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I generally agree, if we just concentrated on supporting the team we would be a lot better off. And if you don't like what's happening, don't go. But the role of a football fan is a complex one, isn't it? We're 'customers' obviously, so we expect to be provided with a good product. But at the same time we can be buying the product but still unhappy about what we're seeing, and expressing that unhappiness can make things a lot worse. And football is so close to peoples' hearts, it's not like we can just stop supporting, and it is hard to see your beloved club going through so much shit. I don't think the fans can win either way, they can't do anything about the situation except make it worse by vocally objecting. A tough situation to bear.

Not being able to get a shot on goal isn't the same as not trying to!

I know this won't be popular, but if I was to make a ranking of 'who is to blame' for this whole mess, Jimenez and Vetere would be right at the bottom. Keegan and Ashley I couldn't choose between, and the fans would be nearer the top end of the table.

care to tell us what he done wrong ? Care to tell me what he done right? i've no idea.neither have you . why do you seem so happy for him to go when you have as much evidence he was doing well as poorly. Well we don't know the actions the Jimenez personally took. But we do know that the results of the recruitment team over recent months have been pretty good. Other people have already listed some good young players we managed to get in for not a lot of money.

I rate the Guardian generally but it is amazing how they maintain Louise Taylor on the staff. It's like they think just because it's sport they need a couple of cretins in the department.

It is more difficult to pour scorn on someone who was visible and communicated with the fans a little bit. Even though that wasn't Jimenez' job, it's easy enough for fans to scapegoat people that they don't know anything about.

It's not his fault but it is frustrating. And it shows up the club for signing someone with his suspect health and fitness record in the first place. I think people are just annoyed because they know he could do a decent job for us at the moment if he good get fit.

Agreed, even on Wise nobody really knows what happened.

Viduka, Mido and Beattie would all have been very average signings, but at least Beattie plays the odd game. I'd be suprised if Viduka appears again for the first team, and I won't miss what I never had.

Jimenez seems to have done his recruitment job very well, and I see no reason for him to be hated by our fans. Still, he would have doubtless been removed anyway by the new owners, so he's just getting out now of his own accord.

That statement as a standalone I tend to rather agree with, but in the case of this thread it almost seems out of place. The NUSC is releasing press statements which are neither reasoned nor helpful. They're more blind prejudice and inflammatory. So true. As I've said doing something is only better than doing nothing if the action you take is beneficial. In this case we would be better off if they hadn't released these statements.

I still think it did look rosy, and it all made sense. Maybe we'll never know the real reason why it all fell apart, everything seems to point to just personality clashes and a breakdown of relationships. Weird.

If they agreed to work with the current owner in the event that he can't find a buyer, I would be a lot more inclined to believe that they reall did have the best interests of the club at heart.

The idea that speaking up and forming a group is, by default, better than not doing is nonsense. As I've said before, I think agitation along the lines of what NUSC are suggesting so far can achieve nothing but negative outcomes. So I'm not taking part. What am I going to start up, a moderate NUFC supporters group that proposes getting behind the team and not making knobs of ourselves? Not exactly a political movement is it?

Sweet jesus I had some hope for NUSC but the more I hear from them the more misguided they appear. I really hope nobody with any influence is taking these people seriously.

Well the club is in turmoil and has been put up for sale. Why are you still expecting Ashley to subsidise the squad with £20m? That was his plan when he was sitting with the supporters as owner with KK in charge. Things have moved on quite a bit since then. I was referring to the the "everything rosy" scenario pre-shitstorm - his alleged plan would have failed with falling match income leading to the £20m not being used for transfers. But 'pre-shitstorm' things were going alright weren't they, so why do you assume falling match income?

Yep, good post HTT. However, I still think there's a question mark over Keegan's temprament and staying power. Even if it wasn't because of lack of money to spend, he found some reason to walk out, the same as he has done in the past. I'm not sure we can take the risk of the 'boom and bust' of bringing Keegan back again. I'll give him a chance if he does come back, but personally I'll never feel the same about him again after all this.

That statement is ridiculous, naive and embarrassing, to pick three words. What the fuck do they think they're doing writing to the sponsors and advertisers to ask them to stop dealing with us? Aye, that's what you need in an economic downturn, tell everyone who gives the club money to stop. I know they're trying etc etc, but stop it you cretins.

Kris Gate, was he with us?

Used to go to Gateshead loads when I was at school, me and a few mates even started a fanzine! My uncle was a season ticket holder for years. There's nothing wrong with non-league, cup of tea in a polystyrene cup, freezing day with 200 people in the ground, remember what football is supposed to be like.

Neither do I. If he'd rather be somewhere else he's best gone IMO. To be honest I don't think many people could argue that Owen should stay, unless we turn it around dramatically before the end of the season - which looks unlikely bearing in mind the takeover stuff.

Don't worry, European football is so new to Tottenham they're still using it in arguments.

We were playing far worse than now, with a much stronger 1st team due to lack of injuries. I will never forget Sam being shit scared of every run of the mill side we played against and how his players reflected his fears. Don't remind me, I still feel a bit sick thinking of that period. Sam is dirt as far as I'm concerned - not only was he shit but he also stands for a brand of football that should be made illegal. The worst part of it is he thinks he a modernist with all his sports science and prozone stuff.

We were in pant-soiling danger of relegation under Sam, no doubt about it. For him to come out now and say there was 'no danger' is arrogant and an insult to everyone's intelligence. I've never been so worried about us as I was then.

Surprised Spurs were one of the seeded teams to be honest, they could have had a bigger team to face as well. Though I assume it's based on rankings or whatever, so they most have earned it before they became shit.