Unbelievable

Cabella!

This is getting out of hand. His public utterances are somehow worse than Pardew's

We went from Keegan walking out of his dream job when it turned out he didn't have final say to this idiot saying he wouldn't even care who comes in or who goes out. We might as well give up, Mike has won.

Name this huge list please, mind you I agree with the notion we could have done. But it's very rare that a manager leaves one club in the middle of the season for another. Spurs went with Sherwood for a reason, most clubs don't make permanent appointments in the middle of a season and if they do they get managers who are out of work. Which is why we shouldn't have f***ed up with Garde, but please can we stop acting like it's a normal thing in a blind crusade against the club. I don't want to sound like this, because I hate these assholes but at least try to be level headed for once. Are you seriously suggesting it is uncommon for Premier League clubs to appoint an actual football manager midseason? Every season a significant number of PL managers gets sacked, resign or are poached, and most of the time these club waste no time finding a suitable replacement because they understand the importance of having an actual manager rather than a glorified coach/yes man. These appointments don’t always work out obviously, but there is absolutely no guarantee that waiting until the end of the season will work out better for us in the long run as Charnley would have you believe. That’s if you even believe that we have deferred the decision to appoint a new manager because we want to wait for our preferred candidates to become available in the summer, which I don’t. What this whole charade is, is just Mike Ashley re-inventing the sport again as he did when he gave Pardew and his staff 8 year deals in the name of stability. It’s gambling that Carver has enough about him to keep us up, not just this season but over the course of a season. If he does, the job is his. The last thing Mike Ashley wants is a powerful manager who will put pressure on him to invest even what the club earns itself in a bid to move the club forward. If he can get away with not appointing a manager (“head coach”) at all, what makes you think he won’t? Who are these great managers that have been brought-in mid-season over the past few years? Pochettino is really the only one who stands out. Maybe Garry Monk at a stretch. Doesn't make sense to include Benitez, because only at Chelsea would he have been considered the expensive stop gap that he was and only a few clubs would be able to attract him mid-season. Carver's a disappointing hire and a cop out. But let's not act like we're alone in hiring underwhelming mid-season replacements. Most quality managers aren't going to make the jump mid-season. There's too much risk involved. Who mentioned "great" or "quality" managers? If you think we are getting one of those in the summer you are seriously deluded. There were good managers available. Remi Garde was keen by all accounts. Tuchel could perhaps have been convinced if we were willing to negotiate with Mainz too. Put it this way, how many clubs in the Premier League do you know who have gone half a season without a manager to save a few pounds? Defending the indefensible here imo, and incredibly naive if you cannot see where this is headed. Could do without the patronizing, considering you know exactly as much as I do. Your intuition certainly isn't worth enough to toss terms like "deluded" or "naive" at me. You have exactly as much chance of being proved incorrect as I do. By all accounts, those managers also had reservations about taking the job now. Garde and Tuchel are both taking a sabbatical, that's been well-established numerous times. de Boer, Galtier, and McClaren are all doing well with their respective clubs. Taking a step back and appraising the situation objectively, would you leave a club in contention to join a mid-table Newcastle United in mid-season? If you're Garde or Tuchel and allegedly have your sights set on bigger things, why would you rush into a club where you're under pressure to produce results immediately with players you've never worked with? Why not wait until summer, when you can come in and have several months to get a feel for your squad before the season begins? I don't like Carver being in the position any more than you do, but I've said in the past that I'll withstand a half-season of Carver if it means we get a good manager/head coach (semantics, btw) in the summer. And I'll take that over hiring a Tony Pulis or Tim Sherwood to step in immediately. I don't believe Carver will see us relegated nor do I believe the club sees him as a long-term candidate. And he doesn't nearly have the support, record, or contractual obligations that Pardew could wield against them. If summer comes and they pull a 180 by giving Carver the full-time gig, well, shame on me. But I'm willing to let this play out until then. Cue the "regime apologist" drivel. Apologies if that came across as condescending Deuce, but I'm properly gobsmacked about your opinion on this matter. Intuition? Really!? It's like the past 7.5 years never happened. If you don't think John Carver getting the job permanently in the summer is a very realistic proposition under Mike Ashley I don't have any kinder way of expressing that as being 'naive'. Would a manager in contention or on a "sabbitical" join a "midtable" club like Newcastle in midseason? I don't see why not. Money talks, and we are still a big club in one of the biggest leagues in the world. I don't believe for a second that other, similar size clubs would have had any trouble luring a proper manager. Of course, they would have been prepared to pay what it costs to get a good manager in the first place and make it an attractive proposition by allowing them to put their stamp on the squad, which are things that are far more likely to cause a major problem in tempting the level of candidate you seem to think we will attract in a few months time than any lack of intrinsic interest in joining a club of our stature in midseason. To suggest any new manager would have been under huge pressure to get results right from the off is drivel too. The vast majority of fans would have understood this second half of the season was a period of getting to know the squad and preparing for the summer transfer window. As it is, we will probably spend all summer with uncertainty about the manager situation paralysing everything at the club, players wanting away etc. As ever with Ashley, when he has a decision to make that could potentially take the club forward, prepare for the worst.

Name this huge list please, mind you I agree with the notion we could have done. But it's very rare that a manager leaves one club in the middle of the season for another. Spurs went with Sherwood for a reason, most clubs don't make permanent appointments in the middle of a season and if they do they get managers who are out of work. Which is why we shouldn't have f***ed up with Garde, but please can we stop acting like it's a normal thing in a blind crusade against the club. I don't want to sound like this, because I hate these assholes but at least try to be level headed for once. Are you seriously suggesting it is uncommon for Premier League clubs to appoint an actual football manager midseason? Every season a significant number of PL managers gets sacked, resign or are poached, and most of the time these club waste no time finding a suitable replacement because they understand the importance of having an actual manager rather than a glorified coach/yes man. These appointments don’t always work out obviously, but there is absolutely no guarantee that waiting until the end of the season will work out better for us in the long run as Charnley would have you believe. That’s if you even believe that we have deferred the decision to appoint a new manager because we want to wait for our preferred candidates to become available in the summer, which I don’t. What this whole charade is, is just Mike Ashley re-inventing the sport again as he did when he gave Pardew and his staff 8 year deals in the name of stability. It’s gambling that Carver has enough about him to keep us up, not just this season but over the course of a season. If he does, the job is his. The last thing Mike Ashley wants is a powerful manager who will put pressure on him to invest even what the club earns itself in a bid to move the club forward. If he can get away with not appointing a manager (“head coach”) at all, what makes you think he won’t? Who are these great managers that have been brought-in mid-season over the past few years? Pochettino is really the only one who stands out. Maybe Garry Monk at a stretch. Doesn't make sense to include Benitez, because only at Chelsea would he have been considered the expensive stop gap that he was and only a few clubs would be able to attract him mid-season. Carver's a disappointing hire and a cop out. But let's not act like we're alone in hiring underwhelming mid-season replacements. Most quality managers aren't going to make the jump mid-season. There's too much risk involved. Who mentioned "great" or "quality" managers? If you think we are getting one of those in the summer you are seriously deluded. There were good managers available. Remi Garde was keen by all accounts. Tuchel could perhaps have been convinced if we were willing to negotiate with Mainz too. Put it this way, how many clubs in the Premier League do you know who have gone half a season without a manager to save a few pounds? Defending the indefensible here imo, and incredibly naive if you cannot see where this is headed.

Name this huge list please, mind you I agree with the notion we could have done. But it's very rare that a manager leaves one club in the middle of the season for another. Spurs went with Sherwood for a reason, most clubs don't make permanent appointments in the middle of a season and if they do they get managers who are out of work. Which is why we shouldn't have f***ed up with Garde, but please can we stop acting like it's a normal thing in a blind crusade against the club. I don't want to sound like this, because I hate these assholes but at least try to be level headed for once. Are you seriously suggesting it is uncommon for Premier League clubs to appoint an actual football manager midseason? Every season a significant number of PL managers gets sacked, resign or are poached, and most of the time these club waste no time finding a suitable replacement because they understand the importance of having an actual manager rather than a glorified coach/yes man. These appointments don’t always work out obviously, but there is absolutely no guarantee that waiting until the end of the season will work out better for us in the long run as Charnley would have you believe. That’s if you even believe that we have deferred the decision to appoint a new manager because we want to wait for our preferred candidates to become available in the summer, which I don’t. What this whole charade is, is just Mike Ashley re-inventing the sport again as he did when he gave Pardew and his staff 8 year deals in the name of stability. It’s gambling that Carver has enough about him to keep us up, not just this season but over the course of a season. If he does, the job is his. The last thing Mike Ashley wants is a powerful manager who will put pressure on him to invest even what the club earns itself in a bid to move the club forward. If he can get away with not appointing a manager (“head coach”) at all, what makes you think he won’t?

I can't get my head around people saying we couldn't have got a good manager mid season. Many other clubs manage to do it, we just didn't want to shell out for it. Huge difference.

Means jack shit for us unfortunately apart from, as you say, we are even less of a priority.

100% Worked a treat too. So many fans now assume he is ready to sell up in 2016, while all he's effectively said is he'll definitely NOT sell before then.

Season wasn't f***ed 3 weeks ago though, make an effort then and we're in with a chance of European football next season. Then you got the fact that any new manager would have benefited hugely from having half a season to get to know the club and players.

He "had to think about it" if offered the job until the end of the season. I bet it took a lot of contemplation.

Bullshit. A couple more bad results in the upcoming weeks and we are right in the relegation fight. Have you seen our fixture list for March and April? I can see us sitting in the bottom three with 5 games to go. Anyway, this decision will likely cost Ashley millions in TV revenue even if we don't get relegated. It's a completely idiotic decision anyway you look at it.

Could very well be that they're holding out for the likes of Tuchel, Garde, or Galtier, all of whom have reservations about taking charge now.

What a fucking pisstake *sigh*

I don't think they're actively working on a replacement anymore. Following Charnley's interview they will just leave it until the summer, and they won't even bother announcing Carver's got it, until the end of the season or otherwise. We'll just happily go from game to game in limbo while we drop down the league table.

Of course it was a matter of money, Palace had to pay the money before they were allowed to talk to him which is something we look like we would never do. If we are after a manager we should contact the managers club, de Boer for instance is out of contract at the end of the season so probably wouldn't cost much. If we made the right offer to his club we would almost certainly be allowed to talk to him, not that we have the ambition to do that. Contract runs until 2017 actually, another reason why we will never get De Boer.

Yes

Aye, Labbadia. Bild just make up a load of s****, wouldn't trust any of their articles. They didn't. They said there had been contact twice.

I haven't been in this thread for ages, well since Shola left really. What's happening?

Good piece that. Glad the media are taking notice of our 'designed' underachievement and questioning Ashley's ownership of the club a bit more lately.

What a pisstake. Mike Ashley might be prepared to fund a few sensible moves in the summer. The fat cunt is sitting on 100m profit generated by the club itself, which could have been more if he had the decency to pay a normal fee for his SD advertising all over SJP. Just f*** off you f***ing leach.

If De Boer actually said that in reply to the suggestion of coming to us that is fairly promising

Did he actually mention us? Wasn't in the quotes they put out earlier, just that he would like to manage in England, Spain or Germany...