mrmojorisin75

you appear to be the only one not getting it but anyway, carry on

the bit in bold first part was a fact 'til recently, second part you're only listing physical/individual attributes really and "crossing" which he's never been noted for cronaldo is an amazing physical specimen with fantastic footwork and finishing for his size, but that's literally it...he is several leagues below the likes of messi in terms of all round game Fucking hell. sorry but am i wrong? he scores insane amounts of goals, crazy amounts, but that's all you get from him not saying there's anything wrong with that, he's just not in the league of messi etc. I think you were originally describing Gareth Bale. The reason he scores a crazy amount of goals is because he's not just a superior physical specimen with fast footwork and finishing for his size. His positioning is excellent and he's one of the best (if not the best) in the world at using his pace and timing his runs, he has an excellent footballing brain. The rest of his game is also way above average. He isn't as good as Messi, but he is one of the best footballers we've ever seen. no, personally i don't agree agree with this at all He was the best player in the Premiership by an absolute distance for 2-3 years until he left, he's the 9th top goalscorer in Champions League history, and will likely make the top 3 before he retires, winner of the Ballon d'Or and FIFA World Footballer of the Year and the European Golden Shoe twice. Most goals in a season ever for Madrid, in the league, in the Champions League and in all comps combined. etc etc, the list goes on. He's a phenomenal footballer. It is all relative to the scope if which you consider a player "one of the best" like. he's a phenomenal goalscorer and will be remembered as such, he will not be remembered as a phenomenal footballer i'm afraid

the bit in bold first part was a fact 'til recently, second part you're only listing physical/individual attributes really and "crossing" which he's never been noted for cronaldo is an amazing physical specimen with fantastic footwork and finishing for his size, but that's literally it...he is several leagues below the likes of messi in terms of all round game Fucking hell. sorry but am i wrong? he scores insane amounts of goals, crazy amounts, but that's all you get from him not saying there's anything wrong with that, he's just not in the league of messi etc. I think you were originally describing Gareth Bale. The reason he scores a crazy amount of goals is because he's not just a superior physical specimen with fast footwork and finishing for his size. His positioning is excellent and he's one of the best (if not the best) in the world at using his pace and timing his runs, he has an excellent footballing brain. The rest of his game is also way above average. He isn't as good as Messi, but he is one of the best footballers we've ever seen. no, personally i don't agree agree with this at all

the bit in bold first part was a fact 'til recently, second part you're only listing physical/individual attributes really and "crossing" which he's never been noted for cronaldo is an amazing physical specimen with fantastic footwork and finishing for his size, but that's literally it...he is several leagues below the likes of messi in terms of all round game Fucking hell. sorry but am i wrong? he scores insane amounts of goals, crazy amounts, but that's all you get from him not saying there's anything wrong with that, he's just not in the league of messi etc.

the bit in bold first part was a fact 'til recently, second part you're only listing physical/individual attributes really and "crossing" which he's never been noted for cronaldo is an amazing physical specimen with fantastic footwork and finishing for his size, but that's literally it...he is several leagues below the likes of messi in terms of all round game

jesus christ

realise what i'm about to do here but wouldn't the counter argument to this be that even though "competitive" as you state it (and i have no reason to doubt that you're correct) the games you refer to are let's say out of the ordinary and pele/santos would have been coming into these games in many ways an unknown quantity to europe so to pick a handful (?) of games where he belted them in against some top class european teams isn't really the same as playing in that league and having to deal with teams who have worked on specifically nullifying your game week in week out messi is playing in europe when it is unquestionably the biggest, brightest and best that world football has even been, the rest of the football world is a wasteland in comparison...week in week out every game he plays is shown to millions on TV and his every move scrutinised and watched by anyone who cares to, including opposition players and coaches in that climate his goalscoring and all round ability haven't waned they've improved to the point where he just broke a 40 year old goalscoring record...he's also utterly dominated everything that comes his way in the CL at a time when it is far and away the most important football tournament on the planet...if he's not already all time CL scorer he's every close i'm not saying pele couldn't have achieved the same as messi or anything like that, i'm just saying that you have to put what messi has done/is doing into perspective...there is simply no way that pele's era was as consistently competitive as messi's is, i just don't see how you can argue they're comparable...better pitches, lighter balls, increased fitness and tactical awareness throughout the game etc. haven't made it easier for messi to score goals whatever anyone might think....look around elsewhere, if that was the case there would be a lot more consistent 30+ goal a season strikers but there simply aren't...some manage it for a while but maintaining it takes it toll and/or they get worked out and special attention from the opposition which slows them down not so messi it will more than likely be another 40 years before we see anything like this again, if we get that lucky

mancini is just an upmarket version of pardew surely? his tactics and selections have been fuckin awful for months now

find that pretty amazing myself; decent first season, then manager of the year when a lot of things went his way and we came close to CL qualification...this year has been awful but we're not even half way through the season madness to even think that sacking him could be justified on his record at this point he'll only ever use his plan a unless forced to do something else, therefore if he gets a couple of defensive reinforcements in january and gets the team solid again we'll climb the table....it'd be horrible like, and flair players would hate it i'm sure (as would i), but as said the alternative is unthinkable or plan can't be recovered and the club will be forced into a decision

At what cost? he's got to have it like, i'm far from a fan of pardew but letting him go would be insanity....i've very clearly said i don't think he'll ever progress us as a club (as far as we should with our current quality of player) and in many ways i feel he's holding back our progress significantly the alternatives are too terrifying to consider though...not a chance ashley would appoint a better manager than pardew, none whatsoever, so you have to ask yourself what the cost would be if he goes? unless we're in serious danger of being relegated he'll stay, and i think it's for the best until ashley either f***s off or starts taking us seriously as a football club rather than just a balance sheet best case scenario he gets plan a working again i suppose, 'cause there's clearly no plan b I agree with what you are saying I don´t think Pardew should stay because he earn it, he should stay because Ashley is an idiot. And that´s why it´s so sad and why I have trouble to enjoy us playing. that's not exactly what i'm saying, by no stretch of the imagination has he earned a sacking yet either...it's all about whether you believe he can improve us long term i don't

At what cost? he's got to have it like, i'm far from a fan of pardew but letting him go would be insanity....i've very clearly said i don't think he'll ever progress us as a club (as far as we should with our current quality of player) and in many ways i feel he's holding back our progress significantly the alternatives are too terrifying to consider though...not a chance ashley would appoint a better manager than pardew, none whatsoever, so you have to ask yourself what the cost would be if he goes? unless we're in serious danger of being relegated he'll stay, and i think it's for the best until ashley either fucks off or starts taking us seriously as a football club rather than just a balance sheet best case scenario he gets plan a working again i suppose, 'cause there's clearly no plan b

4-4-2 at Fulham it is then Don't I can't bear to sit through a repeat of Southampton away, especially as I'm going to it I was going to go too but its my Young un's 7th birthday, Mrs Bimps told me in uncertain terms i wasn't going. Bitch. glad to see you survived last night btw I'll bet Bimpys Mrs is absolutely lush

I get what you're saying here but think about that in context, Messi is about to equal or better a 30+year goalscoring record in Europe... Just how much better than Messi do you actually think an individual could get? It may be that another player could influence games more than he does such as Xavi but I just can't see how anyone would possibly be able to score the same amount of goals and provide the same number assists to teammates he does. I just can't.

'bout a 6 at the moment

everything else aside imo the best thing that could happen to football is a manager transfer window

Not many are tbf, but how long do you think we can put up with results and performances like this, bearing in mind how many players we're going to need to keep again next summer? full season of this and we'll have a problem like...i think HBA would stay with us as long as he was enjoying his football but very soon he probably won't be in this team, cabaye will want away unless he's able to start playing his game or they sign his best mate...then it'll be a house of cards imo shola will stay though i'm sure, help with the transition, he's good like that

classic football dilemma, there's no doubt in my mind he won't turn this around in the way it needs to...he might get us more solid again and nick some away points, scrape some 1-0's at home and gain a bit of momentum but ultimately we'll end up back here again some time in the near future, i'm 100% convinced of it so do we want him to recapture some short-term success using his only gameplan or things to get worse? fuckin rubbish, we always end up here somehow...same as the mackems with bruce really, they were aware of the inevitable but clearly didn't want their team to lose the games that would make it happen, neither do i really one thing that i can't understand is if he's so focused on keeping it tight why the fuck is he persevering with 4-4-2 when it's not creating chances and not stopping the either team scoring? he'd be better going one up top and packing the midfield to frustrate the other team then try to get HBA and one other breaking to support the striker....as it is we're not even solid, teams just waltz through us at will when we lose the ball someone nailed it before, management goal is to finish top half...we'd have to be in the bottom 3 in the new year for ashley to do anything about it and just looking we're 5 points off 18th now anyone honestly see where the next points are coming from? me either

is a massive part of our problems right there in a nutshell

hope the bad results force him to abandon his safety first approach to games, plan a has started failing badly so he's got three options really (1) keep it same and hope something changes (2) get the team back to his basics, tighten up the defence then hope the goals follow (3) change the approach and look to be more attacking and expansive problem with (3) is he'd be very, very lucky if it clicks in right away and he'll know that therefore i don't think he'll do it...he'd have to be willing to accept some defeats in order to change the style of play and if he was going to do that he'd surely have implemented it over the summer

anyone have that article with carver when he metions the hight % defensive training they do during the week?

nothing whatsoever was going to happen for us in that game yesterday unless HBA did it entirely on his own, we said the same watching the match and it proved to be so if he ever gets to play in a team with decent movement around him he's going to be fucking devastating, at best with us he has 1 striker making a run once or twice in a match, the rest of the time everyone is on the back foot and stood in rigid formation

what's particularly annoying is they won the second ball every time at our end as well, whenever our defence won a header or shanked a clearance it landed to one of their midfield who were pressing what the fuck were they doing for 90 minutes?

That's the thing, though. The long ball crap we've been playing actually highlights, not negates, the need for a box-to-box player. exactly, how often did we have a midfielder pushing on yesterday looking to either win the second ball or get onto a knockdown that should be bread and butter if you're playing long ball? aimless, directionless floatball man

was about to say, '80's player playing an '80's game as a manager with players from 2012