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Wigan's relegation confirmed as appeal fails https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53649840

You said something similar in response to my comment, and it just doesn't make sense to me. Why was the PL obliged to reject the decision? The argument that they were giving the consortium time to resolve their application is legally sound. There's someone here who clings to the notion that a decision was mandated to be made within five business days, and your response makes me wonder if it's you? If so, could you please provide a source for this notion? I've been trying to get across the legal aspects of the takeover, and I haven't been able to find that... Because it's clear that they had reached an impasse, from what Staveley has said it seems that they requested that a decision be made and the PL refused to make a decision or even give a timescale. The timescale in the PL's rules is five working days. The rules are silent on what happens if that timescale isn't met (I know of at least one similar situation in acts of government I work with in my professional life, and that makes the the timescale meaningless to some extent) so it probably holds little weight, but there is a timescale of five working days. Set against that I could see a case being made that the PL have acted unreasonable in not making a decision when requested to do so, particularly as it has denied access to the appeal process. So, that was my question. Where are you getting that from? I haven't seen anyone else say it

Problem there is that you can't make a deal contingent on something not legal. Which is why Staveley's quotes can't be taken at face value. What were the exact quotes, anyway? EDIT "Country" in that context clearly means government, and is confirmed in the second sentence

You said something similar in response to my comment, and it just doesn't make sense to me. Why was the PL obliged to reject the decision? The argument that they were giving the consortium time to resolve their application is legally sound. There's someone here who clings to the notion that a decision was mandated to be made within five business days, and your response makes me wonder if it's you? If so, could you please provide a source for this notion? I've been trying to get across the legal aspects of the takeover, and I haven't been able to find that...

More precisely it’s the whole SA that is subject to the test. Now let’s think, how to prove that “a country” can pass all the requirements? A country? Everyone in SA? No, it’s just the owners of the PIF, the whole country doesn’t own the PIF. There will be trustees that PIF are putting forward but in reality the rulers will own the PIF. So who is it? And why are these people not prepared to take the test. I just don’t know why it took so long to get to that single question. Staveley said PL request to put SA as the director, not just the owner of the PIF. That means SA is subject to the test. You got it wrong Staveley is talking bullshit there though. That’s not possible. She means the government not the whole of SA. That would be and easy win if that is indeed what they said, which they wouldn’t. The directors of the PIF are not the controllers, the SA public are not the controllers. Who pulls the strings? They’ve maintained all along that PIF are a separate entity. As soon as others are brought in to the test it goes against that stance. However, the PL are not in a position to decide who is classed a director or not. But they *are* entitled to test everyone they believe exerts control over the club. And if they feel that a controlling agent has greater powers than a director, then they can request that agent be appointed a director. They can also retaliate if that request is not granted.

Who? Sees Sunderland feature in the Australian media for the first time I can remember since their PL relegation https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/socceroos-defender-wright-joins-sunderland-in-permanent-deal He’s been decent for Australia, but 24 caps at 28 for a shite country like ours tells it’s own story.

It’s hardly the “Bale and Coutinho” levels of signings many were talking about

Yeah, but someone needs shooting for adding those wages to the books in the first place. £560 k/w. My maths has that as £92.4 million over three years. For Alex Sanchez...

He’s not that type of bloke.

Fucking awesome - Danny Rose doesn’t want to move here permanently. After being hacked off with Mourinho, and carrying on about his love for the north. Good times

There was a story in the Chron with his incredibly generic thoughts.

Neither PIF or the PL were ever going to budge. Which makes me wonder how and why Staveley was allegedly privately assured it would go through...?

I never claimed to be civil. I am frequently a cunt, hence my recognition of cuntery No, he didn’t. And maybe I will, maybe I won’t. But Greg’s too decent a guy to call you out for what you’re doing, so I will.

Turns out it was "sit down and shut up" then. No wonder they didn't want to release the response at the time. Releasing it had nothing to do with the content of the response as we've explained countless times. We never hid the fact is was a basic acknowledgment. Absolute rubbish this mind, there's nothing in that letter or response that warranted withholding it from their members once the reply was received. As it has been since they first started out NUST is all about creating a perception that they are in the loop and involved way more than they really are, no better example than this one. I was a member early on but quickly realised my mistake. They've written a letter to the Premier League been ignored / got a holding letter back, and then announced that "they've had a response". Absolute jokers. This couldn't be further from the truth. What did it achieve? What came of the instruction of your legal counsel ultimately? Are you a Member of the Trust? If you are (I don't think you are) and have concerns in this regard you should email [email protected]. Question dodged I've already explained I used to be a member but packed it in. If you took the time to read what I posted rather than just react blindly to criticism you'd have seen that. At the end of the day the Trust went to all of the trouble of instructing legal counsel and got the exact same stock answer as everyone else, which was entirely predictable. If you were a Member you would have received a detailed explanation as to why the letters were not released until now. The overwhelming majority understand that position. You're stilll avoiding the question, so we're done here now. Don’t know how you deal so civilly with people determined to be cunts.

Yep. If they do proceed with a bid for Milan, I guess we'll find out if we were all just paranoid that everyone wanted to prevent NUFC moving upwards, and we should see similar actions/efforts towards Milan from Hatice, and Amnesty Int'l, etc. Wasn’t there some sort of shenanigans regarding Serie A broadcasts, too? Spicy...

Turns out it was "sit down and shut up" then. No wonder they didn't want to release the response at the time. Releasing it had nothing to do with the content of the response as we've explained countless times. We never hid the fact is was a basic acknowledgment. Absolute rubbish this mind, there's nothing in that letter or response that warranted withholding it from their members once the reply was received. As it has been since they first started out NUST is all about creating a perception that they are in the loop and involved way more than they really are, no better example than this one. I was a member early on but quickly realised my mistake. They've written a letter to the Premier League been ignored / got a holding letter back, and then announced that "they've had a response". Absolute jokers. Well, their lawyers, who helped draft the letter, advised them that releasing the initial letter might have negatively impacted on the process. You’re not suggesting they go against their legal advice, are you?

Wasn’t the last time Juventus failed to win the Serie A when they were in Serie B because of calciopoli?

Bold to predict we’ve heard the last of PCP - Staveley will be scrounging for new investors already. PIF are gone and gone, probably from English football for the foreseeable. It’s easy to imagine them buying an Italian or Spanish club, or even Marseille or Lyon to crush the everloving shit out of PSG.

His whole attitude towards Mauriss reeks of a man who has received the first tip of his professional career, and he’s clinging to it in the hopes he can one day say “I told you so”.

Thank you, kind sir. That is as lush as it looked on FB

Exactly where I’m at

I’m out at the moment so I can’t post it myself, but it would bring us all a little joy if someone could post pics of the new Barca black away kit...

We’re also not (quite) as shite as many make out. We get results we have no right getting. And as much as it sticks in my craw, Bruce has evidently created a decent atmosphere. Absolutely Villa, Fulham, WBA and Brentford would be at shorter odds than us to go down. West Ham are a basket case. Bumbling our way to safety is by no means assured, but neither is it impossible.

Adam Armstrong We absolutely would not pay what Armstrong would cost

I’d love to join in with a bold 10, but as someone earlier suggested - as shite as our squad is, as shite as our manager is, as shite as our facilities and support and scouting are - there are probably going to be three worse teams than us again next year. 17th is probable. Zombie club stumbles onward...