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Sounds like he is for the first team at least. To be honest I haven't got a clue what's going on in the background. Seems like the loss of Jimenez was part of Ashley abandoning his previous system. Mike Ashley really is unbelievable. How did a bloke this thick ever succeed in business. So in response to the Keegan fiasco, he apparently decided that he would have to scrap the system, which was probably the only successful thing he did here, and give 100% control to the manager. The manager being in control isn't a bad idea in itself, but he fails to consider that "the manager" is Joe f***ing Kinnear. The system wasn't a success. The scouting was, to a degree, in that it got us Bassong (Argentine internationals aren't exactly hard to find, nor was Guthrie, and the other players have failed). The system was a recipe for conflicts, and that's what it created. I'd say the system resulted in the most sensible and productive spending we have done in recent memory. I can't think of any of the players that have 'failed'. It doesn't matter whether Colo and Jonas were 'hard to find' or not, fact is we identified them and we got them.

Tell me about it. I can't be arsed to argue anymore. Just listened to the full NUSC meeting and I've rarely heard anything more depressing. It really breaks my heart to hear a room full of fans so hurt and betrayed by their football club, and what they're essentially doing is futilely lashing out at whoever is within reach. They don't have a chance of ever affecting a real change, they don't even seem to know what they want and why. The focus on removing Dennis Wise was also bizarre, when nobody knows what he has done wrong (if anything). The problem they've got is that any point anyone makes, it is assumed it has to be underpinned by the premise that Ashley is evil and the only answer is to hound him out. I wouldn't dare to turn up to one of their meetings and express the kind of points I do on here... From what I heard yesterday, there were differing views on most things. One or two dissenting voices, but they were mainly just acknowledged and then ignored. I didn't hear anyone make an impact on the anti-Ashley stance. One of the committee seemed to be more reasonable, but the main guy (I assume the chairman) was pretty focussed. Just my take after one listen through.

Maybe so, but then he should have stuck to his guns and got a manager in who would work with the system.

From the link to that I can tell it's a load of shite, I don't need to click it to make things worse.

Tell me about it. I can't be arsed to argue anymore. Just listened to the full NUSC meeting and I've rarely heard anything more depressing. It really breaks my heart to hear a room full of fans so hurt and betrayed by their football club, and what they're essentially doing is futilely lashing out at whoever is within reach. They don't have a chance of ever affecting a real change, they don't even seem to know what they want and why. The focus on removing Dennis Wise was also bizarre, when nobody knows what he has done wrong (if anything). The problem they've got is that any point anyone makes, it is assumed it has to be underpinned by the premise that Ashley is evil and the only answer is to hound him out. I wouldn't dare to turn up to one of their meetings and express the kind of points I do on here...

Sounds like he is for the first team at least. To be honest I haven't got a clue what's going on in the background. Seems like the loss of Jimenez was part of Ashley abandoning his previous system. Mike Ashley really is unbelievable. How did a bloke this thick ever succeed in business. So in response to the Keegan fiasco, he apparently decided that he would have to scrap the system, which was probably the only successful thing he did here, and give 100% control to the manager. Without even considering for a moment that "the manager" is Joe fucking Kinnear. Can't even begin to answer that, the way he went from (what seemed) a considered strategy and system to total chaos over night is inexplicable. That's my major beef with him to be honest.

Sounds like he is for the first team at least. To be honest I haven't got a clue what's going on in the background. Seems like the loss of Jimenez was part of Ashley abandoning his previous system.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=1101 Yeah, it'll be the same bit that hit Oxford, it's almost all melted now though. Might return of course!

Dude, I'm far from happy, that would be ridiculous. I'm just saying that I think the issue of 'communication' is a red herring, and just a way for people to express their different grievances.

So its ok for them to sit in silence whilst they blew a 4th transfer window and the club faces a relegation scrap. Nice aye. I would like them to come out and explain why the made certain decisions. Will it be what i what i want to hear from them?, maybe not but at least its an attempt to communicate the issues that the club faces. Well the fact that we didn't get as many players as we wanted speaks for itself, I don't see how they could justify or explain it, and to try to would just be to invite ridicule... that's what Joe Kinnear has been doing. Fair enough if you have specific things you want to hear, and if you really would accept them then you're a better man than most.

He's a c**t. Just because he bigs us (the fans) up in the press doesn't mean his agenda is anything other than s*** stirring and feeding off scandal. And since when did NUSC become 'an official well run supporters club'?! I agree on some of the stuff he's wrote, especially the lack of communication, but other than anger and frustration he hasn't got any answers, same as most of the NUSC. I'm sick of hearing the same vague things from everyone about how we need to be 'treated with more respect' and all that bollocks. No regime in living memory has ever treated the fans with anything that could be called 'respect', especially not Freddy Shepherd... what we really mean is 'we'd like to be higher up the table please'. Well yeah, but by respect they mean communication from the people who run and currently own NUFC. The communication has been disgusting tbh. Thats lack of respect. I just don't buy that, I can't think of anything that the Ashley could have said. If he'd come out and said "you were in crippling debt, I saved this club and from now on we'll have to run on a budget", he would be getting the same stick he is now because of how bad we're doing. And we think his managerial appointment was shit, when has an owen ever justified those decision to the fans publicly? It just doesn't happen. Same with the appointment of Llambias, he's not going to publicly admit that his own chairman is shit. What about forcing Keegan out? The club have already made a number of statements on that, and we still hate Ashley anyway. That's just my opinion, I just haven't heard anyone suggest anything plausible that they would like to hear.

He's a c**t. Just because he bigs us (the fans) up in the press doesn't mean his agenda is anything other than shit stirring and feeding off scandal. And since when did NUSC become 'an official well run supporters club'?! I agree on some of the stuff he's wrote, especially the lack of communication, but other than anger and frustration he hasn't got any answers, same as most of the NUSC. I'm sick of hearing the same vague things from everyone about how we need to be 'treated with more respect' and all that bollocks. No regime in living memory has ever treated the fans with anything that could be called 'respect', especially not Freddy Shepherd... what we really mean is 'we'd like to be higher up the table please'.

I'm quietly confident we'll win this one, West Brom are maybe even worse than us, even at full strength.

You're not an atypical NUFC fan though, as you've said recently. I'm talking about the regulars at games who don't frequent the likes of this place (i.e. the majority). Patronising view tbh Merely meant those that aren't addicted to the internet/stocked-up on to-the-minute news about NUFC and who generally aren't as negative as a lot on here are. Wish I was one of them again to be honest. Ignorance is bliss. I was thinking the same thing Rich, I used to just make my own mind up about depressing things were by watching the matches!

He's a c**t. Just because he bigs us (the fans) up in the press doesn't mean his agenda is anything other than shit stirring and feeding off scandal. And since when did NUSC become 'an official well run supporters club'?!

Moronic I'm afraid. Please explain? Do I really need to do? If you ask most sensible football fans they would tell you relegation would be an absolute disaster for this club. We have a massive stadium that we couldn't fill, below average players on massive contracts that nobody would want to buy, we would struggle to get back up... and what makes you think Ashley would sell if we went down anyway? I could go on.

Eh? From where I'm standing it looked like he absolutely s*** his pants and threw away all his plans for club. In fact that's the biggest mistake he made. I wish he had the balls not to flinch, then we wouldn't be in this f***ing horrible situation now. There were no plans for the club - he is a fat lying b******, you simply have to look at how much we have spent on transfers and all the lying he has done to realise that. That's just plainly wrong though, he came in and instituted a review of the club led by Chris Mort that revealed our true situation, and put in place a recruitment/back room system that he thought would help us get by on limited funds - the very system that supposedly led to Keegan's departure. Don't know where you get the idea he never had a plan, the problem is that he couldn't stick to it through the hard times. Hmmm let me guess, the fact that we are up shit creek without a paddle Keegan left because he was being undermined and promises were broken I've explained why I think it went wrong, you don't have to tell me we're in the shit FFS. Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one!

Moronic I'm afraid.

Eh? From where I'm standing it looked like he absolutely s*** his pants and threw away all his plans for club. In fact that's the biggest mistake he made. I wish he had the balls not to flinch, then we wouldn't be in this f***ing horrible situation now. There were no plans for the club - he is a fat lying bastard, you simply have to look at how much we have spent on transfers and all the lying he has done to realise that. That's just plainly wrong though, he came in and instituted a review of the club led by Chris Mort that revealed our true situation, and put in place a recruitment/back room system that he thought would help us get by on limited funds - the very system that supposedly led to Keegan's departure. Don't know where you get the idea he never had a plan, the problem is that he couldn't stick to it through the hard times.

The Journal article is encouraging if what JK is saying is true.

Protests?

Totally agree Can't disagree with that, except to point out that maybe the reason NUSC has links with the press is because they are so anti-Ashley. The press wouldn't have wanted to know about them if they had been more reasonable from the start.

Somebody please print the above post out and send it to NUSC. I listened last night for 2 hours to the meeting, and I have upmost respect for what they're trying to do, but unfortunately due to early mistakes and some agenda driven committee members they are becoming an Ashley Out lobby group which many supporters do not want to be associated with. They said last night that the overwhelming feedback they get from fans is that they want Ashley gone now, but they fail to see that the reason that might be is that they are now seen as an Anti Ashley group, so the Anti Ashley brigade gravitate towards them. Last night's meeting seemed more like a gathering of all of those who were against Ashley to come and slag him of in various ways. The meeting was supposed to find some common ground between fans, but they failed (at least in the first couple of hours) to even address the point that the club are losing vast amounts of cash and are technically insolvent without Ashley. That was just unbelieveable, given that the main point that those against NUSC's stated views are that the club was massively in the shit before Ashley, and his net £20m per annum spend sounded quite good if it meant we had a club to support. Ashley is by no means doing a good job, but that is not because he's asset stripping or holding on for a profit, it's because those appointed to run the club have been poor appointments - Llambias, Wise, Keegan - not necessarily bad appointments by themselves, but madness trying to combine them in a management structure. IF NUSC need to change their agenda and focus on NUFC as it is now i.e propped up financially by Ashley, with no buyer interested. Release a statement or proper set of written principles on the website that actually reflect reality. Use Wallace's post above as a starting point. Express that after the recent financial information they are now aware of the perilous state of the club's finances. Express that they believe that the communication from the club needs to be improved - but stop asking to meet Ashley personally. Until you have a membership which reflects supporters as a whole you have no legitimacy and are nothing more than a pressure group. Express the fans concern at the fact that there is a man with no football experience running the club, and if he is to be retained then he needs an experience Kenyon type character to avoid transfers going tits up. Express thanks that Joe Kinnear took the job in the circumstances and kept us up, but his lack of recent top flight experience should mean that a new manager is brought in June - imagine that, changing manager before a season starts!!! They are all realistic aims/goals for supporters to find common ground behind, and if they were part of an NUSC agenda you could have my tenner. I can't think many fans could argue with those or point in Wallace's post. But running a supporters club based upon "We want Ashley out because he's killing our club" is never going to find common ground between fans because it ignores the reality that is NUFC in 2009. Two superb posts, but I don't think NUSC has what it takes to change in this way.

To simply enforce the message that we do not accept the treatment given to us & the running of the club. Aye, but what do you want to happen as a result of it? That's the point. And how are you going to design a protest that actually achieves those outcomes? Otherwise it's just blowing hot air.

Eh? From where I'm standing it looked like he absolutely shit his pants and threw away all his plans for club. In fact that's the biggest mistake he made. I wish he had the balls not to flinch, then we wouldn't be in this fucking horrible situation now.