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Fine, you're right. His interview with Gibson made him sound a complete selfish curnt. Where did I say that? Harper will start next season as a first choice premier league keeper. He's never been in that position in his whole career. So relegation has been good for him in the long term. I'm sure Shay Given isn't looking back thinking "why did i leave?" just yet. The point was he was talking about the club as a whole maybe benefiting from the clearout following our drop, not his own career. I'm sure he's chuffed that Shay upped sticks, that said though, going by parts of that interview I think he feels he genuinly has a battle on his hands to hold off Krul and Foster. /It was really good to hear him speak about Foster like that (and gave even more credence to that Norwich fan in the other thread), glad he seems to think the club will do it's best to hold onto him too. Not "the" point, "your" point. "My" point was we all bring our own circumstances with us when we look at a situation. Does Harper see us as better off? It would seem so. Does Given? Probably not. Does Hughton? Probably. Keegan? Probably not. Ashley/Llambias? Definitley. Me, having seen us promoted last time around and in the Champions league several times over before starting our slow descent? Not yet. My little cousin who went to his first match in 2007 and has never seen us win so many games in his life? I'm afraid so. It's very much a personal thing whether you're happier at Newcastle now than you have been in the past. No, it was the point, not mine. The point being, has going down benefited us in any way. I have not even stated my feelings on the issue. nufc_geordie brought up that he felt the drop could have been necessary to see certain positive changes occur and got slagged to shit for it. It's a hard concept to come to terms with clearly, but here we have a senior player at the club saying that it may well have had some merit to it, that there have been some clear benefits, and that is quite significant. Again, Harper may well be jumping for joy that Given buggered off (though don't forget that that happened a good deal before we sunk into the chumps league), but I'd prefer to credit him with being able to recognise the big picture rather than be influenced by personal fortune on this issue, fair enough, you don't think that that is the case. As to your last bit. I too have been there pre and post the last Keegans promotion push, but I think you are again missing the point. Its not about being 'happier at Newcastle now than in the past' - for most of us there have been better times - it's simply about recognising that there may be silver linings to our latest fall and being happy to see them. nufc_geordie felt there was, and got hammered. Harper indicated that supporters like him might well have had a point, and surprise surprise he is getting the critical digs thrown his way now too. If you think I've had a dig at anyone anywhere quote it and I'll apologise. All I've done, I think, is say we all have our own opinions and we should consider where a point of view is coming from before accepting it as fact. If you refuse to accept that, fair enough but you quoted me initially, not the other way round, and you're telling me the point of our discussion. But I'm afraid that's not the point I was making when you quoted me.. Sorry, I just saw it as a bit of a dig at Harper by electing to believe that he was only seeing positives due to his own personal gain or as Diligaf feels, as simply self preservation, and not as he was stating, that there was were clear, if limited, good things to come out of relegation for the club as a whole. Of course I accept everyone has their own point of view on him, and any notion of silver linings after the disaster of last season. I wouldn't dig Harper. I like Harper....and Hughton. I'd hope they both keep saying how much better things are and how we're on the up. Far preferable to the misery of last season. I think you're right, he did mean the clubs position might be better, not just his own. I also know to filter the views I hear depending on perspective. The players would often sing the praises of Allardyce, Souness and Roeder too.

Fine, you're right. His interview with Gibson made him sound a complete selfish curnt. Where did I say that? Harper will start next season as a first choice premier league keeper. He's never been in that position in his whole career. So relegation has been good for him in the long term. I'm sure Shay Given isn't looking back thinking "why did i leave?" just yet. The point was he was talking about the club as a whole maybe benefiting from the clearout following our drop, not his own career. I'm sure he's chuffed that Shay upped sticks, that said though, going by parts of that interview I think he feels he genuinly has a battle on his hands to hold off Krul and Foster. /It was really good to hear him speak about Foster like that (and gave even more credence to that Norwich fan in the other thread), glad he seems to think the club will do it's best to hold onto him too. Not "the" point, "your" point. "My" point was we all bring our own circumstances with us when we look at a situation. Does Harper see us as better off? It would seem so. Does Given? Probably not. Does Hughton? Probably. Keegan? Probably not. Ashley/Llambias? Definitley. Me, having seen us promoted last time around and in the Champions league several times over before starting our slow descent? Not yet. My little cousin who went to his first match in 2007 and has never seen us win so many games in his life? I'm afraid so. It's very much a personal thing whether you're happier at Newcastle now than you have been in the past. No, it was the point, not mine. The point being, has going down benefited us in any way. I have not even stated my feelings on the issue. nufc_geordie brought up that he felt the drop could have been necessary to see certain positive changes occur and got slagged to shit for it. It's a hard concept to come to terms with clearly, but here we have a senior player at the club saying that it may well have had some merit to it, that there have been some clear benefits, and that is quite significant. Again, Harper may well be jumping for joy that Given buggered off (though don't forget that that happened a good deal before we sunk into the chumps league), but I'd prefer to credit him with being able to recognise the big picture rather than be influenced by personal fortune on this issue, fair enough, you don't think that that is the case. As to your last bit. I too have been there pre and post the last Keegans promotion push, but I think you are again missing the point. Its not about being 'happier at Newcastle now than in the past' - for most of us there have been better times - it's simply about recognising that there may be silver linings to our latest fall and being happy to see them. nufc_geordie felt there was, and got hammered. Harper indicated that supporters like him might well have had a point, and surprise surprise he is getting the critical digs thrown his way now too. If you think I've had a dig at anyone anywhere quote it and I'll apologise. All I've done, I think, is say we all have our own opinions and we should consider where a point of view is coming from before accepting it as fact. If you refuse to accept that, fair enough but you quoted me initially, not the other way round, and you're telling me the point of our discussion. But I'm afraid that's not the point I was making when you quoted me..

Fine, you're right. His interview with Gibson made him sound a complete selfish curnt. Where did I say that? Harper will start next season as a first choice premier league keeper. He's never been in that position in his whole career. So relegation has been good for him in the long term. I'm sure Shay Given isn't looking back thinking "why did i leave?" just yet. The point was he was talking about the club as a whole maybe benefiting from the clearout following our drop, not his own career. I'm sure he's chuffed that Shay upped sticks, that said though, going by parts of that interview I think he feels he genuinly has a battle on his hands to hold off Krul and Foster. /It was really good to hear him speak about Foster like that (and gave even more credence to that Norwich fan in the other thread), glad he seems to think the club will do it's best to hold onto him too. Not "the" point, "your" point. "My" point was we all bring our own circumstances with us when we look at a situation. Does Harper see us as better off? It would seem so. Does Given? Probably not. Does Hughton? Probably. Keegan? Probably not. Ashley/Llambias? Definitley. Me, having seen us promoted last time around and in the Champions league several times over before starting our slow descent? Not yet. My little cousin who went to his first match in 2007 and has never seen us win so many games in his life? I'm afraid so. It's very much a personal thing whether you're happier at Newcastle now than you have been in the past.

Fine, you're right. His interview with Gibson made him sound a complete selfish curnt. Where did I say that? Harper will start next season as a first choice premier league keeper. He's never been in that position in his whole career. So relegation has been good for him in the long term. I'm sure Shay Given isn't looking back thinking "why did i leave?" just yet.

He'd still be sat on the bench otherwise so you can see why he'd see the benefit of the disaster of 08/09.

Don't save game after a bad result.

Glad to see the club seem to be letting it blow over and keeping it all in house.

So they're providing free broadband to the club and we're putting their name on a board. Hardly worth the "tweet".

Steven Taylor was blatantly after the unobtanium.

Where's that from? .com

Having initially remained on Tyneside following the events of Sunday, we understand that Andy Carroll has now linked up with the rest of the Newcastle squad and is available to play at Doncaster Rovers tonight.

Was thinking the same thing. What can I say, I've ran into the lad a few times and he's a complete c***. My cousin knows him and say's he's thick as mince too. for what it's worth, you're both right yes he's a bit of a tosser but how many think it's ok to brake someones jaw because they behave a bit of a tosser. drop the hardman talk and it's just not done, except by twats. i don't think the broken jaw is the issue, although people seem to be making a lot of it. if you're gonna say violence is wrong then you have to say all of it is wrong, no matter how minor or major the injuries are. what it really comes down to is who assaulted who first, there's your culprit. the vast majority of us will never know. i don't care as long as we keep winning. i care because i don't want twats of the hgihest order representing us. yes it comes down to who assaulted who first but given carrolls previous if it turns out it was him he should be sacked (and i still think if he's convicted of his previous he should be sacked or at least sold) Footballer = t*** We'd have to become a semi-pro team to avoid twattishness in the squad. theres twattishness and theres a violent twat. i dont mind rich young blokes being like gits as it's only natural....viloent twats though are a different kettle of knuckles. The precedent has been set over and over in the past whether it was Shearer, Barton, Dyer, Bowyer, Woodgate or Carroll. Nowt will be done.

Was thinking the same thing. What can I say, I've ran into the lad a few times and he's a complete c***. My cousin knows him and say's he's thick as mince too. for what it's worth, you're both right yes he's a bit of a tosser but how many think it's ok to brake someones jaw because they behave a bit of a tosser. drop the hardman talk and it's just not done, except by twats. i don't think the broken jaw is the issue, although people seem to be making a lot of it. if you're gonna say violence is wrong then you have to say all of it is wrong, no matter how minor or major the injuries are. what it really comes down to is who assaulted who first, there's your culprit. the vast majority of us will never know. i don't care as long as we keep winning. i care because i don't want twats of the hgihest order representing us. yes it comes down to who assaulted who first but given carrolls previous if it turns out it was him he should be sacked (and i still think if he's convicted of his previous he should be sacked or at least sold) Footballer = twat We'd have to become a semi-pro team to avoid twattishness in the squad.

....apart from Lee Camp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Taylor_(footballer)

More often than not, Carroll's fist.

Then there's Darren Bent of course.

And this one was openly gay too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Aurelio_Gay

This footballer is an open mincer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Benton http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?um=1&hl=en&q=%22little%20benton%22&ndsp=18&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=il

I only watch Newcastle really, so I'll have to say it's Enrique.

Bound to get sent off/crocked.

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