Wandy

For balance, I'd just like to add that the Glazers are indeed absolute parasites, and it's appalling that they have been allowed to leech off that club in the manner that they have.

Let's be clear though, their fans weren't invading pitches when they were winning things under Ferguson with the Glazers as owners. And their ESL "protests" were because they knew that MUFC in the ESL, controlled by the Glazers, would quickly become a nothing club. Rarely winning the ESL, and probably rarely winning the EPL too because there would be limited motivation to do so.

16 hours ago, Kaizero said:

That goes for every club. If we were Saudi owned and they signed us up for the ESL we'd be cretinous as well. I actually have much less faith in us saying something about it.

Maybe. Maybe not.

We will never know the answer to that as we weren't involved in it. They were though and we saw how they behaved, therefore they are there to be shot at.

I'd like to see @Froggy come out and tell us if he thinks the "punishment" MUFC are to receive is appropriate for their actions.

55 minutes ago, Froggy said:

I never said it was. @Nobodywas just suggesting that our club as a whole was cretinous because one man at the top wanted to deepen his pockets. Truth being 99.9% of people involved with the club and the fans hated the idea and rebelled against for whatever reason. 

99.9% of your people involved with the club rebelled against it because they (rightly, to be fair) saw that Man Utd would end up in a very bad place within a matter of years.

If however, they had believed that the ESL would have benefitted MUFC, it's fans and the MUFC matchday experience for the next generation - even if the remaining clubs in the game suffered - then those same protesters would have been all over the ESL like a rash.

The perception that is being put forward in some quarters, like @HTT II in his post above for instance (a remarkable stand ffs ), that the fans of the horrible six "came together" to save English football, is a total fallacy.

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

Did you miss the protests against the idea? This was because of our money hungry owners and nothing else, something you can sympathise with. Ashley would have been all over it if the club was invited. 

The protests against your owners were because, with the ESL, they were about to ruin the matchday experience for Manchester United fans. It had nothing to do with thinking of the welfare of other clubs or the game at large.

55 minutes ago, astraguy said:

Dear lord the gift that keeps giving 

 

Is Ferdinand the biggest prick to ever have been produced from the game? It's a pertinent question.

Hopefully he continues to big-up Solskjaer so much that he stays there for another 10 years as they are never winning major honours under him.

17 minutes ago, gdm said:

 

No red flags. 

15 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said:

Fear not, Wandy. I have full faith in our fans to give well reasoned political hot takes on the middern east as they pile of the Gallowgate end.

"Whey... as lang as they get a new centre haalf in like... then they gaan morder whoiver they like for me like."

You jest, but it probably won't be too far off that. 

What we are going to need to do...IF...the takeover happens, is when knackers embarrass us on the TV, radio or internet then not to have a meltdown about it to fan the flames. At the end of the day, just ignoring this kind of stuff will be the quickest way to make it go away. We could probably do with taking advice from City fans on how to deal with all of the negative media attention.

This whole affair is giving an insight into what it's going to be like if the takeover does go through. The media will constantly stir up shit in a bid to draw out the gobshites in our fanbase into making total tits of themselves on the internet and/or causing trouble for the Saudis themselves. The media will be actively looking for a new "Toongate". 

2 minutes ago, Nepharite said:

Solskjaer.... never forget, never forgive. One of the most unsportsmanlike acts ever. Rat!

Absolutely. Applauded off the pitch for blatant cheating. Great fans though. 

1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Yeah Man Utd fans are brilliant from my experience. One of the best away followings and stood up after the ESL farce.

Bollocks. The fans of the top six protested because they knew the ESL would be a dreadful experience for them as fans. It had absolutely sweet f.a to do with doing right by the game as a whole.

Their away following is crap too. They are mouthy as fuck until they are losing, after that you dont hear a peep out of them.

2 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

The fans are actually one of the things I like about them, as well as some of their squad. 

Truly bizarre statement.

13 minutes ago, POOT 2.0 said:

The irony of the amount of people coming in this thread just to personally attack a few posters seems to be lost on them. Offering fuck all but insults. Not counter-arguments...just lectures on their own perception of forum etiquette. Making them look ridiculous...not the other way round. Fucking children. 

It's way more tiresome and boring than the over-optimistic few. 

Manorpark might do people's tits in...but he's been posting on here for over a fucking decade and always gave good information about the history of the club and certain eras of development. He's far from a Troll. The trolls are those coming in here being massive fucking bores. 

"Nobody knows what's going on, so your opinion makes you looks stupid!" is the mantra...yet yous do they exact same thing, just from the opposite angle. And with same tone of objectivity. And no, it's not a discussion...it's bellend behaviour that none of those people would get away with in the real world.

The forum felt light and breezy during the short time these threads were inaccessible. 

He may be a good poster in other areas but he has become nothing but a troll on anything takeover related.

And if we are talking insults, you only need to look at one of his latest posts. Could he actually be any more condescending?

3 hours ago, Inferior Acuña said:

Find it pretty weird to judge any set of fans off a dodgy message board, every set of fans will come across as a right set of freaks. You seen the state of NUFC fans online man

Most football fans are freaks man.  It's a totally irrational sport to follow.

Also, I've met a few SAFC fans in real life who were sound, and who I eventually found out were posters on RTG. Sure enough, some of their posts were the usual vitriolic shite about NUFC. I didn't hold it against them though as I am rational enough to know that football is not real life. Maybe it's the case that the internet allows people to express their true thoughts without the fear or recriminations? All I can say is that from my experience the vast majority of Evertonians hold NUFC and it's support in utter contempt.

And the grandoldteam forum is hardly a ragtag affair. It's the EFC supporters' main discussion board.

25 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

The judge said that Barclays had acted deceptively and improperly but didn't award her any damages on some technicality.

So she basically wasn't wrong in her case.. She just didn't have enough to nail them.

Every chance that the CAT ends up like that. Gotta love the way law works eh?

11 minutes ago, manorpark said:

I don't normally respond to posts like this.

I have explained the facts and the logic of my conclusions so many times in the past, I am the exact and precise opposite of (what you describe) a "Troll".

While trying not to repeat myself, the current run of events leads me to the ever more certain belief that it is only a matter of time until our Takeover is approved, the logical conclusion of all of this is - Approval.

I dislike the vitriol that is addressed - without foundation - at people like me, Whitley, and Keith.

There is no need for it, it is irrational, and I wish you would just stop.

Having said that, if you choose to continue, then so be it, that attitude will have no impact on the Takover, it is just unnecessary and disappointing.

We are all Newcastle United Supporters, can some of you on here not remember that when considering a response to people who believe (very) differently from you about NUFCs imminent future.

There, I have responded, ok? 

You haven't presented any facts or logic at all. You have just noted that Ashley is taking action against the PL and assumed that he is going to win. There is glaring evidence out there right now that it's going to be an uphill struggle to win. The club has a chance but the odds are 50/50 at best.

22 minutes ago, manorpark said:

My articulate response . . . 

Every post you make is designed to inflame and irritate. You have absolutely nothing else in your locker. Troll.

3 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said:

I thought Keith made it pretty clear last week that he gets all his craic from QC O’Donoghue. I was a bit worried at first that he had some Micky Mouse solicitor on it, like Warwick Davis and his accountant.

Just a hypothetical... If we steam roller them in count or they fold and agree to settle at the first whiff of disclosure, would your opinion of Keith change? It would after all mean he was right all along - rock solid case, never in doubt etc.

 

I don't have an issue with the idea that he has some strong evidence that can win the day. It's the way he holds himself that is the problem. He's making himself, and therefore the rest of us, look ridiculous.

2 minutes ago, manorpark said:

100% false.

Why waste your life writing gibberish like that?

You are actually the worst poster on these takeover threads. At least those who are negative/cynical give reasoning behind their opinions. You just drop in every few days to make the same bullshit statement, knowing fine well it will just irritate everyone, and then bugger off again for a few days. You are a troll.

12 minutes ago, manorpark said:

Well said Keith.

It is interesting how all these obsessive "negative types" (the let's deny facts and logic types) always claim words like 'balanced' or 'realistic' for their negative exagerations.

As I have said many times, when logic points to a positive outcome, then positive = logical and balanced.

That is why the 'positive' thread should be renamed as the 'realistic' thread.

Keep it up Keith, you are fighting for us all (though some don't realise it) and you are fighting for the future of our NUFC.

 

You are nothing but a troll. And if it all falls through you will be off in a huffy shot, just like you did in July when the Saudis made their statement of withdrawal. 

6 hours ago, Decky said:

Fuck sake.

Someone needs to sit him down and tell him to just shut the fuck up now. He may have obtained the strongest evidence possible but he is just making himself look like a complete tit. "Sauces" ffs. 

4 hours ago, GavMcEl said:

If Everton want him (and why wouldn't they) i think rafa would go in a heart beat, his family are based in Merseyside?, they are a big club, passionate  fan base, owners who would be willing to support/fund his project that he would put in place, and as for the whole liverpool/Everton thing that wouldn't phase him i don't think, its the friendly derby after all never no malice or hatred, I said it upset liverpool fans a lot more when he went to Chelsea, than it would if he went to Everton 

The whole "friendly derby" thing no longer holds true, apparently (if it ever actually did). I did the Anfield tour a few years ago and the lads conducting the tour told us that there is real animosity between the two fanbases these days.

2 hours ago, midds said:

Absolutely no axe to grind with them at all, they were brilliant in the mid 80s when I was growing up. I can still reel their XI off from over 30 years ago as an 8 year old. Honest and decent club, probably a toerag element in the fan base but we have too. Worked with a few Evertonians and they've all been sound tbh. 

Have a read of their thread dedicated to us on grandoldteam and you will soon change your mind. They despise us, and their mentality towards NUFC comes across strikingly similar to the mongs on RTG. As far back as I can remember they have had nothing good to say about us, and when we took off in the 90s it really seemed to rattle them, with them referring to us as a "Sky Team". As if we had no history to be proud of pre-1992. I'd love to see them relegated tbh.

One thing that surely everyone can agree on is that the O&D test rules have been written in a vague enough manner to give the PL a significant chance of winning the arbitration. And I imagine that the same applies for their conduct in regards to the CAT case. I dont believe for a second that they have made some kind of glaring schoolboy errors in the way they have handled themselves in all of this, which is why I tend to think Jacobs' take on the situation is a lot closer to reality than Keith's, unfortunately.

29 minutes ago, B-more Mag said:

A PL appeal panel, with members selected by the chair of the PL judicial panel. Its determination would be binding.

 

So I guess they dont have as close mates on the PL judicial panel as they do on the arbitration panel. Otherwise they could have failed it last year and made it quickly go away for good?

6 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

Why is it when it goes to appeal (also the case with the arbitration) it goes to a selected chair by the Premier League?, especially when it is a decision by the Premier League that you appealing about. Surely it should be a totally independent authority selected. I obviously don’t know the legalities, just seems to me to open up accusations of unfairness and dare I say it possible corruption.

Exactly. What all of this shows is that the test needs to be taken out of their hands and tied in fully with UK law, so that appeals go through the courts and not their mates. The game is too important for it to be ran like a country club.