mrmojorisin75

mine too

this is getting fuckin daft, we'll end up with straight cash, guaranteed and it'll be spent on players that don't fill the spaces we need

says JFK...i think we NEED to sell him, and man city will know this too

Nah, if he's really that good in physique he wouldn't commit so many fouls. Above average but definitely not top class material --- you can frequently see him out-paced or out-muscled by the opponents. I only rate Taylor's game reading ability to be honest. All the other aspects are not good enough. nah, to me what you describe is all mental rather than physical - he's usually in the wrong place (so he gets beat for pace) or not concentrating and is off balance (out-muscled) very similar physically to terry but HE has it upstairs enough to make up for his lack of pace and his head is good enough to know he has to dominate the opponent physically before they do it to you

what? taylor's physique is about the only thing no-one questions about him isn't it?

Lovenkrands? IF johnson is included in the deal and this mbia is halfway competent AND we stay then it'll have worked for the best no johnson and it's a piss take of the highest order and we won't stay up imo, not a chance is there anything concrete about johnson btw? or is it just paper bullshit we're choosing to believe 'cause it suits us this time? oh, and where's the left back?

indeed, waste of breath and kinetic (?) energy typing it out

don't they do that a fair bit in spain and italy too? go to the press and start chelping about tactics and the like? doesn't work with us, of course, but evidently seen as OK there...

Marseille is one of the roughest cities in Europe. Huge working class population with its own distinct culture and accent at the opposite end of the country to the capital. Sound familiar? The immigrant/French demographic is completely unlike Newcastle, though. I wasnt drawing an exact parallel, just highlighting points of connection and saying that, unlike Merlin's view, i dont think all french people (especially from the south) can be characterised by the snobby attitudes of those in the North. Yeah, I know what you're saying: they're not all Parisians. OTOH, if you're coming out of the North African milieu of Marseilles (or even the Paris banlieue, come to that), the north-east can't really seem that familiar either. pretentious? me? Moi? er, yeah, i know man...not likely to know that phrase and put "me" unless on purpose am i?

selling given and not staying up would be a fuckin disaster like, still i feel like many if it's the only way we can spend something then it's the sensible move to make, given won't keep us up on his own might put a bit of steel in the players as well, make them try and prove the doubters & shay wrong doubt like, overpaid fat lazy bastards half of them are

Marseille is one of the roughest cities in Europe. Huge working class population with its own distinct culture and accent at the opposite end of the country to the capital. Sound familiar? The immigrant/French demographic is completely unlike Newcastle, though. I wasnt drawing an exact parallel, just highlighting points of connection and saying that, unlike Merlin's view, i dont think all french people (especially from the south) can be characterised by the snobby attitudes of those in the North. Yeah, I know what you're saying: they're not all Parisians. OTOH, if you're coming out of the North African milieu of Marseilles (or even the Paris banlieue, come to that), the north-east can't really seem that familiar either. pretentious? me?

you know he's telling fibs. he just can't justify his undying support for someone who's been shown to have been dragging the club down into a deep dark abyss. i'll be very surprised if he actually gives in and posts in that thread tbh from where we came, in the interests of balance...not like we had decades of top flight stability is it? which was relative obscurity was it not? uhuh, which is where we'll end up again imo, i'm saying it's not as if FS has contributed so much to the demise of arsenal, say, who've never been out of the top flight (and everton iirc)

what i never understood was what benitez was fuckin thinking signing him in the first place, torres had just had a storming season playing upfront alone then went into the euro's with villa and basically ended up creating stuff for villa rather than scoring himself, only when villa got injured did torres come back to life when up front on his own in the final rocket science man, always thought playing someone with torres would affect him and it has proven to be the case to date, stupid thing is that they never signed a player of villas quality who could pick up torres's goals how they're doing so well is beyond me (suppose kuyt flourished somewhat for a while mind)...fuckin staggeringly stupid signing

you know he's telling fibs. he just can't justify his undying support for someone who's been shown to have been dragging the club down into a deep dark abyss. i'll be very surprised if he actually gives in and posts in that thread tbh from where we came, in the interests of balance...not like we had decades of top flight stability is it?

Isn't he? Horrible argie bastard. Three times he made clear dives to try and get our players in trouble and the biased ref fell for it every time. That cunt Bennet might as well have been wearing a red shirt, baldy cheating cunt. We were rubbish but defended excellently. If only Howard hadn't fucked up... argies fuckin love it myself, read the maradona book a while back where the were saying to win by cheating is kind of a positive thing in their culture, seen as cheeky personally i think cynical defending (inc DM) is something we've been missing for a long time, perhaps always; taking people out in the right area of the pitch rather than hacking them down on the edge of the box and conceding a dangerous position to the opposition always remember a champions league game SBR commented on between some italians and someone else (think it was the final between ac & juve) where at the end robson pointed out that in the whole game they never conceded a free kick within shooting distance of their own goal, they'd rather concede a soft free kick out on the wing than let it happen further down the pitch where it can hurt you wish we'd had some of that fuckin nouse over the years, why i always wanted ayala in his prime at NUFC - colo doesn't appear to have that in him unfortunately

yeah i'd say that's a fair assessment, maybe now the question should be posed as: we have reached the point where further borrowing is required to keep us in the premier league, are we going to do it? sadly, i think the answer is going to be no what I find astonishing re all this obsessiion with debt, is why the likes of ManU, Liverpool and Arsenal haven't called in the receivers or changed direction realising that lower league positions and financial stability is the way to go........ most other people are obsessed with it, i.e. consider it an important factor whereas for some reason you appear to think it has little or no relevance manu, arsenal and liverpool are basically the most successful clubs in english football history so great examples of comparison you're using there NE5 unlike "sliding like Leeds" ? Mind, we are heading that way now, since Mike came in and started running the club like Bristol City, Plymouth and other such 3rd rate clubs. My point is valid by the way. Those 3 clubs you quote are hardly worried about their huge debts are they ? Would you prefer to try and match them or not ? I realise that some people like mick yearn for the good old days when we weren't embarrassed, because nobody noticed us apart when ritually losing to 4th division teams in the FA Cup and selling our best players, but I'd prefer to have a crack at winning things, personally speaking, and the capacity crowds of the last 15 years or so would tend to suggest quite a few people agree. erm, hang on, this whole thing is from the madras question that you simply can't answer (i think ) - do you keep spending until successful or bankrupt, whichever comes first? should leeds have kept spending then, when it was clear they really shouldn't, they were tumbling down the table and people were calling in their debts? what happens when the banks refuse to lend any more money? i know you won't answer, you can't, but if you HAD read the financial stuff you'd see that had we remained a PLC then the banks would have stopped lending to us eventually (especially given what has happened now!) but we'd have still had the debt & a squad of shit, overpaid players that can barely keep us up...at absolute best when FS left we were 4 years of good management & spending away from the top 4 imo, neither of which seemed a likelihood to me either under the man's tenure MIKE ASHLEY IS NOT TOTALLY TO BLAME FOR THE TEAM WE PUT OUT THESE DAYS as much as you'd like to make out he is, as for the teams we discuss none of them, in the modern game, have been in the position we've been in for the last few seasons (getting worse on the pitch and on the balance sheet) and only manu were a plc anyway so it's totally fucking different to being bankrolled by private investors as arsenal are and liverpool were anyways points been made before; the 100m debt wasn't shepherds money, it was loans, and i would guaran-fucking-tee you that if manu were where we were as a plc when FS left then they'd have stopped the financial rot too, they'd have had to

yeah i'd say that's a fair assessment, maybe now the question should be posed as: we have reached the point where further borrowing is required to keep us in the premier league, are we going to do it? sadly, i think the answer is going to be no what I find astonishing re all this obsessiion with debt, is why the likes of ManU, Liverpool and Arsenal haven't called in the receivers or changed direction realising that lower league positions and financial stability is the way to go........ most other people are obsessed with it, i.e. consider it an important factor whereas for some reason you appear to think it has little or no relevance manu, arsenal and liverpool are basically the most successful clubs in english football history so great examples of comparison you're using there NE5

I suspect the forum is a fantastic medium for reflecting newcastle fans views as a whole. I can't think of anything better. can't agree with that myself like, <50% of what's spouted on here will be what the average away fan thinks imo - fact is most fans don't chase as much information down as some on here do...most will likely rely on what the see on the news, sky or in the tabloids/chronicle to form their opinion again, imo

I think its a bit more complex than KK walking and the toon then being shit. No-one comes out of this smelling of roses. Ashley had a long-term plan for developing the club which was never going to be popular because most fans want quick success and don't really care about underlying financial realities. He saw Keegan as the man who could bring the fans on board. Keegan, on the other hand, only accepted the job as a way out of his own financial troubles. He had no wish to stick around for a long-term slog and started using his standing with the fans to put pressure on Ashley to change his strategy. Behind the scenes, things were hopelessly divided and Keegan walked at the first opportunity, when he could claim constructive dismissal and get his money. You can blame Ashley for setting up that situation, or you could blame Keegan for taking advantage of it. Or both. erm, how much of that do you know as fact i wonder? i tend to agree with you, in a way, but have you seen anything other than some shit article in a toon-hating rag to back up that keegan had/has financial problems? as for keegan putting pressure on ashley to change haven't you just imagined that? as i recall he towed the line til 2nd sep then fucked off into the sunset to prepare suing the club he purports to love - i certainly don't recall him making any grand gestures or statements before 2nd sep granted all of this DOES add up to looking like he had financial trouble

agree with you entirely there mind, doesn't mean the majority are right though does it?

yeah i'd say that's a fair assessment, maybe now the question should be posed as: we have reached the point where further borrowing is required to keep us in the premier league, are we going to do it? sadly, i think the answer is going to be no

NE5 MUST have helped write this? "squad of players that was bursting with internationals.” fuckin priceless

And yet you're happy enough for the banner to be displayed which, whether you like it or not, makes it look like all Newcastle fans share the same views. When you see a bloke at Wimbledon with one of those John 3:16 banners do you assume the crowd is jammed packed with god-squaders? bit fucking different that though isn't it mate, unless it was a playoff game between the best tennis player of the clergy and the number one ranked satan worshipper get a grip, if attention is given to this banner then nationally this is what "we" are seen to think as fans, you have to see that

I think we are supposed to be able to rebuild if we restructure and sell/relase some of our more expensive players. If we can survive this season there should be some hopes for a brighter imminent future I think. Someone with a more direct familiarity with the finance report might wish to enlighten us further ? yeah, think it's an interesting question myself...might go towards explaining the gamble ashleys taking by not spending now? [waiting for quayside or someone to come and boot me in the balls now! ]

in the 18 pages has anyone looked at where we'd theoretically be if we stayed up and lost, owen, viduka, smith, duff, geremi, butt, barton etc... from the wage bill? i.e. would it free up enough operating money for us to start spending and building or are we basically fucked either way?