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this is really starting to wind me up Brett - here's another way to look at it, so please do; the quality of our squad is easily top 8 in the entire country Brett it doesn't f***ing matter that scunthorpe, reading or millwall doing play carpet football, the fact is we should be and we should be ripping teams to bits on a fairly consistent basis As i've said quality doesn't matter, Man Utd have quality, they don't rip teams to shreds, Chelsea have quality, they don't rip teams to shreds. Yet Martinez had Swansea playing his way in the lower leagues with far less quality. People on here see other clubs playing a style they want to see and want here, don't we all but it's not going to be happening as you need the right sort of manager with the right sort of philophies to play that way and there isn't too many of them about which we found out. Unless you search around the world looking for one, and i'm sticking by it, something i believe Ashley won't do. That's my opinion and i'd love to be proved wrong but i just have zero confidence in Ashley to pull it off. look at the question i added in my edit also what i'd say about manyoo is they hired a negative fucking manager after ripping teams to shreds for 20 years it's hardly in the plus column for pardiola is it?

this is really starting to wind me up Brett - here's another way to look at it, so please do; the quality of our squad is easily top 8 in the entire country Brett it doesn't fucking matter that scunthorpe, reading or millwall doing play carpet football, the fact is we should be and we should be ripping teams to bits on a fairly consistent basis EDIT: sorry got distracted, so real question was meant to be if you accept we have a top 8 standard team/squad can you point to which of the other 7 teams around us play such aimless attacking football, and which ones sit back every time they have a lead to defend it with their lives instead of going to attack i'll list them in case you're not sure arsenal citeh chelsea liverpool everton spurs manyoo newcastle can you see the odd one out?

Nauseatingly grim. "To Pardew’s surprise, his team took their foot off the gas. Solskjaer put his down and was rewarded." who the fuck wrote this shite?

Fucking hell this thread is a massive circle of recycled points, so here's another. People pointing to the Spurs, Chelsea and Manyoo wins which have masked very bad losses to inferior teams: the haterz point about Pardew always comes back to sustainability. During the 5th season we said it was not sustainable to play football based on marginal results and one person scoring the goals from scraps. So it was proven right. This season he's pulled off 3 very good and unexpected wins that have papered over some of the same failings that had us in trouble last year. Does anyone see where I'm going with this? If we spend the rest of the season struggling against weaker teams and don't go to Anfield or the Emirates and take points chances are we'll end up bottom half of the table. Similarly if we rinse and repeat next season without the wins against the big teams. Shock results like we had are not the norm, top teams will not always be in transition, then where will we be? Until he can put out at team that goes at the weaker teams at home looking to score lots of goals and beat them senseless he's getting it very, very wrong. Keegan almost won the fucking title doing this tbh, 17 home wins that season but our away record was gash. Madness people can't or won't see it.

Or decisions, personnel choices and whatever else make up a good football manager. Looks canny in a nice suit I suppose

Brett's clutching at straws, that's the ultimate conclusion. I take his point in a sense, attacking football is not the norm. However winning football, more often than not, is achieved by the teams that play quality attacking football. As Pardew has players capable of playing quality attacking football yet chooses not to, or can not achieve it, suggests he's failing in his job does it not?

Hang about, Pardew has team of talented international players yet can rarely get them playing good attacking football. How does the performance of any other manager absolve Pardew of not performing his job well enough?

Forgot it was there, will try and remember to bin it when I get back to the poota.

how many of these other managers you talk about have as many current internationals at their disposal brett? i don't even think martinez could claim to have as strong a squad overall personally, maybe equivalent across the board, maybe Their squad is about equal to ours, in fact I'd say ours slightly edges it. Either way the difference in playing style is massive. Same here. Look at some of the players Pochettino has and the football he gets out of them too

how many of these other managers you talk about have as many current internationals at their disposal brett? i don't even think martinez could claim to have as strong a squad overall personally, maybe equivalent across the board, maybe

stopped reading here tbh

absolutely, it'd show he was overseeing a sustained way of playing in the team meaning they could compete against the shitter teams instead of huffing and puffing then turning up when the hollywood dollybird teams show up with their TV cameras for mike's shops to hijack

was coming back to say something similar actually

i don't like bringing "the regime" into it tbh because let's be honest here, if pardew is sending out weakened teams at their behest on the off chance we might go out of the cups he's a fraud and a charlatan - if he's not doing it at the behest of anyone and can simply never motivate his players for cup games he's a shite manager and/or has no ambition the alternative to this being he's just an inept manager who can literally only manage 11 players week in week out (if he fancies them in the first place) or we can't compete with anyone at all neither of them show him in a good light do they? is there a third option? would like to hear what it might be...it'll probably be the "somewhere in the middle" line that's so popular these days he's not good enough, needs to go

Hope you're right Brett, and I haven't even said I think he won't get us winning right away (though Citeh looks a big ask), all I'm saying is there's the possibility he might fall apart again. Also the Stoke game has to be mentioned because we were fucking shit and going to lose until events happened. As we always say, and you always choose to ignore, performances matter a lot. They tell you much more than 3 points.

Totally, he's always making fucking stupid choices seemingly based on fear and needing a big man up top. Doesn't detract from some of the excellent choices he's made in some of the wins mind.

This is the Alan Pardew thread, funny you should mention the Palace game cause we looked great there. All subsequent bullshit have been to his own choices, changes and poor decisions.

Madness how soon as we hit a bit of poor form the attitude swings totally in the opposite direction. Already calling 5 straight defeats when it's not really as bad as you've made out. Yes things went our way against Stoke but things then went the opposite way since but you don't mention that? We were decent against Arsenal, we were decent against West Brom then poor yesterday and very flat. Chances are we will get beat of City but there's no reason to think we'll just roll over give them 3 points. We've still got a chance ourselves of getting something from the game just like we did against Arsenal, just need to cut out silly errors. Don't try and turn this run of poor form into something it isn't just to create a negative attitude around the forum. We are still in a solid position in the league and better placed than many anticipated at the start of the season. It’s just another disappointing bitter defeat early on in a prestigious cup that has angered many, and rightly so but that shouldn’t take the shine off what has been a very good start to our league campaign. Brett, he's had a very good spell with 7 wins in 10, prior to that spell he was a bit shit culminating in rolling over to the Mackems. I'm stating nothing as fact, nor trying to turn anything into anything it's not. All I know is recently he's again failed to rotate his squad, tiredness () and injuries are starting to bite, and we could potentially be looking at a losing streak which he found hard to break last year. All of the above were circumstances that sent him into the abyss last season.

Man, that change in fortunes in the Stoke game is looking good for Pardiola now or we'd almost certainly be looking at 5 defeats on the bounce inc. Citeh. Few injuries sneaking in etc. Time for another Pardew venture into Apocalypse Now with Colonel Kurtz?

Wow, Pardew returns to form in nice time to destroy the season. Great. The Mackems have more to play for than us at this stage, diabolical. Let's see how dark this losing run gets then before he loses his mind once more.

grow

just leave

Back to his woeful best. Same failings as last year , can't rotate, can't deal with a few games close together, scared of his own shadow. Why can't some people see this? It'll catch us up again, it's inevitable; even if he had a decent 20 man squad I'm not convinced he could effectively manage it. Again, gotta hope for a bounceback now to keep the season on track.

he's so fucking stupid too, should have rested people today giving others chance to come in and prove something now all he's done is ensure he's got to flog the same players to death vs. cardiff and then in the league as he'll be shitting himself about going on a losing run again