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Garth Crooks can fuck off.

all us but they could break.. knifes edge tbh. will end up 1-1. Thanks

Damn you Dave. 1 Second.

Yak hatrick for the Toffees'

Who is the most likely to win this lads?

.............and he was a lazy fuck who scored from every dead ball in 50. Rose tinted glasses I think.

Rather have Brown. Yeah - me too. Everytime. The only worry with Brown is his history of injuries. I'd defo take a chance on him. Utter quality. Is his injury record that bad? I've just looked it up and including appearances off the bench he's averaged 21 games a season since his debut in 1996. He's 28 and only has 14 international caps. I wouldn't have thought the lack of appearances is anything to do with his ability. Like I said, I really rate him and think he'd be quality but if he's sitting next to Baba for half the season then there's no point.

Rather have Brown. Yeah - me too. Everytime. The only worry with Brown is his history of injuries. I'd defo take a chance on him. Utter quality.

I've gone with two different bets today; Newcastle & Liverpool double. £10 returns about £30. Newcastle & Bristol City double. £10 returns £47.50 So. C'Mon on the Toon!

Happily staked £20 on this What odds did you get out of interest?

She'll definitely not have any greenhouse windows left with Shola nearby.

Not sure who he was ever adopted by? Most people would've happily let him fuck back off to South Africa. He'll see a St James' Park welcome when he's next playing in the Premiership.......Oh...........wait.

We defo went in for Silvestre (who Man Utd were willing to sell) but we may have enquired about Brown too and been knocked back.

Yes. Originally.

They've just confirmed that there is a players committee, headed up by Geremi, where issues are constructively discussed with Sam. There is no issue and the press are mischief making. Both Given & Harper signed off the statement, and said it needed to be made by them as the two longest servers at the club. Good news.

Given & Harper statement being read out on SSN right now. Saying it's all bollocks.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Big wages, big egos, they've had it far too easy for years. I'm firmly behind Sam on this one.

Only if the manager isn't good enough. Yes, he's better than Roeder or Souness. Yes, we need to show consistency and stick with a manager. But only the RIGHT manager. As fans, there seems to be soem fucking stupid idea that anyone who wears balck and white, or manages the club, deserves no criticism, and is automatically top class. THEY AREN'T. And at the moment, there is a lot of criticism being justified of a number of players who are mid table quality at best, and a manager who is patently out of his depth. I heard last night on Sky Fat Sam saying "its judged over 38 games not 14"......this follows his made-up stat about the best 10 game start ever, or soemthing stupid......and you're wrong, Sam - the SEASON is judged over 38 games. But a team and a manger are judged on a rolling basis on performance. And yours has been shite. I'd like to know if he will resign if/when we are still 10/11th at 38 games. He's spent £25m, played HIS tactics, etc. But of course he won't. I can't blame him, if i got paid loads of money to do a job i wasn't up to, i'd milk it as well. But that doesn't make him any less full of shit. Whats his net spend though? and weren't the sales needed for the good of the dressing room? I think we've got to got through the pain barrier to get better. He might never play pretty football but he might make us a far more effective outfit next year if we stick with him. I don't believe anybody will walk into the club and have us playing well within 15 games, winning games, entertaining the public and have the press lauding over him. We've got to give him time for the long term good of the club and the good of it's short term reputation. Fact is, i don't think he is up to it long term, full stop. He's not a manager who needs time to bed into the Premiership, neither are some of his signings. We NEED to get a really good manager in. Sticking with one who is not good enough will do NOTHING for our reputation, as we will be for even longer a mid table club. And his net soend is irrelevant - he has bough players to the tune of £25m, and they haven't been good enough. Like him. But, if we beet Brum, and maybe one other team over the next 5 games, we'll paper over the cracks, pretend he's good enough, and stick our heads in the sand whenever we look at the league table, making excuse after excuse for the sgite we produce.* * That wasn't meant to sound like a line from a kids book, that last bit, but it reads that way, very rythmic. Spitting some lyrics there Monkey. Surely 'papering over the cracks' is exactly what we're not doing at the club for the first time in fucking ages? I think it's gotta be accepted that the first team squad is the priority in buying Allardyce time but it shouldn't be underestimated the work he will do for the club as a whole. To me, he's about ripping off the paper and re-plastering the wall, not papering over the cracks. He's even said himself it's a 5 year job. We need continuity, we need a full structural review across the entire club and we need to make sustainable change. As a result of this we can't expect immediate results. Lets be patient.

Get them all in a small room and then suddenly without warning shoot one in the head at point blank range (ideally Carr) so the blood spatter hits the others. Then discuss the christmas team schedule after. Just don't shoot poor Celestine. I can just imagine him turning up at the pearly gates "What now Baba?...for fucks sake it was only an air rifle.

Only if the manager isn't good enough. Yes, he's better than Roeder or Souness. Yes, we need to show consistency and stick with a manager. But only the RIGHT manager. As fans, there seems to be soem fucking stupid idea that anyone who wears balck and white, or manages the club, deserves no criticism, and is automatically top class. THEY AREN'T. And at the moment, there is a lot of criticism being justified of a number of players who are mid table quality at best, and a manager who is patently out of his depth. I heard last night on Sky Fat Sam saying "its judged over 38 games not 14"......this follows his made-up stat about the best 10 game start ever, or soemthing stupid......and you're wrong, Sam - the SEASON is judged over 38 games. But a team and a manger are judged on a rolling basis on performance. And yours has been shite. I'd like to know if he will resign if/when we are still 10/11th at 38 games. He's spent £25m, played HIS tactics, etc. But of course he won't. I can't blame him, if i got paid loads of money to do a job i wasn't up to, i'd milk it as well. But that doesn't make him any less full of shit. Whats his net spend though? and weren't the sales needed for the good of the dressing room? I think we've got to got through the pain barrier to get better. He might never play pretty football but he might make us a far more effective outfit next year if we stick with him. I don't believe anybody will walk into the club and have us playing well within 15 games, winning games, entertaining the public and have the press lauding over him. We've got to give him time for the long term good of the club and the good of it's short term reputation.

I quite like the fact he's come out in the open and not tried to hide the fact there's players unhappy. Having said that, if Souness had of I would have been slating him. Maybe it's because I hope Allardyce has got more about him and can actually positively motivate the players as well as fall out with them. One thing is for certain, the first team squad has needed a culture change for a long time and it needs somebody to stand up and let players know what is and isn't acceptable. They're playing games with him now to see how far he can be pushed. I imagine they did the same with Roeder and he bottled it. Its like 2/3 year olds pushing their parents to see what they can get away with. Flog a few Sam, that'll show them. Even better, release them if nobody is interested. See ya Baba.

Thats top class. More please. EDIT - More communication, not tickets!

FYP.

What other foreign managers are there with Prem experience? Jean Tigana? Ruud Gullit...........or maybe not.

Aye Sorry about the Jol and Venables examples lads - but they are just that. Names to give people an idea of what was in my mind when setting up the poll. Again, don't take the examples of Managers as actual 'votes for individuals' they are just there to provide examples of 'managerial types'. Ta.