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That whole thing nearly broke me. Tears in my eye at the end. I'm a Rafa fan first now, fuck this joke of a club.

This, but Bruce is too much of a cowardly PFM to play something like that. In fairness let's see how he sets up against weaker teams, I suspect he'll do the same and keep the midfield 3 but anyone watching that at the weekend should know it's not going to work.

Thought about this earlier, seeing as he's inherited a very similar squad to how we started last season you'd imagine he'd have reviewed it to see what the crack was. If he had then he'd have seen that Rondon & Perez were isolated for months and part of the issue was Shelvey. Ki/Longstaff and then Almiron + 2 up fixed the issue. What an absolute knacker.

Dummett was carrying a knock and Lascelles was ill before the game. So he literally did that too. Jesus

It's frustrating as hell he's never had proper daft backing like. Best manger we've ever had by a long way imo, not dismissing what Keegan did but Rafa is playing 4d chess in comparison.

Incredible how badly he managed every aspect of that like First team selection wrong First team tactics wrong Sub selection wrong In game management dogshit I suppose he didn't force someone to play on injured, is that a positive though

Unless Bruce stops being a tactical bottle job he's going to be isolated most of the time tbh.

Seems a good all rounder physically capable for the PL, can he make the step up and score goals like Firminho did? Big ask for the lad working under Bruce.

This 100%. The fuck are you two daft cunts on about man?

But Bruce said he's not a puppet and has the final say on transfers so by his own admission he's happy with the sqaud and should be able to cover for such situations. As much as I hate the cunt linking that to transfers is weak, it's his own decision making nothing else

This won't translate but the best thing to come out of today is that I showed my daughter a picture of Bruce and she couldn't comprehend his face so I said it looks like a Cauliflower. Went on for a bit and she couldn't get his name so I said Cauliflower Cheese and that's now Steve Bruce's name in our house. Wonderful.

Yeah, I thought we’d do OK today but that second half was f***ing grim. Didn't see much pre season but you know you have to think the 3 in midfield is a strategy to utilise Shelveys passing. Nope, he's just a tactical coward who has no idea. Hilariously if he was going to play the 3 in midfield Ki should be his number one choice but he'll never understand that.

They aren't that great tbh, they'll probably lose to a few weak teams this season. Their defence is crap, just we aren't really testing them. Have you seen how many players they've got injured/unavailable? This was a great time to play them. Yeah, think they were lucky as well, that they played us. Nah, everything should be clicking straight away you know. Just like it did for us at the start of last season. The season where we played well every single game and never lost. When Rondon was labelled slow and crap to start and Ki was useless, etc etc etc. It's all so petty and dishonest man. Just like the owner is. What a disgusting state of affairs everything to do with the club is. No. Your manager has just told everyone how happy he is, and we've just played the weakest arsenal team anyone will see this season. Anyone watching that knows the man has no clue, and no plan. I've never criticised you before but you need to open your fucking eyes here like. That was as bad as it gets.

As I said on Twitter what stands out with that starting lineup is fear. Same as Pardew. No idea what to do so throw an extra midfielder/defender in. Go behind? Start throwing attackers in randomly with no plan hoping for fret. I'm starting to wonder if this might go better than I initially thought.

That was much, much worse than I imagined. He's literally Fat Pards. We are down. Delightful.

Rename thread Fat Pardew pls. I'm calling it now.

But the point isn't what works on or off TV. The point is that decisions are corrected. If it's a problem in ground, which I'm sure it is, they need to solve that with some commentary or whatever. The box has been opened, there's no going back. You can't now wish for less accuracy it's mental. Surely it depends on your personal view as to whether inaccuracy was ever really a problem? When VAR was used in the world cup a few years ago it was sold to the world under the impression that it would be used to correct "clear and obvious errors", and to-date that tournament has been the only good use of the system that I've seen. It's gone way beyond the clear and obvious now. Those offsides in the city game today were mental, there's no way it's an obvious error from the linesman if different frames of the ball being kicked show different results... If they have to analyse things frame-by-frame and still need a computer display to figure out whether it was actually offside then it's definitely gone too far. If they want to get those decisions perfect then why bother having people there to review it anyway? In this day and age you could probably just whack a GPS on every player and every ball and have it work as efficiently as goal line tech anyway; I'd rather wait for a solution along those lines if we're aiming for perfection, because at least the decision would be instantaneous rather than the shambles it is now. Something in the way VAR's used needs to change like. Almost every time a goal goes in now we're just waiting to see if it'll actually count, that just isn't right IMO. It's a bad enough experience on the tele with the commentators telling you what's going on, it must be a complete mess for match-goers. My point on VAR would be they've tried to make it fit existing rules and it won't. They need to amend the rules to fit the technology. Then we can move on. or we could just go back to the old rules which worked just fine and throw var in the bin rather than try and mutilate the rules so var fits. Which ones, they've been changed countless times in small ways over the years like. Look at offside, has gone from daylight to the width of a fingernail man. Rules don't have to be changed wholesale like, they just have to make sense with VAR. So of the 4 things they're saying it's used for, as an example: Offside: needs to be a practical advantage taken by the attacker, this mm bullshit is nonsense. Make it daylight again which var can easily capture with very little controversy. Advantage goes to the defender if it's in doubt, imo. Red card incidents: is there an issue with it for this? I guess the main one would be you can't review things like 2nd yellows right? Not sure anything needs to change there Mistaken identity: again any issue? Penalties: main one is surely this f***ing nonsense about the hand being in an unnatural position or whatever it is. They need to adjust the rules so every f***ing ball kicked at a defender won't result in a penalty As regards the overall point about something happening 28 passes ago that led to a goal, it's going too far imo. Off the top of my head make it active in areas or something, so if there's a foul in the final third of the pitch prior to a goal then it's eligible for var review and the goal can be chalked off. I get that a foul could be committed next to your own box to win the ball then you go up and score right away. You'd feel aggrieved but at the end of the day if you take the ball 90 yards and score the other team has had ample opportunity to stop you doing it and haven't. Go back a couple of seasons, Everton at home when we lost to a last minute header from a corner that should have been a goal kick. So literally 3 touches after a wrong call, VAR rule that one out? I'm actually curious, I haven't read up enough on what it is to be used for. I've not read the intricacies of it if I'm being honest, just on about the bits I've seen and read and what I would do. I think there has to be balance to the cost (time) and benefit like anything else. So in the example you give, for me, if the wrong call leads to a direct free it should be reviewable, however if it gives a corner or indirect free kick then no as you have the opportunity to defend what's coming as a team. I think they should allow some kind of challenge system as well, maybe 1 per half on key calls. That kind of balance, to do otherwise leads down the path Wullies quote was on about.

I really don't know like, from what Brummie has been saying he's got all the same shit patter as Pardew and will throw any cunt under a bus to excuse himself. Couple that with the stuff disco mentions and it'll likely be close. I suspect the difference will be Bruce will be more dispensible to them than Pardew was, that was a major part of the Pardew issue - if Palace hadn't have come along he'd still be here more than likely.

I'll be watching, it's on TV at 10pm here in Korea do not gonna be hard to catch it. Not really bothered what happens either way if I'm honest with myself, hoping we lose I suppose because it's what we deserve but I have a feeling we'll win.

Nah, it'll never get that bad imo. We're not there yet but he's got hipo imo

But the point isn't what works on or off TV. The point is that decisions are corrected. If it's a problem in ground, which I'm sure it is, they need to solve that with some commentary or whatever. The box has been opened, there's no going back. You can't now wish for less accuracy it's mental. Surely it depends on your personal view as to whether inaccuracy was ever really a problem? When VAR was used in the world cup a few years ago it was sold to the world under the impression that it would be used to correct "clear and obvious errors", and to-date that tournament has been the only good use of the system that I've seen. It's gone way beyond the clear and obvious now. Those offsides in the city game today were mental, there's no way it's an obvious error from the linesman if different frames of the ball being kicked show different results... If they have to analyse things frame-by-frame and still need a computer display to figure out whether it was actually offside then it's definitely gone too far. If they want to get those decisions perfect then why bother having people there to review it anyway? In this day and age you could probably just whack a GPS on every player and every ball and have it work as efficiently as goal line tech anyway; I'd rather wait for a solution along those lines if we're aiming for perfection, because at least the decision would be instantaneous rather than the shambles it is now. Something in the way VAR's used needs to change like. Almost every time a goal goes in now we're just waiting to see if it'll actually count, that just isn't right IMO. It's a bad enough experience on the tele with the commentators telling you what's going on, it must be a complete mess for match-goers. My point on VAR would be they've tried to make it fit existing rules and it won't. They need to amend the rules to fit the technology. Then we can move on. or we could just go back to the old rules which worked just fine and throw var in the bin rather than try and mutilate the rules so var fits. Which ones, they've been changed countless times in small ways over the years like. Look at offside, has gone from daylight to the width of a fingernail man. Rules don't have to be changed wholesale like, they just have to make sense with VAR. So of the 4 things they're saying it's used for, as an example: Offside: needs to be a practical advantage taken by the attacker, this mm bullshit is nonsense. Make it daylight again which var can easily capture with very little controversy. Advantage goes to the defender if it's in doubt, imo. Red card incidents: is there an issue with it for this? I guess the main one would be you can't review things like 2nd yellows right? Not sure anything needs to change there Mistaken identity: again any issue? Penalties: main one is surely this f***ing nonsense about the hand being in an unnatural position or whatever it is. They need to adjust the rules so every f***ing ball kicked at a defender won't result in a penalty As regards the overall point about something happening 28 passes ago that led to a goal, it's going too far imo. Off the top of my head make it active in areas or something, so if there's a foul in the final third of the pitch prior to a goal then it's eligible for var review and the goal can be chalked off. I get that a foul could be committed next to your own box to win the ball then you go up and score right away. You'd feel aggrieved but at the end of the day if you take the ball 90 yards and score the other team has had ample opportunity to stop you doing it and haven't.

But the point isn't what works on or off TV. The point is that decisions are corrected. If it's a problem in ground, which I'm sure it is, they need to solve that with some commentary or whatever. The box has been opened, there's no going back. You can't now wish for less accuracy it's mental. Surely it depends on your personal view as to whether inaccuracy was ever really a problem? When VAR was used in the world cup a few years ago it was sold to the world under the impression that it would be used to correct "clear and obvious errors", and to-date that tournament has been the only good use of the system that I've seen. It's gone way beyond the clear and obvious now. Those offsides in the city game today were mental, there's no way it's an obvious error from the linesman if different frames of the ball being kicked show different results... If they have to analyse things frame-by-frame and still need a computer display to figure out whether it was actually offside then it's definitely gone too far. If they want to get those decisions perfect then why bother having people there to review it anyway? In this day and age you could probably just whack a GPS on every player and every ball and have it work as efficiently as goal line tech anyway; I'd rather wait for a solution along those lines if we're aiming for perfection, because at least the decision would be instantaneous rather than the shambles it is now. Something in the way VAR's used needs to change like. Almost every time a goal goes in now we're just waiting to see if it'll actually count, that just isn't right IMO. It's a bad enough experience on the tele with the commentators telling you what's going on, it must be a complete mess for match-goers. My point on VAR would be they've tried to make it fit existing rules and it won't. They need to amend the rules to fit the technology. Then we can move on.

Assistant manager Cone and board man then. Fair enough.

But the point isn't what works on or off TV. The point is that decisions are corrected. If it's a problem in ground, which I'm sure it is, they need to solve that with some commentary or whatever. The box has been opened, there's no going back. You can't now wish for less accuracy it's mental. Do you think every single thing that happens on the pitch should be reviewed? Every throw in, every coming together in the centre circle? I do not. That's mental by your own admission - "less accuracy" Pathetic argument. There's no sport on the planet where they review every play regardless of impact or intent etc. Honestly that's fucking tragic from a Titan of NO like you