Mick

I honestly think the series of games we've had since his appointment have killed any chance of a motivational boost.

I agree with most of that except for where we would be with Allerdyce, I don't think we would have a single point more. In some ways I wish he was still here, just so he could get the stick he deserves and suffer the shite we're having to suffer, instead of sitting at home with all those £millions.

Keegan is now, he's our manager.

I wouldn't waste my time arguing about John Terry, we've got plenty of other problems to worry about.

I didn't think you were having a go, I don't understand why I said 4 as I mentioned 8 a couple of weeks back.

My mistake, I thought it was 4.

I'm not sure we could repeat our early results now under Keegan, I also don't think we could repeat them now if Allardyce was still here. The only result which I think might have been different under him would have been Stoke at home in the FA Cup, I doubt we'd have scored so many goals. As for the spending, I think £12 million of what was spent could have been spent on better than Smith and Barton.

Like I said, he needed to sort some things out.

Harper actually made at least a couple of good saves, something I can't remember Given doing.

Do you mean like the team who has given Derby almost 50% of the 9 points they've won to date.

The main things Bobby had to sort was Jenas not playing like he did in his first season, a replacement for Nobby who was stupidly sold and a replacement for an ageing Speed who didn't need to be sold for a pittance. We needed to turn draws into wins, I'm sure we only lost 4 league games during the season when we finished 5th, it wasn't many.

Some, like me would say we didn't, I think he'd have turned us around if given the support to bring the players in that he wanted, we'll never know. Even Arsenal and Man U go through transitional periods under Wenger and Ferguson, why should we have been any different?

That'll have been before he got rid of our two most likely match winners, Souness shafted us and we're still paying for it.

I think we're as bad as we have been since getting promoted but I wouldn't just blame the one manager, Souness and Roeder both contributed to what we're going through now. At least Roeder was man enough to resign, oh wait.........................

I've seen that word used before, only by one person though.

Nice one.

Nothing boils my blood more than those who stopped behind to applaud 14th, probably the same ones who boo'd 5th.

No good, shit floats.

Agreed.

I still don't think we will but we lack any kind of spark if we keep playing the 11 we had out today, our lack of creativity is frightening. We need a win soon because sometimes you get into the sort of run we’re in and can’t get out of it, we need a win, no matter how we get it.

I wouldn't have played him today, regardless of what he'd said.

I've got a lot of time for Ferguson and no, I doubt the other 2 would have done the same.

To be fair to Ferguson, he went to the BBC awards to honour Bobby so it's no surprise that Ferguson made an effort today, tramp or no tramp.

It's a good thing that we're doing so well we can pick out a kid for special criticism who is playing out of position, excellent.

I though the tramp looked OK with that tie, his badge on his jacket was shite like.