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I just remembered that it was reported after his first game (the win over Liverpool) that his team talk was essentially "I know I don't have your respect so don't do it for me." I also think he said something during the post-match interview about having the previous manager's squad and the previous manager's tactics. It's hard to believe that that was the same person as the delusional egomaniac we have now. Looking back, I think I'm getting a feel for what sort of personality Pardew is. He starts out at places with a good attitude, thinking "it'll be different this time." Knuckles down, works hard, doesn't make it about him and keeps the players onside. Then once he starts overachieving and things look good his ego kicks in again. He begins to fiddle with the tactics and starts antagonizing the players. Eventually results go sour (because he's shit at fiddling with tactics), he starts blaming everyone but himself, the players turn on him, and everything goes to hell. Poor bastard just can't escape his own massive ego, can't stop himself from fucking it up every time. Hopefully the end is near and he can go fuck up elsewhere now.

I don't think the atmosphere at the club has ever been this toxic while I've been supporting, and that's saying something given what we've been through over the years.

He'll probably just promote Carver to spite us.

Shepherd was better at selling us an illusion of competing but in the end it was just an illusion. And by the end of his tenure that illusion was dissipating at an alarming rate. There's a reason most of us were celebrating when Ashley bought him out and were overwhelmingly in support of him all the way over to the fiasco with Keegan.

All we need now is for Wenger to retire so he can be the longest serving manager in the Premiership.

I realize I don't really count in this respect but I haven't watched a match in a couple of months and I don't think I will for the foreseeable future. I still love Newcastle but I don't see any reason to care when the club doesn't. I'm frankly amazed at the loyalty of people who still pay for tickets.

Our problems can't be solved by the usual stuff like buying players or changing the manager. There really is no hope.

It's Saturday morning, I've nothing to do, match is on TV, and I haven't the slightest desire to turn it on and watch it.

I guess I could get my wish of a Korean sending Sunderland down in a roundabout way. Realistically the FA aren't going to go back on something that's already been decided though.

Meh, the players have packed it in for the season and so have I.

Oh well might as well give the points to the team that actually needs them.

Our draw is significantly lower than the CL-capable clubs)(Manchester, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, maybe Everton ) and slightly higher than non-CL clubs, same as its always been. Most footballers will be unaware or indifferent about the vast majority of things about the club that annoy us as fans.

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I still don`t see how its worse other than it was retaliation and a manager should know better. Certainly wasn`t more powerful or aggressive. Because he feels that if he doesn't add that caveat he'll be lynched Honestly Ian you should just stay out of this thread. I know you're just trying to make a reasoned argument but people aren't buying what you're selling.

On the opposite end of the spectrum there's NBA basketball, where you could be sent off for swearing. Imagine every player who screams "fuck off!" at the official getting a red.

Good performance and a win against Greece today. Even Park Chu-Young scored.

There's an argument to be made that if you look at it from the perspective of each individual player unilaterally consenting to the risk and waiving the right to suit for all reasonably foreseeable football-related injury, as opposed to an implicit agreement among players not to bring suit against each other for what happens during matches, I think you could argue that it applies to managers as well. All of this is debatable and largely pointless in the end, of course.

Most players are exempt from legal liability for minor physical threats/harm to other players based on a theory of implied consent. Basically, if you're a professional football player you've signed on for the risk of injury and the occasional flaring of tempers. Whether this extends to managers assaulting players as well would be an interesting question that I don't have the answer to.

Quite the opposite, he is highlighting the unfairness in the way the two cases have been dealt with. I'd like to know the circumstances of his case and what he did before deciding that it's unfair. Now it just looks like he's using it as an excuse to complain about his own treatment. Some goon appeared from nowhere at half time when we played Hull in the cup in 2009 and attempted to tear down a banner Keith was holding up. Keith threw three punches, none of which connected. Never been in trouble of any kind before. Fair enough, didn't realize he was a personal acquaintance of people on here. It sounds like he received and completed a fair punishment relative to what he did, but I can understand why he'd feel aggrieved about the current situation.

Quite the opposite, he is highlighting the unfairness in the way the two cases have been dealt with. I'd like to know the circumstances of his case and what he did before deciding that it's unfair. Now it just looks like he's using it as an excuse to complain about his own treatment.

That conversation would have much more credibility if it wasn't initiated by someone who's already on a stadium ban.

We're talking about an owner that was willing to keep the job open for a guy who had a heart attack in the middle of a tight relegation battle.

The fact that Pardew's incident was caught live on television will ensure that the punishment is far more severe than Ince's.

Ashley was willing to wait for Kinnear after the guy nearly got himself killed. Something like a ten-game stadium ban isn't going to influence his thinking.

What the rest of the world says doesn't really matter because the one person whose opinion means anything is fully behind him.