Ronaldo

I don't expect any credit. Actually that's a lie, I most certainly do. I think it's a little lazy of you to use players like Aguero and Duncan Ferguson as examples of strikers at certain points in time. They represent two extremes, both of which have always and will always exist.

Yes. It's called increased foreign presence. Not trying to sound dismissive, dude. I just can't be bothered to go into too much depth with this. But there were forwards of Tevez and Aguero's type in Shearer's day - they were just outside the PL. Messi is a force of nature that can't really compared to anyone, ever in terms of ability as far as I can see.

You're having a laugh, right? As I said, we're seeing a more diverse sample. Nowt's really changed; it's just changed places.

Perhaps, but he hardly had the same technical ability as modern day forwards - Tevez, Aguerro, Messi, etc. He was more like Drogba in that he was about determination and battling up alongside the defenders, using his strength and body to create space and gaps, rather than dropping into the pockets. They're hardly 'modern day forwards' like. They're 3 of the very best attacking players in the world - and their types were around during Shearer's peak. Well, I'll be happy to read your explanation in detail. Nowt to explain, really. We've seen an influx of more technical players in the last 15 years or so. Forwards aren't changing, we're just seeing a far more diverse sample in the PL.

That's the point, though. He's never been a good 'footballer'.

Perhaps, but he hardly had the same technical ability as modern day forwards - Tevez, Aguerro, Messi, etc. He was more like Drogba in that he was about determination and battling up alongside the defenders, using his strength and body to create space and gaps, rather than dropping into the pockets. They're hardly 'modern day forwards' like. They're 3 of the very best attacking players in the world - and their types were around during Shearer's peak.

I'm not sure you can pigeonhole Shearer like that. In his prime he was almost the complete forward. As for Adams, I remember him being great.

I don't blame you, lads. Everytime we won last season the stock of certain fan favourites went up, and there's no harm in that per se. It does lead to unreasonable expectations down the line, though.

I think this is Tiote's only "poor" season since he joined. Was great last year. We had great results. He wasn't great in any sense. Serious?

Colo and Cisse have been brilliant for years and Tiote's hanging off the back of his debut season. Jonas has never been on that level.

One or two usually means nobody or less. Fuck off.

I don't know where to start so I won't bother. Welcome to the forum; good first post.

No idea where you popped up from but that is a brilliant post Welcome to the forum. Was thinking the same, very good. Yeah, but Everton's success is largely built on one of the best managers in the game. We'll never attract anyone like Moyes while these bastards own/run NUFC.

I remember him making a tit of himself against City 2 years back and consequently we were 2-0 down after 5 minutes.

Two of the best performances I've seen in 20 years at SJP.

I'm not saying he's a disgrace per se, but his body just isn't up to football at this pace.

That's got to be league only as I'm sure he had one season where he played more than 40 games in total. It's still disgraceful. You've got to go back to 2008 for the last time he played half the season or more.

By who? A manager who hadn't done his research perhaps.

It was both.

N'Zogbia and Solano did fine in 2005-06.

We get it, dude.

It's been a big problem since we signed Jonas, actually.

Milner, N'Zogbia, Routledge: other clubs wanted them. That's why they're gone and he's still here.

They weren't terrific at all. They were OK. When we win - Jonas's workrate allows us to do so. When we lose - Jonas creates nothing. He benefits from good results far more than we benefit from him.

Ba creates nothing with his physique in fairness. He usually falls over when he goes shoulder to shoulder.