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in the realisation i'm about to ruin a thread isn't this basically just the same as saying don't blame shepherd & that board for appointing souness then roeder? they put their faith in and backed their men as having the expertise to do the job, which they failed at spectacularly this is what i've never got about NE5's chelp - slating ashley til the cows come for bad decisions but slating the previous regime for them isn't good juju? fuck that, ashley appointed his men and they failed same as FS appointed his men and they failed SBR is right what he says but the blame is with ashley, has to be

I'm sure Keegan won't mind helping with player recommendations if Alan asks him nicely. boom boom

duffs a better left back for us than he ever was a winger

having played man u wonder what they're saying about how good we are to watch if they saw the liverpool game

what the fucks this P45 shit like? he's a professional footballer on a lucrative long term contract so yeah, lets give him his P45 this morning wrapped around the fucking huge amount of money we'd have to pay him to do so sell him in the summer for any amount of money - wigan or brum or someone will buy him for a decent fee i reckon though

was very interesting watching real-barca sat night, particularly the level of technical ability on the ball these players have compared to our league laughable to be honest - i can see how english clubs are beating them in europe 'cause they've about 50% or 60% the technical ability of the players that play in spain but "we" play with double the pace and physical impact and beat them that way dani alves was on about it with reference to the upcoming chelsea game, it's basically brain vs brawn or art vs artisan - hence why spain pissed the euro's and england never will was a joy to watch that match was

we'll beat 'em

That's fair comment, but sticking with the same shit players in the same shit formations has got us in this position in the first place. I'd rather go down trying something different than hoping things will eventually come good. I'm sure if he had a transfer window and pre-season in charge he'd pick a system and work to it. ha, said the same thing to my mate yesterday when he was on about where players were playing - playing them in the "right" positions hasn't worked has it? jesus there's a piece in the guardian today slating shearer and using yesterday as justification, there isn't manager on the planet who would have taken our shower of shit to anfield yesterday and got a result - anyone who thinks there is needs to have serious word...the stupid cunt even suggests ashley should have went for "another kinnear" instead of shearer we were ALWAYS losing this game, imo we should thank our lucky fucking stars we only conceded 3 goals and look to the teams we might have chance of beating in our next two games seriously people, complaining 'cause shearer changes shit about trying to find a solution rather than playing the same toss week after week, mental :no:

talk about stating the obvious dude; jesus you can really look for the most pointless thing to argue about at times when barca are playing there isn't a defence in the world that stops them, probably just their own wayward finishing at times a la chel$ki

hindsight would be agree at the time there were merits for an appointment, lets say souness, then once the wheels have come off and things have gone wrong look back and say there probably weren't (m)any after all...hindsight is basically a reassessment of a situation after it's happened, such as the appointment of a manager agreeing there might be merit in an appointment and then once it's failed recognising it as a failure is a different thing entirely as you say not rocket science i'll hold my hands up and say when the souness appointment was announced i thought it was underwhelming but would perhaps steady the ship worst case plus his cup win with every club was fresh in the mind...i could see merits in it at the time, just not big ones with hindsight the writing was on the wall with souness and his past record with player relationships so i can see how it was a bad appointment more clearly, and i also recognise it as a total failure on every level at the club starting with the people who backed him once it became clear what he was doing, i.e. asserting his own ego at the expense of the club and team

FYP we'll get demolished

"I think it's an overdue one, however 1 upfront, not our forté is it, mind you, nor is 2 or 3." sho nuff

not us but still, good bit of hate! http://football.guardian.co.uk/fiver/0,,415657,00.html PLANE INGENIOUS The Fiver likes airborne schadenfreude as much as the next tea-timely email. But intrepid Crystal Palace fans very nearly raised the bar today after planning a fly-by over the Valley during relegated Charlton's match with Norwich on Sunday, trailing a banner reading: "Who's laughing now? Love from CPFC." The supporters were trying to settle a score that dates from Palace's Premier League relegation in 2005 when, after the 2-2 draw that sent Palace down, Charlton chairman Richard Murray went up to his tangerine-tinged counterpart and barked: "Enjoy the Championship, t0sser". Murray later claimed he was irked by Jordan's late arrival at the ground, for not apologising about missing the pre-match lunch and was responding to Jordan's earlier newspaper article in which he had branded Addicks club directors "t0ssers" and all Charlton fans "morons". Jordan played nice, too, retracting "morons" and replacing it with "imbeciles". Iain Dowie's infamous move north from Palace to Charlton to be closer to his family merely escalated the feud, but Jordan claims he is not dancing on the Addicks' grave. "I think that if you wish ill on people then it comes back on you," he tangoed as a coterie of Mr 15%s shoed him in the swingers. Palace fans are less forgiving. Wanting to be the ones laughing last and loudest, a group raised more than £800 to hire a plane, buy the banner and get a licence to fly over the Valley, but their lack of discretion in a messageboard skirmish between "Clowns" (Addicks) and "Nigels" (Eagles/Glaziers) has kept the chocks in place. The official reason, according to the Croydon Advertiser, were Civil Aviation Authority "fears over where the plane could safely land if it suffered engine failure", but there are claims the pilot also received email death threats and "a serious backlash at the aerodrome" if he went ahead. The Surrey plod are investigating "a communications offence" and the Palace fans have given the money raised to the Geoff Thomas Foundation instead. It's now safe for Charlton fans to look up on Sunday, something they'll be doing for at least the next season.

would you support the appointment of Allardyce again then, to run the club on a smaller budget, like you did the last time ? Or do you think he should be looking for someone who has won the title 4 times with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards ? Serious question, because we still really don't know what your criteria is for appointing managers ? that decision wasn't mandiarses, just like you say kinnear wasn't your decision (in an attempt to deflect from the "managers are just a lottery" thing) as you know there are no set criteria beyond getting what you think is the best available,same goes for players. my question is what is his criteria for appointing managers, other than using hindsight - especially when he has agreed with and backed at least 3 of the 6 to succeed, after Keegan, (ie Allardyce, Robson and Souness) on this very message board. Basic stuff this. you talk some utter shite sometimes the definition of hindsight is: "recognition of the realities, possibilities, or requirements of a situation, event, decision etc., after its occurrence." it would literally be impossible for someone to use hindsight as criteria to appoint a manager (as the person would have to already been in the job and then out of it again) so please stop saying it i don't know the background to what you're one about with Mandias but i'm guessing you've rustled something up where he said any one one of souness, roeder or allardyce were good appointments and he backed their choice but now IN HINDSIGHT doesn't think they were so great, or something? that's called human nature and the time vs perception ratio NE5; no-one, no-one on this planet is right 100% all of the time and everyone on it at some time or other will have looked back on a situation with hindsight to view it differently, if they don't then they don't have the self awareness, reasoning skills and intelligence to do that which makes them fuckwits i don't expect a response as you've conveniently started to ignore my posts to you now given i'm not leaving you many easy outs these days, if i do get a response you'll no doubt work ashley in somehow

I think he covers enough ground, it just takes him three times as long as everyone else to do it. He could probably use a fag break. There are goalkeepers who cover more ground than Nolan. I remember when Peter Schmeichel said that one game, just to prove that the OPTA stats meant nothing, when the ball was up the other end of the pitch in one particular game, he spent his time running backwards and forwards across his penalty area just so in the stats, he'd ran the furthest. On the subject of Man U, every team Ferguson has built and re-built has always had exemplary movement off the ball, whether it's forwards or midfielders. Because there are always players running into space the player on the ball always has plenty of options. How many of our players are looking for the ball? Most of them are usually stationary and hoping someone else makes a move. prime example park ji-sung, played against us in Europe after he came to light in the 2002 world cup i guarantee you if we'd signed him instead of man u a massive % of our fans would have said "who the fuck is this joker" and complained their tits off because they never knew who he was took him a while to settle there but he's a tireless mover on the pitch with or without the ball, he's like dyer but better because he plays more and knows where and when to run and can actually use his brain all comes back to successive managerial changes fucking our shit up - still amazed robson never went for the 2 koreans that came to england by the way, they'd have fit very nicely into our team at that time and would have cost less than carl cort or albert luque!!

that has to be out of Viz, surely to fuck?

apparently freddy shepherd was doing a motivational speech to the serie a owners and he reprised his classic "we don't give a fuck about the little teams" diatribe and this is the direct outcome i just made that up, so it must be true

seen milner with it this season for villa i think

i've been gearing up nicely for a looooong time to hate owen and i feel i'll be able to really give it some if the inevitable happens the negative impact this one player has had on our club since the buffoons paid so much for him and him so much can not be underestimated arguably it went seriously wrong the day he arrived so i feel fully justified in blaming him for everything (i'm joking before anyone starts)

this cracked me up - what a moronic thing to come out with, retarded on so many levels

took me a little bit but i get it now, far too subtle bonny lad

the sign would either miss or land on the fans, guaranteed

and your alternative is? bearing in mind we don't have the wingers for 4-4-2 or anyone else to slot into the gap in a 4-3-3 Sell Michael Owen in the January transfer wind.....Oh shit Buy a proven premiership striker in the January transfer windo......Oh shit Sell Michael Owen last summe.....Oh shit Buy a proven premiership striker in last summer's transfer wind.....Oh shit I'm ganning to the pub. yeah right, the horse has bolted, come back and been made into a pot of glue to hold up the sports direct logo i'd say an alterntive might be stick with 4-3-3 and play viduka deeper with martins and ranger (only forward with pace, except mcloven who i'm not convinced by) up front try and get the ball into viduka to hold it up, drop a shoulder lose his man and look for a through ball to the top two with the pace would offer us more than owen is in the same position but we'd sacrifice some defensive stuff owen does do that is not for liverpool by the way, 'boro and fulham at home when the games are tighter

and your alternative is? bearing in mind we don't have the wingers for 4-4-2 or anyone else to slot into the gap in a 4-3-3

The thought of him in the Prem on the other hand is quite tasty. Championship though, he'll get raped anally. Surely if he's good enough he can figure out a way to get through the talentless cloggers who try to rough him up? I wouldn't think that the defending in the Norwegian league would be nice and fluffy compared to the Championship either. Fair point. depends on the kind of winger he is, seems to me in the PL any winger who can beat a man regularly will get "the treatment" and it can be as bad as another other league for that wide men who rely on their final ball (bentley or someone) will get less physical treatment as it's less required in order to stop them flying wingers get took down, non flying wingers don't - jonas & duff are prime examples of this