I decided to read past pre-1992, it's usually when I stop reading. Bowyer & Speed, do them two names ring any bells?

Some of his quotes are cracking, especially the last. The answer to his last point is probably something along the lines of Roeder not having enough time to evaluate the player. On Woodgate, we knew about his medical condition so I can't see why he mentions it, if we showed an interest in him then we must have accepted that he might break down. It just looks like sour grapes and excuses.

He'd probably jump at the chance to work with Roeder, it's every footballers dream.

Half a Snickers bar will do a better job on the gutters, stick with what you've got.

Freddy wouldn't do that, would he? We're probably just trying to get some cash together so we can strengthen our strongest positions.

Nobody cares. Speak for yourself.

Great, that'll have us in 16th unless Man City can do something about it.

Good idea, they're a propaganda machine for the club.

I can think of two people who would rather die than back this campaign, surely you wouldn't want to push them to one side. Im getting confused Mick what do you want? Freddy out or not, or are you speaking from experience ?? I'm confused that you're confused.

I can think of two people who would rather die than back this campaign, surely you wouldn't want to push them to one side.

Correct, some wanted Roeder.

I would think that somebody who was heavily involved with the magpie group and played an active part in getting rid of the old board has a lot of valid points to make on the subject of the board. I would say his opinion is more valid than both of ours although it doesn't stop either of us having an opinion. I would also think most people realise we could get worse than we've got as chairman, we just don't automatically think it will happen and hope this isn’t the case. A lot of people can also see how we’ve gone backwards under Shepherd although we have no divine right to do better than we are. You can knock the old board as much as you want, it’s easy. But, I don’t see anything in Shepherd to make me think he’s doing any better than they did or would have done better than them if he was in the same position. The old board didn’t become shit over night, it was a combination of a lot of mistakes by a lot of people and it just snowballed. McKeag seems to get most of the blame, I hated him more than any other chairman at the time because I was looking at the current situation, at that time, and blamed him for everything. In reality it was something that happened and part of the reason was the state of football in this country, you can ignore this is you want but I would just say look at attendance figures for football in general, they were crap at most grounds. That didn’t really pick up until Sky came on the scene and pumped more money into football than ever before. I’m not trying to defend the board of old, they were crap and made mistakes. The only chairman of old that Shepherd might have been better than is Westwood because Freddy might have splashed more cash after the Fairs Cup win, then again he might not have, we’ll never know. What I do know is that Shepherd couldn’t have spent money at that time if the club didn’t have it, the banks would not have allowed it. He’s got no record of appointing managers who have been a success so I have no reason to think he would have done any better on that score than the old boards. What has he done that suggests he would have done better back then? It’s also a serious question because I don’t see anything on his CV that gives me any confidence that things would have been better back then, under him. Yes, they were crap, so is he. I have no personal reason to dislike Shepherd other than what he's done to our club. Where we were the day he took over and where we have been for far too much of his chairmanship and that's down to him for appointing the wrong people and backing failures, he did that, not us. We now appear to be strapped for cash, the reason is his two mistakes, appointing shit then backing it with far too much money, it was doomed the day Souness was appointed, Shepherd got one of his top two priorities wrong when he appointed Souness then got the second priority, the clubs finances wrong by backing Souness with mega sums of money. Sorry about the rant, I'm not sure where that came from.

Why did Gordon Lee not move his family up to Newcastle? I'm not his spokesman so wasn't given that information, were you? Pop Robson that local mackem, hardly stayed anywhere for very long, after leaving Newcastle he was moving clubs every couple of seasons, he couldn't stay in one place for very long so whatever excuse he uses is invalidated by his actions to a certain degree. If he'd made his reasons known then stayed at one or two clubs for any length of time then I'd find what he said a bit easier to agree with. Could he not make his mind up if West Ham or the Mackems were the club for him? What does that say about a mackem who left the team he claimed to support? How does the mackem who had little or no loyalty to the team he supported help in your campaign to defend Shepherd? "How many local lads on this message board would want to leave Newcastle United these days if you played for them" has no relevance to anything, it's hypothetical for a start. 12 months ago I would have said that I didn't want to work outside of the North East, today I do. I see you've got into asking questions again to try and deflect attention away from your obsession with defending the un-defendable chairman. You don't even know about this era so don't try to pick up on my knowledge of past era's or I'll remind people how you think that Ellis is a shit chairman while he has a better record of finishing above us while we've had Shepherd, sorry I just did.

I'm sure Hamann said that he wanted to go to Liverpool to win things, or at least words to that effect. Beardsley went to Liverpool because he thought (rightly) that he'd have a better chance of winning something. Waddle left for the money and became known as Judas because of it, Waddle went to Spurs then Marseille, he even admitted that he left Spurs because of the money although he never admitted leaving Newcastle for the cash, most fans thought that was the reason. That's why he took so much stick from thousands of us when we played down at Tottenham although I probably wasn't at the ground to witness the abuse and you probably were, I'm sure you can now reveal what exactly the abuse was about. Gazza, some people said his head had been turned by the money people were earning at other clubs and he had just been voted PFA young player of the year, again though that was never the reason given but how many players are going to say that they left because of the money and get stick for it when they can just blame the board who were an easy target? I'm quite sure John Gibson once said that Gazza doubled his money when he went to Spurs but that's going off memory of something that happened years ago. I'm sure I read that he thought he'd been ripped off by the club when he was playing for us and starring in games and being paid a low wage, low for a footballer. Basically, we don't know why two of them left, Waddle and Gazza, so you say what you want and I'll come up with something different. You can say that it was because of the un-ambitious board which it might have been and I'll go off the perception that a lot of people had at the time, money.

I'll back Ozzie on some things and not on others, I'll probably back you on some and not on others, like I did with Souness but not Shepherd, that's normal. you can comment on the bold bit if you like. As well as tell us why Gordon Lee and Arthur Cox left Newcastle, leading to relegation and the sale of our 3 locally born England players As you are a long term supporter - cough cough - you should know the answer. Gordon Lee left because he said he wanted to be closer to his family who were still living in the North West, you should remember that. Arthur Cox left because he didn't think that the board were backing him enough, I've answered both before. Our 3 locally born England players were sold because they wanted to leave, the same as when Hamann was sold to Liverpool because he wanted to leave. What's the significance of these three locally born players who probably watched Newcastle as much as Hamann before any of them signed? Is it that one was a mackem? Is it that one hardly ever watched Newcastle before he signed?

Not quite but in your mind it's true. By the way, did I ever tell you what NE5 once told me when Souness was at the club and most people were arguing in his favour?

I'll back Ozzie on some things and not on others, I'll probably back you on some and not on others, like I did with Souness but not Shepherd, that's normal.

Take your time when reading this. Take time out and get medical advice, first you don't see comments from people which you later put down to having a PC which out-dates electricity, then you see my support for Souness which has never been seen before, by anybody else although I'm sure NE5 will back you up. You have some sort of problem, it's probably a medical condition but it would be worth getting a second opinion and the relevant treatment.

I hate to have to tell you this sonny, but anything I throw out would probably be an upgrade for the likes of you. Sorry, like. :doh2: I can only guess and hope that you knew what you were on about when you typed that one.

No, I prefer teams which are not struggling and getting relegated, that's why I always felt that appointing Souness was so obviously going to end in tears, Roeder could go the same way but I don't think he's dropped to that level yet. I'm not happy to settle for a chairman who is taking us backwards, its you who is settling for struggling and the possibility of relegation.

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What a terrible error on my behalf, good thing I read posts before replying, at least I would know what I've typed and what somebody else has added. Am I correct in assuming that you post before you read or that you assume that people always quote correctly? if you read them why are you asking who makes the blue text :roll: I asked a question to make a point, think about it.

Is it terrible reaching the FA Cup Final? I didn't watch them at home, I was in the Olympic Gallery for the Man U final (about 5 or 6 seats away from one of your heroes, Fanny Gowling) and in the cheap seats for the Arsenal game. Supporting Ozzie means nothing more than agreeing with him about this, I guess it'll not always be the case but I can't think of a single person ever in my life who I've agreed with 100% all of the time. If I took your approach then I'd never agree with anybody, a bit like you at the minute.

are you spending your money in the mackems shop these days instead of the shit club at SJP ? Funny as fook that Mick is actually supporting you. I don't see anything funny at all apart from your reaction, I can agree with people about some things and disagree with them about others. Would you now say that Shepherd was shite if Ozzie said that he was good? I can’t see anything wrong with that, nothing at all.