LionOfGosforth

Respect your opinion but i'm going to massively disagree that he hasn't over-achieved. Taking into account where he started from, the state of the squad and the gap to the big teams, what he did in his first full season was an absolute miracle. He followed that up with a CL season where we a little unluckily missed Europe again, then a first trophy in 70 years and another CL campaign. I find the sentence "history is irrelevant" to be quite incredible. I've seen Newcastle win a trophy in my lifetime, something I never thought would happen and this will always be meaningful and looked back on with pride and love. It's not irrelevant at all. This season has been bad no argument, but with the context of Isak, PSR, No DoF or CEO and a mess forged by all the big guns copying our homework and signing everyone we wanted and with the conclusion of us having to sign players way down our list, I get some of it. That's the context and I think as frustrated as we all are, to not apply it to this season's problems is not right. All that said, if it's the end, then it's the end and I hope he gets the send-off he deserves, bloke's a legend.

I wasn't talking about this season specifically, the entire era. we've over-achieved massively overall or do you think what's he's achieved is about par? Because the progression hasn't been constantly linear and the going has gotten tough, it's time to get rid looks like. Are we going to do this every time a manager has a down season? Or does out trajectory always have to be upwards without interruption? Because that is pie in the sky. I'm not defending today or the season in general BTW. If you look at the constraints EH has worked within, I doubt anyone else could do better across 5 years. Do you honestly think Iraola (who incidentally plays a very similar way and system to EH), wouldn't flame out after a bright start? Is he even someone we'd have a chance at recruiting anyway? What i'm getting at is, show me a coach who can work within PSR/SCR, get us from near relegation to CL within a year and win us a trophy and actually wants to come. And if he exists, he's probably either someone not attainable or someone not willing to work at a club with a revenue so far behind the top 5. Honestly, you can have the opinion that Eddie's time is done, I won't argue too much. I'm not Howe in at all costs. Just don't expect some elite coach to come swanning in no bother. Honestly, the speed PIF move at, I shudder at who would come through the door.

This is the crux of our issues. We're not a top club, not revenue-wise anyway. I'll grant you this season has been poor and the football needs to be better, but until that changes, we can have anyone you like as manager, things aren't going to be any better than they've been in this era.

Hate their fanbase, have done for many years. Arrogant fuckers when they briefly achieved things, despite doing nothing else for a 100 other seasons.

Finally some good news. Them going down plus Leicester would be pure taste.

This is roughly where i'm at. I was still Eddie in after the Barca/mackem debacle week so it would make me as fickle as anyone if I was now Eddie out after losing at home to bloody Bournemouth, which we routinely seem to do anyway. Point being, a couple of bad random results shouldn't change the mid to long term feelings. It's a bit more than that at this point though, the players aren't putting in a shift anymore. Is that just this season is over or is there more to it? I still think he's earned the grace of a down season given all the context of last summer, many in here clearly disagree. That said, ultimately, just like in the beginning when he was questioned before turning it around, it comes down to results and this season has been pretty bad and not fun to watch at all. The players want shooting with shit for the past couple of performances, nowhere near good enough. Maybe something has gone on behind the scenes because I don't think this group has ever been this poor and lacking confidence or fight. I think there are valid points and criticisms on both sides, feel how you want to feel over it, want him to stay or go, however the "get him out now" crowd, that's disrespectful, horseshit craic like.

Million percent. More than a few are not playing for him, or putting in that 110% they have done so many times, and he will pay the price down the line. It's a shit situation, i've loved this era so much. I want this man to succeed.

Getting harder by the week to defend anything we're trying to do. I watched the Palace game in a pub with mates in Newcastle and it was a fucking dreadful watch. This has been no better, ultimately, the players look like they're not up for it and there's only so much a coach can do. He'll get the blame but these players need a fucking rocket up their arses like.

Leeds 2 up, second goal within a minute of the first

Leeds 1 up, quality overhead kick

Aye the umbrellas were at the back of the Leazes as I recall. 83/84 was such a mad season. I recall Boro at home on my 13th birthday and the home games near the end against Derby, Carlisle and Brighton, that attack just murdered them. 92/93 was the first season I had a season ticket, Milburn paddock. Cost 127 quid, different days

That's the one where Keegan scores twice and you can see blokes in the leazes end jumping around celebrating while holding umbrellas

I wasn't sure I was recalling it correctly but if so, he scored from about 35 yards out Leazes end. Ridiculous goal.

Correct. Carr was the manager, Hill scored against us (was a lower league goal machine) and we took the lead again a minute later. Preston dispatched comfortably then the craziness of Spurs in February. Unrepeatable days.

Hoddle scored a worldy in that game, remember it being boiling hot as well

Midweek night game for definite, recall it well. Preston was a Saturday game.

Same "Yellows...Yellows" Seemed like 75% of lower league teams played away in yellow back then

Brilliant

Was that the game that finished a draw with the replay being the Trelford Mills game?

Quite a few things went on with both of those sets of fans in that era, Farmers Rest in 86ish springs to mind

I didn't enjoy nearly dying a couple of times, or coming within inches of getting kicked to fuck by a large group of Man Utd fans at Kings Cross (they played Chelsea that day) either, but...it was exhilarating as a young kid

First game was Cardiff home in the 83/84 promotion season. Know we won 3-1, can barely remember a thing about it. Started going to away games in 84/85, rarely missed a home game 84-98 when I moved abroad. If I had to pick one game that summed up the typical match-going experience of the 80s, for me it would be Spurs away in the FA cup, February 87. For anyone that was there, no explanation needed. I went as a wide-eyed 15 year old and was never quite the same afterwards. That game summed up the way the average fan was treated and the dangers you faced on an almost weekly basis, exaggerated by it being a big cup game but still. Mayhem before, during and after, weak and vicious policing, danger around every corner and nearly asphyxiated in the away end until I got on top of the barriers where I stood for 75% of the game. A Hillsborough waiting to happen, that we somehow survived. Beaten 1-0 to a shit non-penalty scored by Clive Allen. A microcosm of the 80s match-going Toon fan.

Absolute cinema that.

If you don't care about competence in the GK and defensive positions, this is heaven on a pitch. PL like watching paint dry in comparision.

What am I even watching here, kinell