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Best of luck to Jose wherever he goes but if he has been "has been offered one of the club's most lucrative contracts in recent times - according to Pardew ,if thats to be believed and im far from sure it is what has happened to our pay structure or is Jose been offered an extra £50 a week

Most pointless thread of the week and the winner is

Oh Dave you are as cynical as me atm

Not really bothered what you think its my opinion and ive been watching the Toon since 1969 and know a thing or two about being ran poorly so dont call me stupid when you know as well as me that the powers that be see him as a potential money spinner if he does well ,i feel sorry for him as he may believe his ambitions can come true here and im being cynical for that reason . So why should any player want to join us ever, if we can't guarantee trophies for them. Any player coming to this club should be told that if they are part of the team that wins our 1st trophy in 40 years they'll be heralded as gods in Newcastle, that has got to be an incentive to some players (though not to Carroll the c***).

Start low and get laughed at by your worst enemy in business

Yes i hate the owner and i never said dont sign the players but its the spin that makes me laugh and i really do hope the signings do well for our club as we all really want that but you have got to see the funny side to what Sylvain has been told and yes i know thats what you tell a player but its the irony of it tbf pleased im getting some bites tbh its what forums are there for

Guess im on a downer atm with the owner and Pardew with his soundbites that day by day seem to contradict himself ,i know our position in the world but overall so far in this window we are lacking quality and back ups in certain positions especially a centre forward ,i dont want buying for buyings sake as its a waste of time but imho we have hit a brick wall in the forward position unless we are waiting for the money to start moving around or the season to kick in and put a bid in for a player who is not starting the season as first choice at his own club and thats dangerous game to play if we dont get them in time but thats a different thread and scenario.

Not really bothered what you think its my opinion and ive been watching the Toon since 1969 and know a thing or two about being ran poorly so dont call me stupid when you know as well as me that the powers that be see him as a potential money spinner if he does well ,i feel sorry for him as he may believe his ambitions can come true here and im being cynical for that reason .

Lets put it another way do you think Marveaux has come here to win things with us when the last notable cup was back in 1969 ,Enrique has seen that he is gonna win nowt here with a club with no ambition and will try and make the most from his football career and i dont blame him .Recent history shows (post Ashley) that we are now a selling club and Tiote will be gone if they can make a profit so when you have a dig at me think about where we are going and thats why i am being negative ,yes you sell a club to a potential signing but do you honestly feel confident that we are heading in the right direction , i am not having a cheap pop but i am worried that our squad will become weaker in the next few weeks and incomings being obtained on the cheap and unproven at this level ,i hope i am proved wrong . well we'll have to wait and see....but for the rest, enrique may well reckon he can do better and he possibly could but as yet no-one has, as for being a selling club, i'll guess that means carroll, every fan from all other clubs i've spoke to have said they'd have sold for 25mill let alone 35. merveaux hasn't really come here to win things, but to improve and make a step up.....like enrique did and tiote when they came here. get the right mix and the club moves up aswell. I hope so

Lets put it another way do you think Marveaux has come here to win things with us when the last notable cup was back in 1969 ,Enrique has seen that he is gonna win nowt here with a club with no ambition and will try and make the most from his football career and i dont blame him .Recent history shows (post Ashley) that we are now a selling club and Tiote will be gone if they can make a profit so when you have a dig at me think about where we are going and thats why i am being negative ,yes you sell a club to a potential signing but do you honestly feel confident that we are heading in the right direction , i am not having a cheap pop but i am worried that our squad will become weaker in the next few weeks and incomings being obtained on the cheap and unproven at this level ,i hope i am proved wrong .

Just feel sorry for the guy tbh when the majority of us can see through the bullshit he is getting spun

Give it a rest man. Give it a rest man. getting a bit tiresome how everything positive turns into a negative by some. 'Oh we have signed Messi on the cheap because of some random clause?' 'What is it with us signing players on these f***ing clauses!?' annoyance disapproval disdain annoyance disapproval disdain I havn`t looked forward to a start of a season so much for a long time. The negative is the worry when it comes to our bad luck. I`m half expecting Ben arfa to get kidnapped, marveaux to get run over, cabaye to be injured in a freak accident by the ref and Ba to have a family member die or get shot at. FFS READ THIS BIT AND TAKE IT IN The United summer signing told the Chronicle: “We know there is a lot of work to do before we think about Europe, but we are keen to get something started this season and the French players are all determined to be involved in that. “I have spoken with the manager a lot. “From what he says about the way the team will play I think I can ignite the supporters. “The club wants to do very big things and achieve success, which is why I came here. “I came here with the idea of playing in Europe. Read More http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2011/07/09/marveaux-french-quartet-can-re-ignite-toon-72703-29023940/#ixzz1S1khnF2J Tell me what is wrong with that sentance i have included as imho there are a few things i can pick away at as can be seen by the bleeding obvious ,i really want our new boys to do well and have a great season but for gods sake i am sceptical about the owner and his puppets intentions .

Fuck me what a stupid idea to include rangers and Celtic in a Northern conference when F.I.F.A stipulate that it is not allowed ,any chance this can be included in a Stupid idea for a thread award at the end of the season Dave

Pardew said the money would be reinvested out of the Carroll sale ,he was told by Llambias and thats the crux of the current debate that that promise was made and so far very little net spend of that money.

Very true and no end to the cycle and i for one will be going halfs with a mate the season after next as i packed in a few years ago after 38 yrs of going regular ,its in my blood i guess and will not let it leave me .

Where would you theorize this "vanished" money is going? Because if it's into Ashley's back pocket that would be embezzlement. Im no expert on running a football club but Ashley is the owner ,but he is probably saving it for a rainy day

Who says it is? They said it would be reinvested in the team and i dont expect all in one go ,the normal revenue for a football club that is used for transfers normall comes from that stream ,no one has said anything about that but its the promise of the Carroll money being spent that is the main point in question .Do you think the Carroll money should cover agents fees and wages etc ?

I really think you have been brainwashed tbh and if you think what Ashley and co are doing is acceptable you should really start questioning your mentality

There is a growing concern by the majority of Toon fans that our owner is not reinvesting that money and just going for the cheap option and wage caps seem to have an effect on this ,imho there has never been a better time to push on but the powers that be seem incabable of grasping this due to there practicall zero football knowledge and how the process works .I do not expect the 35 million to be spunked in one big jizz but i dont like the fact it will get eaten away by agents fees ,salary for the length of the contract etc ,i have never known of this occurance in football before until now .

:omg: That team could have got us in the Champions League

Its a free country say what you feel ,some chairman say they do and others use the income the club generates from all the above mentioned in the True Faith article and that is how football works unless you dip into the red like many clubs do but by all accounts we are hardly dipping into the Carroll monies and thats the crux of the matter .

Good article from True Faith here Those of us who tuned in to BBC Radio Newcastle’s interview with Alan Pardew last Monday had our “card marked” about the monies the club was spending strengthening the squad this summer. Following Pardew’s radio interview, Derek Llambias, Mike Ashley’s hard to like Managing Director told us some of the money received from the Carroll deal would be kept back for January in case we needed to spend then too. This is the January transfer window, Alan Pardew tells us has little value in it. All of the monies received from Carroll would stay in the club we were er, “assured”. Without the benefit of the club’s accounts in front of me, I can, only at best come up with some uneducated guesswork and questions but here goes: Why is it, the Carroll money is the only money the club has its disposal for virtually everything? Why, for example, is the Carroll money used to pay for under-soil heating at the club’s training ground? Weren’t we previously told Mike Ashley was funding that himself? Why is it, when the new players who have signed for us this season, their wages over the life of their contract is being paid for from the Carroll money? Why are we the only club in the country who seems to operate this way? Why aren’t wages spread over their contract (or until they leave) from the club’s future revenue as is the norm? Why are deals being stacked up this way, when we know there is every chance the players will not see out their contract and will leave before it ends anyway? Why is it when players leave the club and their wages are no longer a liability for us that this is not factored in to the deals the manager can make to bring in new players? For example since January 2011 we have lost several well paid players from the squad (Andy Carroll (£30Kpw), Sol Campbell (£40Kpw) and Kevin Nolan (£40Kpw))? Very roughly that could mean e.£5m pa has been removed from the payroll but the club is paying future salaries from the Carroll money despite the reductions to the payroll from players outgoing. As above, the club is planning to remove further liabilities from the payroll in the form of Alan Smith (£60Kpw), Xisco (£60Kpw), Leon Best (U/K), Nile Ranger (U/K) and the strong likelihood of Jose Enrique (£30Kpw) and Joey Barton (£60Kpw) leaving, why is the club unable to be competitive with its offer of wages to new players, i.e. Daniel Sturridge, Charles N’Zogbia? Removing those players from the payroll could free up a further e.£3m pa from the payroll. What is the club’s expected player salaries to total turnover anticipated to be this financial year? Why did the club use the Carroll money to pay Chiek Tiote’s improved contract? Or has that been incorrectly reported by the press? What is the club’s other revenue (in the form of season tickets, merchandise, TV, sponsorship and corporate) now being used for? How much does the club remain in debt to Mike Ashley? Is the club’s non-Carroll money (season tickets, merchandise, corporate, TV, sponsorship) being used to repay Mike Ashley his loans? Is this financial strategy for the club being deployed to prepare the club for sale? Does the club have a potential purchaser? Or is this financial strategy, namely NO CAPITAL OUTLAY, to be deployed as the club’s standard method for running the business indefinitely? In my opinion, there is far too much of the smoke and mirrors going on at the club right now and whether Ashley-Llambias-Pardew give a damn, the growing mood amongst supporters, in my opinion is one of mistrust towards the hierarchy for what is perceived as being less than 100% honest. As I see it. Declining to be interviewed directly by a supporters publication or anyone else ahead of the April deadline for season ticket renewals removes any claim they could even imagine making of transparency. Its my opinion, Ashley-Llambias probably couldn’t give a toss about what we think of them. Their previously scandalous treatment of club icons Kevin Keegan and Alan Shearer demonstrates that but I do know their manner of running the club is leading to the disillusionment of many long term and loyal supporters, some of whom have decided to end their association with Newcastle United after many years. Some are regretting the purchase of season tickets and feel conned. Some will only be back when Ashley-Llambias-Pardew have gone. Why Alan Pardew is allowing himself to be part of this operation is a subject of some salacious gossip (and nowhere does salacious gossip quite like Tyneside and its environs) and its accuracy remains to be seen but it becomes extremely dangerous for the manager to be seen as part of the “cockney mafia” and a hierarchy, in my opinion, who are viewed as dishonest by a large section of supporters. They will never remove the stain of admitting to lying to the supporters and seem disinterested in doing so. Communications are as lamentable now as they ever have ever been, despite this being previously admitted and a promise made to correct it. But if Pardew indulges in this “marking cards” garbage he is going to find himself in a very cold and lonely place. If he brings a Newcastle United party back from the Village of the Damned in August with nowt to show for the trip, I guess we Geordies might just have tired of his wide boy schmaltz by then. Right now, Pardew is at serious risk of becoming Joe Kinnear with an O Level. Please don’t bullshit us, we‘ve heard it all before! But back to the questions: Will the club avoid selling players at a point in this transfer window when it is impossible to replace them? I have fears about Tiote, Barton and Enrique being flogged in the last few days as per what has happened under Ashley (N‘Zogbia, Given, Carroll). Why have we seemingly been priced out of signing Charles N’Zogbia for a reported £9m fee when we were “supposed” to have bid £10m for him in January? Or was that also incorrectly reported? The club has three recognised centre halves following the departure of Sol Campbell at the end of the season. Is three centre-halves enough? Cover at right-back? Why are we constantly drip-fed stuff about the club that is unremittingly negative regarding our status in the game (e.g. Alan Pardew claiming we can’t compete on wages with Spurs and Liverpool?) given we have the third largest stadium in the country, with the third highest attendances (despite being relegated two seasons ago and being focussed on nothing other than avoiding relegation for the foreseeable future), being a one club city in a regional capital, having an enviable hinterland of potential corporate customers, a recognised European brand and recent history of playing Champions League and UEFA Cup football? Why isn’t the club being marketed to potential investors in according with our status in the game? Other than the PUMA kit deal and Northern Rock sponsorship (which was a renewal of a current deal), what additional revenue have they brought into the club via their commercial operations? Mike Ashley has a reported personal wealth of £1.1bn. He is the fifth wealthiest owner of a football club in the PL. He claims to be a supporter. I don’t know a Newcastle United supporter worthy of the description who would allow the club to continue to be run as if it was on the bones of its arse with that kind of personal wealth at their disposal. Does Mike Ashley have any plans to invest any of his personal money into the club? Why is the club operating to a scope of ambition no greater than Stoke, Bolton, Blackburn, Wigan, Fulham? I’ll not hold my breath waiting for answers.

Lethal injection for impersonating a footballer

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/black-white/ben_arfa_must_fight_for_toon_spot_1_3565135 Pretty much guarantee Ben Arfa is the first name on the team sheet every week closely followed by Tiote and Cabaye. What a s*** piece of sensationalist journalism. If Newcastle can capture chief target Charles N’Zogbia this summer, it will add to the creative talent at Pardew’s disposal. Chief target since when