Ronaldo

No player that I remember has ever divided opinion like this, but a lot of people posting in this thread just dont like the guy tbh. I know some will counter with the arguement about me disliking Owen, but Owen has never felt like an nufc player to me and I see that as pretty unforgivable given his wages and status in the team.

Add Guthrie to that list and I'm with you, but be realistic man, we would be lucky to keep one of them let alone all. Bassong and Oba are saleable assets, even if we dont want to sell them there are little guarentees they will stay if an offer comes along. Guthrie isn't a big name/high value asset, which is what i was getting at. But yes, he's one of the 5/6 we absolutely must keep

How many assists has he got then? those 3 seasons .. i bet that figure is pathetic looking. 10 according to espn, which is 9 more than Owen incidentally

Oba, Beye and Bassong are the 3 i'd love to keep. If and when the rest of the big names are sold/leave i'll celebrate like we've just signed Ronaldo

it isn't good. But when you bring the ACN into account along with his injury problems this season it isn't THAT bad.

he's scored 17, 9 and 8 in 3 seasons 34 goals is better than 1 in 3, not that bad for a striker not considered an out and out goalscorer

Martins has more than 28 goals for us mate. I think it's 34 or 35

1 in 8 (f you include the city game) or 4 in 10, we can both spin it whichever way we want tbh The argument is getting very old and he's gone. I just hope that in 4 years time we aren't having the same arguments about his replacement. Time to look to the future, be it Beckford or whoever

what a f***ing laughable post. he is on £70k, a wage i doubt no other club will offer, no wonder he wants to stay. we need to get rid of the dross at this club who are burning a hole in the clubs pocket. he has done nothing, absolutley f***ing nothing to justify his wage packet. i f***ing hate the c***. keeping us up in 06-07 didn't justify it? He's been poor since his injury, and you hate him for it Talk about being a hypocrite. You hate Owen and the same can be said about him keeping us up in 07-08, as well as being poor since his injury at City. please correct me if i'm wrong but hadn't he only managed 1 in 8 before his injury at Man City? 29-11-2008 English Premier Middlesbro 0-0 Newcastle 0 06-12-2008 English Premier Newcastle 2-2 Stoke 2 14-12-2008 English Premier Portsmouth 0-3 Newcastle 1 21-12-2008 English Premier Newcastle 2-1 Tottenham 0 26-12-2008 English Premier Wigan 2-1 Newcastle 0 28-12-2008 English Premier Newcastle 1-5 Liverpool 0 10-01-2009 English Premier Newcastle 2-2 West Ham 1 17-01-2009 English Premier Blackburn 3-0 Newcastle 0 4 in 8. you're missing out the games against Hull in the cup there, but fair enough

what a f***ing laughable post. he is on £70k, a wage i doubt no other club will offer, no wonder he wants to stay. we need to get rid of the dross at this club who are burning a hole in the clubs pocket. he has done nothing, absolutley f***ing nothing to justify his wage packet. i f***ing hate the c***. keeping us up in 06-07 didn't justify it? He's been poor since his injury, and you hate him for it Talk about being a hypocrite. You hate Owen and the same can be said about him keeping us up in 07-08, as well as being poor since his injury at City. please correct me if i'm wrong but hadn't he only managed 1 in 8 before his injury at Man City?

The difference between Owen and Martins (imo) is that one never fulfilled his job description when here and the other one at least made a good stab of it. Owen was bought as a goal-scorer and didn't do consistently. Seriously, why even bother bringing Owen into the argument, he's fucked us all over and laughing about it. He's gone and I for one would agree with a permanent IP ban for the next person to mention his name on this board after June

and you were in the toilets with Otter when Martins scored his 6 goals in 12?

You didn't take it in yet you based your entire counter-argument on it? You dont like him, fair enough but saying he was s**** all season is bloody ridiculous and I doubt you even saw the games based on that

I didn't avoid anything, if you look at the first post on the page (that you even quoted ) you'll see that I acknowledged he was poor post December

You said he was poor ALL season, make up your mind. He clearly wasn't at full-fitness and it was alluded to several times that an operation had been postponed so he could play through the pain barrier

so 6 goals in 12 (prior to the injury) is poor? as for the rest of the arguement

Yeah we'd have gone down by 2 or 3 points instead You cant really argue that Shearer improved us overall, we looked more solid defensively but never genuinely looked like winning a game, Boro could have easily gone the other way. I'll be glad if Shearer becomes our manager but at the same time we only scored in 2 out of 8 games under Shearer. In 5 of those games a single goal would have won us a point or all 3.

what a f***ing laughable post. he is on £70k, a wage i doubt no other club will offer, no wonder he wants to stay. we need to get rid of the dross at this club who are burning a hole in the clubs pocket. he has done nothing, absolutley f***ing nothing to justify his wage packet. i f***ing hate the c***. keeping us up in 06-07 didn't justify it? He's been poor since his injury, and you hate him for it

What's that based on? He's said it often enough, he doesn't have to Don't be fooled by empty footballers spiel. His performances and work rate this season will tell you he doesn't give a toss about the club. How do you explain the 1 in 2 goal rate before his injury then? Out of sheer curiosity Didn't Owen have the same goal ratio? Its absolutely stupid to keep Martins. He loves the club? Yeah right, any offer comes in with similar wages and he'll be off as quick as anyone. We'd be paying 70k a week for someone who probably wouldn't even be top scorer in the Championship. Idiotic. Owen finished the season with a league goal ratio inferior to Martins'. Take away Owen's penalty against Blackburn and he actually scored less. Consider the fact that Beyond Decemeber Martins really shouldn't have been playing and it paints a pretty damning picture. A fully-fit Martins would terrorise the championship man, surely even the haters can see that

What's that based on? He's said it often enough, he doesn't have to Don't be fooled by empty footballers spiel. His performances and work rate this season will tell you he doesn't give a toss about the club. How do you explain the 1 in 2 goal rate before his injury then? Out of sheer curiosity

Why? Solano been quoted today that he want to be a coach here. I think he will do alright. Good on set pieces, technique and other skills. And if he have Spanish speaking players, he will be a help for them. You cant really teach skill, not after the player has hit 18. I saw no evidence of him having the personality to be a coach either

What's that based on? He's said it often enough, he doesn't have to

If we're picking old players for coaches then Gary Speed must surely be a better option than Solano

Same for me, i ordered a new copy of the entertainers 93-94 season a while back. It arrived the day before Villa away

He's less effective than Coloccini? (Bassong i'll give you)