Dr Venkman

Wacko- I'm not gonna start a quote tree,but did you miss the bit where I said 'making an issue' of someone's skin colour? Is Evra a black man? Yes. Is there any context in which this should be brought up on a football pitch? No. It's you that's absolutely wrong. There is no reason for Suarez to be mentioning it,unless you're gonna tell me they were having a debate on race? I understand what you're getting at and I do happen to think that 'being offended' is a state that people all to quickly fall into these days,but there's no excuse for bringing it up in this case,my friend of skin colour unknown.

Couldn't agree more

There's some really good Gazza/Bobby stuff on the DVD about Bobby, A Knight to Remember it's called. The story about Bobby preparing them for the Germany game in 1990 is brilliant

Aye. I think we'll line up like that, assuming Obertan/Tiote aren't available and Best is. Would certainly rather see Santon played in his proper position and Raylor in what is (supposedly) his proper position in right midfield. There's no way Pardew will unsettle the defence, and rightly so in my opinion. Agree with this although I was pushing for Santon at left back,we've got a settled defence for once,keep it going if possible

Cheeky cunt. Ridiculous isn't he

Nah man They're in with a chance of starting. hope that's what he means, can't really blame me for thinking it could be either

so Ben Arfa and Gosling are doubtful now as well? sakes

If he's a risk for city I agree with leaving him out as we've got a real chance of results against man u and Chelsea with him playing

Bugger. Pardew should re-evaluate not playing HBA wide if it comes to playing guthrie/gosling/sammy out there. He's got much more to offer.

Shit

Imagine HBA's troll face if he scores the winner.

I think as far as evidence goes, it's very much Evra's word against Suarez's. That said, Suarez doesn't deny that he used Spanish N-words to Evra; he denies that they are racist or offensive (which is realistically the case). http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/16/luis-suarez-liverpool-fa-racism I've no idea how well Evra understands Spanish. He will certainly have got the gist of anything Suarez said, but it's unlikely that he's familiar with the nuances of South American Spanish. I think the most probable truth of it is that Suarez used a word or words that Uruguayans don't consider to have racial connotations, which Evra, for lack of familiarity with idiomatic Uruguayan, understood as racist. If that is the case (and you are not generally anti-"banter"), I think the worst you can accuse Suarez of is a poor choice of words (or perfect choice of words, depending on your attitude to him). You can't go around punishing people for using words that sound like bad words. Especially foreign words that sound like bad words in a different language. Huuuuuge can of worms. what on earth are you talking about? Racism is about making an issue of someone's skin colour/ethnic origin/other things. Suarez had no need to mention it at all on a football pitch.

the way this thread has gone is a good example of one of the worst things about this board, when people without wit attempt to be funny.

Sammy would be daft to sign for any longer tbh considering the wages will be pretty modest

Biggest cheat in the league,if he's found guilty I hope he's made an example of

Eh? Has he nicked your parking space like or is someone classed as a prick for being a boring pundit?

I've seen him track a player in possession and prevent them from playing an easy pass every time he's played,but I suppose it's not Alan smith throwing himself at the ball with no thought whatsoever so to some it might not look like defending.

Means nothing if it doesn't bring any money in.

Excellent news,for the two games after as well as this.

it's clear you can think for yourself and quite frankly i'm intimidated by your stunning intellect and obviously gargantuan penis. can you give me any tips on how to construct sentences?

Don't forget the grey collar and cuffs

a sponsor on a shirt and changing the name of a stand is COMPLETELY different to changing the name of a local landmark though

bit sad to see a usually good poster jump on the contrary for the sake of it band wagon. we're being drowned in devil's advocates.

We're not called 'Northern Rock', based on what's on our strip. Are we? we're not called sports direct FC either. no-one complained when the stands were re named. No, but the stadium will be referred to as 'Sports Direct Arena', on TV and in the media. That's my point, which you knew, of course. but the people that matter will still call it SJP. unfortunatly the people that matter, if they want to wear the clubs colours have to advertise some other company. I don't know what you're getting at. Do you just want an argument? Because I can't be arsed. nope, just pointing out apparent double standards as i honestly can't see why one is seen as terrible and the other tolerated if not encouraged. It's a bloody terrible analogy,you're comparing micro details to macro details. it's more a question of being honest. the name change will actually have less effect than the shirt sponsorship. think match days. no-one outside the media will use the name, you don't say in the pub "what time are we going up to St James' park ?" but you can't help but notice the sponsorship on every single top. the only thing with the shirt sponsorship is that A) people have become accustomed to it, and B) we weren't the first major club to do it. honesty? being honest about your own subjective opinion you mean? your whole post is based on the assumption that everyone's annoyance with the name change is based on how many times they might hear or speak the name of the stadium. mine certainly isn't, it's based on the fact that the name of the stadium has been officially changed, that's bad enough for me to hate it no matter how many times i have to hear or speak it. we allowed shirt sponsorship, we changed the names of parts of the ground with barely a whimper , we were quite happy to ditch the history and tradition and move,yet now people are up in arms over this ? my guess is that had fred done it in the months after signing shearer there wouldn't have been this resistance. In my opinion putting sponsors on a shirt and renaming stands within the stadium is not analogous to renaming the stadium as a whole, being a historic landmark of the city. Hence the reaction of people who aren't particularly interested in football, who don't care what the stands are called. Stands only had names as a function of the stadium existing anyway, the stadium is it's own entity made up of individual stands, the two aren't the same.

Alan Traore