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absolutely, and fair play to chelsea for being the first team to stop them scoring at home this season as i said before i prefer the way the italians and spanish go about defending when that's their gameplan but yeah, fair play to chelsea for that still missing how Barca's defence is so bad and chelsea didn't punish it though

but they didn't, it's as simple as that! the stats support it, possession and othewise as much as like this barca team i'm aware ANY team can play badly and/or not perform because they're not robots and Barca's defence is so bad chelsea breached it once in 2 legs and they didn't have the balls to play them in either game 'cause they know they'd have been played off the park, that's how simple it is

oh, just to answer this: because when you're only one up and a single away goal puts you out then it might be prudent to win the game, not rely on barca failing to win it because they didn't oblige!

trying to be condescending good stuff chelsea tried to defend their way through a tie against the best attacking team in Europe and they lost so you're crying about the ref and ignoring the ref doing Barca in the first leg when they were totally dominant, a goal which would have forced chelsea out at stamford bridge then barca would have buried them barca didn't cry about the denied penalty, they struggled through a difficult game last night and won it at the death what's so difficult to understand about that?

was gonna chomp but this is surely a piss take I hate this Barcelona w***-fest, was a complete farce today. They were completely toothless in attack, all these great players and one shot on goal and barely a sniff at their home ground. I thought there superb passing moves can tear apart anything.. obviously not. Over-rated. Surely a Man Utd win. You obviously haven't watched them this season then? actually i've just noticed this bit in bold :lol: :lol: dude has been arguing with me for an hour that they tactically contained a team who are "toothless" in attack priceless ye and you would argue that one shot on goal, chasing the game for 80 minutes is good priceless aye, not as good as the team who've scored the most goals overall in europe and the CL being toothless in attack You say that but they scored 1 goal from there one shot on target today when they were chasing the game for 80 minutes lol. No defense there really is there, my toothless comment was pretty fitting on yesterdays performance. probably the crux of the argument here - i understand that no matter how good an attack is if the oppositions primary goal is to stop them playing then even the greatest will struggle happens year on year in football, remember when man utd beat us at SJP the title season that wasn't? similar stuff you appear to believe that because people are waxing lyrical about barca's attack they should just be able to do whatever they want when they want this isn't football manager or PES dude

was gonna chomp but this is surely a piss take I hate this Barcelona w***-fest, was a complete farce today. They were completely toothless in attack, all these great players and one shot on goal and barely a sniff at their home ground. I thought there superb passing moves can tear apart anything.. obviously not. Over-rated. Surely a Man Utd win. You obviously haven't watched them this season then? actually i've just noticed this bit in bold :lol: :lol: dude has been arguing with me for an hour that they tactically contained a team who are "toothless" in attack priceless ye and you would argue that one shot on goal, chasing the game for 80 minutes is good priceless aye, not as good as the team who've scored the most goals overall in europe and the CL being toothless in attack Er Bayern have hardly been good this year if you think that result was special. Check some of Bayerns domestic games under Klinsmann. As your so in tune with European football. who mentioned bayern? they've scored more goals than anyone else in the competition, that's all i said

are you mental? chelsea were spot on but the only thing lacking was goals, the week before barca battered them and didn't score but they're toothless in a attack? what gives man, are you trying to contradict yourself? Are you thick? Pretty simple. First leg i said Chelsea showed them too much respect set up too defensively, Barcelona were easily contained. Battered hardly! Chelsea were quite comfortable and tactics did get a result for them and should of nicked a goal with Drogba. Now a early goal at Stamford Bridge, winning position, know opposition going to over commit and suspect defense, counter attacking play = good tactics. That too comprehend. Jesus wept. first leg stats home team first: goal attempts 18 - 3 on target 6 - 1 fouls 7 - 20 offside 4 - 3 corners 10 - 2 second leg stats home team first: goal attempts 9-11 on target 4 - 1 fouls 16 - 17 offside 5 - 0 corners 6 - 6 don't have the possession stats for both games but you mentioned 70% barca 2nd leg right? first leg i'm guessing would be similar here's a quote from the guardian match report, highly subjective i know but: "Chelsea understand all the perils they will still face after being unable to notch an away goal, but the scope barely existed to mount the counter-attacks at the Camp Nou that Hiddink had envisaged. While Víctor Valdés did pull off an outstanding double save from Didier Drogba, it would be absurd to pretend that the Premier League club had ever taken the fight to Barcelona." oh and "Barcelona then had strong claims for a penalty rejected as Bosingwa grabbed at Henry." i've had enough of this now, i'll openly admit i might be a bit biased towards barca but you're taking this piss with this "easily contained" shit

was gonna chomp but this is surely a piss take I hate this Barcelona w***-fest, was a complete farce today. They were completely toothless in attack, all these great players and one shot on goal and barely a sniff at their home ground. I thought there superb passing moves can tear apart anything.. obviously not. Over-rated. Surely a Man Utd win. You obviously haven't watched them this season then? actually i've just noticed this bit in bold :lol: :lol: dude has been arguing with me for an hour that they tactically contained a team who are "toothless" in attack priceless ye and you would argue that one shot on goal, chasing the game for 80 minutes is good priceless aye, not as good as the team who've scored the most goals overall in europe and the CL being toothless in attack

are you mental? chelsea were spot on but the only thing lacking was goals, the week before barca battered them and didn't score but they're toothless in a attack? what gives man, are you trying to contradict yourself?

was gonna chomp but this is surely a piss take I hate this Barcelona w***-fest, was a complete farce today. They were completely toothless in attack, all these great players and one shot on goal and barely a sniff at their home ground. I thought there superb passing moves can tear apart anything.. obviously not. Over-rated. Surely a Man Utd win. You obviously haven't watched them this season then? actually i've just noticed this bit in bold :lol: :lol: dude has been arguing with me for an hour that they tactically contained a team who are "toothless" in attack priceless

was gonna chomp but this is surely a piss take I hate this Barcelona w***-fest, was a complete farce today. They were completely toothless in attack, all these great players and one shot on goal and barely a sniff at their home ground. I thought there superb passing moves can tear apart anything.. obviously not. Over-rated. Surely a Man Utd win. You obviously haven't watched them this season then? they can't defend, doncha know! oh and the refs screw teams for them

oh sorry, we were discussing juve vs milan in this particular bit weren't we? they're italian in case it escaped your notice Nope. That was actually you saying PL teams cant defend 90% of the time. Shambolic was the word. Its an art form when Italian teams do it, but when Chelsea are winning their tie, and counter attack the opponents its anti football funny that. go back and look at when i referenced 90%, it was the milan/juve game as for chelsea yeah i agree with you, the way they do it is anti-football thanks for agreeing with me - there's a distinct difference between the way italian teams defend and the way chelsea defend that's for sure glad you've seen the light Way to twist my words to suit your argument, if thats what you resorted to. Your probably embarrassed about pretty much every point you made for last 30 minutes. And nope your sentence was oh, so i wasn't talking about the juve/milan final when i said it? my mistake i'm not embarrassed mate, i just see subtle differences where you don't and to be honest i've slightly been on the wind up about chelsea but i'll try and outline the difference i see the italians (and the spanish to a large degree) consider defending a massive part of their game, we do not historically...the italians can see a triumph in a well executed 0-0 whereas to the english it's largely seen as a failure, excitement is our aim essentially the italian style is about positioning and tactics more than anything else but this contrasts with the way english teams set up imo - they set up to dominate physically as a priority, it's currently more about booting people off the ball than anything else but it's changing, managers like hiddink are certainly changing that anyways chelsea and liverpool are really the only teams who play this way, arsenal and man u don't and no-one else gets the chance in the PL if, however, you feel the standard of defending in the PL as a whole is good then i'd get yourself away to football school for a crash course What are you on about that's clearly a reference to PL as i'm the one whos saying its the best in the world. Which it is. PL defenses being shambolic is quite something, when Spanish teams are twice as bad. 6-2 last week just wow. No wonder our Colo was considered a good defender there. wow, staggering, i'll try and help you out though C-O-N-T-R-A-S-T-I-N-G S-T-Y-L-E-S BOOM!! there you go Where defenders dont have to head, run, read the game or bully strikers Ok ah, i'll rephrase to "Where defenders dont have to exclusively head, run, and rely on bullying strikers" also, why isn't this working in reverse then? if the spanish defenders are so bad why didn't chelski (or man u last year) simply go to the nou camp and obliterate them? doesn't make sense following your logic, nor does both teams setting up very defensively against barca if they were so bad in defence and both english teams defences are so good, does it? Because they confident of containing Barcelona - which they did - and were always looking to counter as they leave themselves super exposed. They throw too many men forward, Chelsea should of scored more today. Chelsea had their tactics spot on.. got screwed by the referee. Which you will now probably attempt to defend too. barca were screwed out of a penalty in the first leg, just to balance things out for you where chelsea had about one shot and barca 20 or something, the very same stats you were taking the piss out of barca for last night!! also patently they didn't have their tactics spot on 'cause they lost you've not answered my question though - why did both teams approach barca in this manner if their defence is so bad and why did barca only concede 2 goals in 4 games against them if their defence is so s***? and before you ask why barca only scored 1 goal you've already answered it - both teams set up to stop them playing rather than playing themselves Now your just making stuff up. Chelsea had 1 shot on target only thing you got right in that whole post. Drogba one on one with the keeper, as Barca defense were beyond a joke. Hiddink paid Barcelona too much respect first game, was nothing clinical about them. That whole XX amount of games scoring, didnt hold much water. Stamford bridge Chelsea got the early goal, didn't need another. Didn't need an open game as they can shut them out and counter attack which they did well imo. The referee screwed them on more then one occasion. If Chelsea needed to attack been a different game. eh? what have i made up like? that's just you making things up resorting to "the referee robbed" them shit, honestly...is that like when chelsea went through at barca's expense after a blatant foul on the keeper or is that not counted as a screwing? what goes around comes around you also said their tactics were "spot on" yet they "gave them too much respect first game"? make your mind up dude...presumably spot on tactics must include everything going your way from the ref as well in your world does it?

That last line is spot on Dave. Something people will have to come to terms with. If we do stay up, don't expect a clear out to the degree people hope for, it's just not going to be that easy. redknapp style it'll have to be, a few strategic purchases and sales plus some good loans

oh sorry, we were discussing juve vs milan in this particular bit weren't we? they're italian in case it escaped your notice Nope. That was actually you saying PL teams cant defend 90% of the time. Shambolic was the word. Its an art form when Italian teams do it, but when Chelsea are winning their tie, and counter attack the opponents its anti football funny that. go back and look at when i referenced 90%, it was the milan/juve game as for chelsea yeah i agree with you, the way they do it is anti-football thanks for agreeing with me - there's a distinct difference between the way italian teams defend and the way chelsea defend that's for sure glad you've seen the light Way to twist my words to suit your argument, if thats what you resorted to. Your probably embarrassed about pretty much every point you made for last 30 minutes. And nope your sentence was oh, so i wasn't talking about the juve/milan final when i said it? my mistake i'm not embarrassed mate, i just see subtle differences where you don't and to be honest i've slightly been on the wind up about chelsea but i'll try and outline the difference i see the italians (and the spanish to a large degree) consider defending a massive part of their game, we do not historically...the italians can see a triumph in a well executed 0-0 whereas to the english it's largely seen as a failure, excitement is our aim essentially the italian style is about positioning and tactics more than anything else but this contrasts with the way english teams set up imo - they set up to dominate physically as a priority, it's currently more about booting people off the ball than anything else but it's changing, managers like hiddink are certainly changing that anyways chelsea and liverpool are really the only teams who play this way, arsenal and man u don't and no-one else gets the chance in the PL if, however, you feel the standard of defending in the PL as a whole is good then i'd get yourself away to football school for a crash course What are you on about that's clearly a reference to PL as i'm the one whos saying its the best in the world. Which it is. PL defenses being shambolic is quite something, when Spanish teams are twice as bad. 6-2 last week just wow. No wonder our Colo was considered a good defender there. wow, staggering, i'll try and help you out though C-O-N-T-R-A-S-T-I-N-G S-T-Y-L-E-S BOOM!! there you go Where defenders dont have to head, run, read the game or bully strikers Ok ah, i'll rephrase to "Where defenders dont have to exclusively head, run, and rely on bullying strikers" also, why isn't this working in reverse then? if the spanish defenders are so bad why didn't chelski (or man u last year) simply go to the nou camp and obliterate them? doesn't make sense following your logic, nor does both teams setting up very defensively against barca if they were so bad in defence and both english teams defences are so good, does it? Because they confident of containing Barcelona - which they did - and were always looking to counter as they leave themselves super exposed. They throw too many men forward, Chelsea should of scored more today. Chelsea had their tactics spot on.. got screwed by the referee. Which you will now probably attempt to defend too. barca were screwed out of a penalty in the first leg, just to balance things out for you where chelsea had about one shot and barca 20 or something, the very same stats you were taking the piss out of barca for last night!! also patently they didn't have their tactics spot on 'cause they lost you've not answered my question though - why did both teams approach barca in this manner if their defence is so bad and why did barca only concede 2 goals in 4 games against them if their defence is so shit? and before you ask why barca only scored 1 goal you've already answered it - both teams set up to stop them playing rather than playing themselves

oh sorry, we were discussing juve vs milan in this particular bit weren't we? they're italian in case it escaped your notice Nope. That was actually you saying PL teams cant defend 90% of the time. Shambolic was the word. Its an art form when Italian teams do it, but when Chelsea are winning their tie, and counter attack the opponents its anti football funny that. go back and look at when i referenced 90%, it was the milan/juve game as for chelsea yeah i agree with you, the way they do it is anti-football thanks for agreeing with me - there's a distinct difference between the way italian teams defend and the way chelsea defend that's for sure glad you've seen the light Way to twist my words to suit your argument, if thats what you resorted to. Your probably embarrassed about pretty much every point you made for last 30 minutes. And nope your sentence was oh, so i wasn't talking about the juve/milan final when i said it? my mistake i'm not embarrassed mate, i just see subtle differences where you don't and to be honest i've slightly been on the wind up about chelsea but i'll try and outline the difference i see the italians (and the spanish to a large degree) consider defending a massive part of their game, we do not historically...the italians can see a triumph in a well executed 0-0 whereas to the english it's largely seen as a failure, excitement is our aim essentially the italian style is about positioning and tactics more than anything else but this contrasts with the way english teams set up imo - they set up to dominate physically as a priority, it's currently more about booting people off the ball than anything else but it's changing, managers like hiddink are certainly changing that anyways chelsea and liverpool are really the only teams who play this way, arsenal and man u don't and no-one else gets the chance in the PL if, however, you feel the standard of defending in the PL as a whole is good then i'd get yourself away to football school for a crash course What are you on about that's clearly a reference to PL as i'm the one whos saying its the best in the world. Which it is. PL defenses being shambolic is quite something, when Spanish teams are twice as bad. 6-2 last week just wow. No wonder our Colo was considered a good defender there. wow, staggering, i'll try and help you out though C-O-N-T-R-A-S-T-I-N-G S-T-Y-L-E-S BOOM!! there you go Where defenders dont have to head, run, read the game or bully strikers Ok ah, i'll rephrase to "Where defenders dont have to exclusively head, run, and rely on bullying strikers" also, why isn't this working in reverse then? if the spanish defenders are so bad why didn't chelski (or man u last year) simply go to the nou camp and obliterate them? doesn't make sense following your logic, nor does both teams setting up very defensively against barca if they were so bad in defence and both english teams defences are so good, does it?

oh sorry, we were discussing juve vs milan in this particular bit weren't we? they're italian in case it escaped your notice Nope. That was actually you saying PL teams cant defend 90% of the time. Shambolic was the word. Its an art form when Italian teams do it, but when Chelsea are winning their tie, and counter attack the opponents its anti football funny that. go back and look at when i referenced 90%, it was the milan/juve game as for chelsea yeah i agree with you, the way they do it is anti-football thanks for agreeing with me - there's a distinct difference between the way italian teams defend and the way chelsea defend that's for sure glad you've seen the light Way to twist my words to suit your argument, if thats what you resorted to. Your probably embarrassed about pretty much every point you made for last 30 minutes. And nope your sentence was oh, so i wasn't talking about the juve/milan final when i said it? my mistake i'm not embarrassed mate, i just see subtle differences where you don't and to be honest i've slightly been on the wind up about chelsea but i'll try and outline the difference i see the italians (and the spanish to a large degree) consider defending a massive part of their game, we do not historically...the italians can see a triumph in a well executed 0-0 whereas to the english it's largely seen as a failure, excitement is our aim essentially the italian style is about positioning and tactics more than anything else but this contrasts with the way english teams set up imo - they set up to dominate physically as a priority, it's currently more about booting people off the ball than anything else but it's changing, managers like hiddink are certainly changing that anyways chelsea and liverpool are really the only teams who play this way, arsenal and man u don't and no-one else gets the chance in the PL if, however, you feel the standard of defending in the PL as a whole is good then i'd get yourself away to football school for a crash course What are you on about that's clearly a reference to PL as i'm the one whos saying its the best in the world. Which it is. PL defenses being shambolic is quite something, when Spanish teams are twice as bad. 6-2 last week just wow. No wonder our Colo was considered a good defender there. wow, staggering, i'll try and help you out though C-O-N-T-R-A-S-T-I-N-G S-T-Y-L-E-S BOOM!! there you go EDIT: good bit ignoring of everything else mind

who me? no i didn't this is getting confusing

i think he'll get the space in the final he's been denied by chelski and if evra's recent "performance" against lennon is anything to go by it could be a bloodbath, but then the same could be said of ronaldo obviously

someone else quoted this to me, 11 english started the final last year i'd like to see the stats over the full season mind...not saying anyting either way about this just wondering

since it began it's been won 3 times by English teams (the same as Real Madrid have won it), which includes liverpools luckiest win in the history of football, but that's by the by works out at 2 wins in the last 5 years or 3 in 10/16 total domination, yeah COME ON THE PL!!!! 3 teams in semis this year, all english final last, liverpool and arsenal made finals before that. So thats 5 english teams in the final in the past 4 years. More than other countries nooo? That maybe so! but look at most of the players in those squads, not many English there, are there? Interesting argument against my post... when I have never mentioned players nationality. that's not for me right?

oh sorry, we were discussing juve vs milan in this particular bit weren't we? they're italian in case it escaped your notice Nope. That was actually you saying PL teams cant defend 90% of the time. Shambolic was the word. Its an art form when Italian teams do it, but when Chelsea are winning their tie, and counter attack the opponents its anti football funny that. go back and look at when i referenced 90%, it was the milan/juve game as for chelsea yeah i agree with you, the way they do it is anti-football thanks for agreeing with me - there's a distinct difference between the way italian teams defend and the way chelsea defend that's for sure glad you've seen the light Way to twist my words to suit your argument, if thats what you resorted to. Your probably embarrassed about pretty much every point you made for last 30 minutes. And nope your sentence was oh, so i wasn't talking about the juve/milan final when i said it? my mistake i'm not embarrassed mate, i just see subtle differences where you don't and to be honest i've slightly been on the wind up about chelsea but i'll try and outline the difference i see the italians (and the spanish to a large degree) consider defending a massive part of their game, we do not historically...the italians can see a triumph in a well executed 0-0 whereas to the english it's largely seen as a failure, excitement is our aim essentially the italian style is about positioning and tactics more than anything else but this contrasts with the way english teams set up imo - they set up to dominate physically as a priority, it's currently more about booting people off the ball than anything else but it's changing, managers like hiddink are certainly changing that anyways chelsea and liverpool are really the only teams who play this way, arsenal and man u don't and no-one else gets the chance in the PL if, however, you feel the standard of defending in the PL as a whole is good then i'd get yourself away to football school for a crash course

oh sorry, we were discussing juve vs milan in this particular bit weren't we? they're italian in case it escaped your notice Nope. That was actually you saying PL teams cant defend 90% of the time. Shambolic was the word. Its an art form when Italian teams do it, but when Chelsea are winning their tie, and counter attack the opponents its anti football funny that. go back and look at when i referenced 90%, it was the milan/juve game as for chelsea yeah i agree with you, the way they do it is anti-football thanks for agreeing with me - there's a distinct difference between the way italian teams defend and the way chelsea defend that's for sure glad you've seen the light

true but they've won 2 out of the last 5, one of which was a disgrace to humanity but still counts of course look back through the winners of the tournament, no-one has really dominated as such - in fact it hasn't been won by the same country back to back during it's 16 years that could change this season though, and probably will imo

oh sorry, we were discussing juve vs milan in this particular bit weren't we? they're italian in case it escaped your notice

since it began it's been won 3 times by English teams (the same as Real Madrid have won it), which includes liverpools luckiest win in the history of football, but that's by the by works out at 2 wins in the last 5 years or 3 in 10/16 total domination, yeah COME ON THE PL!!!!