mrmojorisin75

Main difference is that Terry at that age was learning/playing alongside the likes of Lebouf, Desailly and Gallas. Aye, i'm a firm believer in experiance alongside young talent. Thing is though despite all the pressure, as a 21 year old he is handling it very well. Needs a Hyypia along side him though. personally i thought you could almost see tangible evidence of the effect playing with our "senior" pros had on the lad prior to last season...from his debut mistake against bolton he carried on doing what he'd been coached to do, i.e. he was doing everything the older players weren't but should have been as time went on with boumsong/bramble/moore/carr/babarapist and so on he just started to let their shite creep into his game more and more....pish like getting caught wrongside and pulling players back, diving around like a tit to hide that he'd blatantly handballed it after being out of position.... then for whatever reason he seemed to grow last season, maybe it dawned on him that he was simply already a better player than the rest of 'em? who knows....

Absolutely. Momentum is a great motivator. It makes managers jobs alot easier when your coming off the back of a couple of big (important) signings or a few wins. Still along way to go on the staff side of things but the place is positive at the moment. P.S is that the san siro? aye 2-2 inter away what sticks in the mind about momentum is what sticks in the mind about pretty much every season since we won 11 on the bounce with keegan - that we've started like shite and struggled to get it back under robson we started poorly every time i think but always turned it around, more recently souness and roeder have just started like pish and the subsequent momentum we gathered was negative when you have that kind of momentum the cliches start being true like players don't want to play for you and you don't get the rub of the green and so on what we need this time is good start, i.e. not losing to bolton then winning the next 2 matches for example....start like that and EVERYONE will be fighting to get off the treatment table and into the first 11 like i said, allardyce is astute enough to know this and i'm sure will have analysed the way we've prepared for seasons and the way we've started them in order to turn it around

it's interesting - i was talking to a fellow toon fan pal of mine and he was saying the mackems will be hard work next year 'cause they've got some momentum behind them, the fans, manager & board are united together etc.. blah blah blah whether you agree on that point is moot, what i would say is that we could be in serious danger of gathering momentum ourselves the way things are shaping up if, by the time the season kicks off, we have: ashley 100% in charge and the club off the stock market; most if not all of the previous board/regime out on their ear; allardyce's backroom staff in place; a newly reconstructed, QUALITY defence & if we then go out and give bolton a beating we could be in for some serious action to come momentum is never to be underestimated in my opinion and right now have a manager & chairman smart enough to realise/exploit it...some not inconsiderable yet wise spending and the reversal of our usual shocking start to the season might see us flying to the january transfer window with money to spend to keep up momentum glass half full

the big danger is arsenal will emulate man u of a few seasons ago when it was public knowledge purple face was leaving results dipped, for whatever reason, and only picked up once he commited himself to the club again - that has ultimately lead to his rebuilding the side in its current image effect could be even worse with wenger as these kids must think the sun shines out of his arse - if they're playing a season in the knowledge he'll be gone at the end of it subconsciously they might just cave in...

sounds about right, houllier is a joker and if he thinks this lad is shite then the likelihood is he's not to be honest remember this is the coach that called david ginola a "murderer" when france failed to qualify for USA '94 - he's a shit manager taking lyon backwards

problies brought up elsewhere but i can't be arsed to look through 6 pages to find out: what just occurred to me is i wonder if wenger believes theo walcott is now ready to make the step up into the henry role in his team? although different physically the little i've seen suggests similar playing style - quick, graceful, they use the channels well, intelligent in the pass...i'm not sure there's anyone around i've seen who could be as close to henry wenger has continually sold on his best/older/most influencial players and has ALWAYS had a plan about what he's gonna do next....walcott has become kind of the forgotten man due to his injuries last season but maybe it's time for him to step up?

wierd eh? wonder what the hells going on? even under fat fred we'd not have batted an eyelid at paying 3m for a CB would we? raises questions like: is allardyce the one setting the limits internally for the fee? is he operating on a severly limited budget with no idea of what will come from ashley? (doubtful) is the 100% takeover and subsequent removal from LSE hampering money being spent? (possible) are PSG trying to fleece us and for once we're not writing the cheque? these are just a few but i'd go for a combination of 1 & 4 personally haven't got a scooby about this lad so i'm not a transfer panic merchant but it seems to me if we REALLY wanted him then he'd have been on a plane by now....

that mackems shirt is fucken appaling man

knowing that place the police are problies just pissed off that they couldn't extort martins somehow

fucken hell, some turnaround when we're taking the piss out of other clubs for paying over the odds based on getting joey "get out of jail free" barton for 5.5m if i was a spurs fan who could be arsed i'd spend oh, say, 35 seconds researching the disgracefully bad transfer activity we've had in recent times just make a cunt out of you for those comments

to be honest i'd see this as probably the reason to story has made it out anyways, same as the owen to man u link you know? national press don't want us to have good players when man u or arse could have them instead, so they write a story about them going to one of their favoured clubs in the hope it might end up unsettling them into doing so simplified version but you see what i mean besides, wenger probably remembers the runaround martins gave his whole defence on his own at ashburton last season and sees in that lad what a lot of, frankly, unsatisfiable toon fans don't.... the lad was managed by roeder in his first season and look what he did!! don't people want to see what a real football manager could do with him (at our club)?

nail head hit

cheers man, i honestly don't know what it is but i'm still smirking at the glastonbury one now

there could be a silent majority who find it all rip-roaringly funny to be fair. not sure i'd want to be lumped in with that crowd mind!

seems i'm in a minority of one who likes retarded humour

i didn't value him at 13m, only the release clause did - assuming it's correct i just take issue with your stance that he's not worth it...for the record both anelka and martins got 11 last season and bent 14 very good record for bent in fairness but i think he takes penalties too? maybe the same for anelka, or is it speed at bolton? regardless, if bent is worth 17m, or rather valued at it, i see no reason why martins is overvalued or "not worth" 13m given bent has played in english football all his life whereas martins came from a totally different style of play in italy and can only settle into his game more and improve it's just fucken sad that people want to see the back of the likes of him it really is

Tbh, the Glastonbury one is s*** too different strokes for different folks pal what do you find funny? oscar wild or summat?

or is it the "he's not good enough" not worth it? This. He's just not worth £13m, he wasn't worth what we paid for him £10m for a reserve player with hardly the greatest goalscoring record in the world? Darren Bent will get you 18 goals in the league but I'd value him at about £8m, Bellamy isn't worth what he's going for and neither is kuyt worth what liverpool paid for him. I'd say Anelka's value is a fair price. so you're just dreaming up what a players worth, totally out of market context then... correct me if i'm wrong but anelka is 6 years older than martins and martins outscored him in league when anelka was playing in a champions league chasing team? i'm not even gonna look it up to check but i know for a fact if anelka outscored him it wasn't by much i just don't understand where/how you're setting your prices...darren bent will get 18 goals in the league, well martins got what, 11? in a better team who can actually attack he'll probably increase that amount, as would bent of course again why are you ignoring market forces - forlan 15m (martins more suited to the league, proven), mido 4-6m (a fat joke), man u buying two untested players from abroad for 35m, blah blah blah

is this the not worth it in the sense of "footballers get paid extravagant wages compared to nurses" not worth it? or is it the "he's not good enough" not worth it? 'cause if it's the latter then darren 'never played in europe' bent is supposed to be going for 17m, dean ashton cost 7.5m two years ago, craig bellamy is valued at 9-12m, dirk 'average' kuyt cost 9.5m, and even torres at 27m so perhaps you could maybe explain how martins who is mental fast, 22, very strong, tricky, a good shot in either foot, has european experience and only looks like he'll get better is NOT worth 13m? yes i'm a fan of the boy and think he got some VERY undue stick for last season when he was surrounded by mostly shite at all levels of the club - but even if i wasn't i'd have to pull you on that bullshit

jesus man, tough crowd

it was the glastonbury one, i was expecting more mr bean film poster type crap then that popped up out of the blue

check the following http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/gallery/2007/jun/20/1?picture=330055855 mostly pretty standard stuff but for some reason the glastonbury one (5/7) had me in stitches...

and its not like he was playing for coventry either is it? playing in a man u team that always creates shedloads of chances...just wasn't clinical enough when i mattered from what i remember

agreed people overstate the "he played with fire/passion" for the shirt stuff - he plays no differently now for liverpool and with no more or no less passion than he did for us plus he's attacking his own players with golf clubs and as a result probably gonna be driven out of historically the most successful club in the country lest we forget the impact he had when he signed with robert in firing us into the CL and the good times that followed but i see no reason for him to return he's a fucken little shit and we're better off without him

so what's the perceived wisdom these days about bellamy then? that he was fully justified in all the things he did in his time at the club such as throwing chairs at members of the coaching staff, assaulting a woman amongst other drink related indiscretions, allegedly trying to strike bobby robson before being floored by shearer, going on tv calling his manager (granted a total twat) a liar unless i'm wrong souness was backed up by shepherd 100% in his claims that bellamy claimed to be injured before the game but bellamy denied having said it...? so we are we believing bellamy now, if so why? as i say there seems to have been revising of perceptions and viewpoints about bellamy and i seem to have beeen left behind so it's genuine question to all of the above