juniatmoko

i don't know diego tristan still lived...

very lucky chelsea got anelka now.... one of the best stylish forward in europe.

u'll not laugh again if u realize what happened to rossi and forlan...

get a grip man why do you disagree ? his business model was for us to be in the bottom 3 in early april was it? there's a huge difference between frustratingly incompetent decision making and "a plan" as we saw with FS the man is f***ing up royally, to say he's following a plan is mental - i don't even think he's following his original financial plan due to a number of external factors that have occurred since he bought the club, never mind any football plan he might have had that's why and it gives him precisely 0% credit before you start I said business model, not football model. He thought that we would always get capacity crowds, or close to, whatever our league position, and probably thought we always had had capacity crowds. In other words he was a clueless tosspot like many other people. What he doesn't understand - like many other people - is that the success on the pitch drives the success of the business [in an industry where very few clubs if any make profits] and not the other way around. I've seen many blind views on these message boards over the years, but the blind and misunderstood hatred of the old regime is by far the worst, which I could understand up to a point by those who didn't know any different, but what amazes me now is the amount of people still clinging to it, and attempting to justify Ashley watching the team go down and down while clinging to his "plan", whatever it is. you didn't read a single f***ing word i wrote did you? i'm so disappointed in myself that i even got involved again, find someone else mate i know you talk a modicum of sense but i'm refusing to be ignored in discussions these days...if you want to acknowledge the precipice the club was on before ashley bought it then we'll talk otherwise lets carry on with the detente, i prefer it that way of course I read what you said..........but I think his "plan" is first and foremost to just make a profit. Throw in lots of football related knowledge he didn't have, and you get out what we have now. Basically, I agree with what cp40 is saying. He has misjudged our support in terms of the extent of it, foolishly thinking we would draw those crowds whatever happened, and decided he would spend less and just stay in the premirership. All he had to do was look at the history books and he would have seen that it was the old regime who attracted the crowds back to the club, sadly Ashley is driving them out again. PROFIT? still? really? are you dr manhattan or something? it's not rocket science, this like. evidently your inability to understand what profit means is I do understand. I also understood what would happen to the club when it became clear to me what path Ashley was going to try and take. so, you understand no-one is currently making a profit, nor are they likely to in the very near future? I've already said very few teams actually make a profit in football. Success on the field can be a costly exercise, its certainly a high risk one, and should be understood by anyone who wants to get into football. very wrong statement... actually every team makes profit... the difference was only on the percentage. it shouldn't be called business if it wasn't profitable isn't it? pointing out this, shouldn't really be necessary http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2301797/Deloitte-football-finance-review-Club-by-club-Premier-League-analysis.html from what i am understood from that... if they haven't got any profit how they paid the debt?

get a grip man why do you disagree ? his business model was for us to be in the bottom 3 in early april was it? there's a huge difference between frustratingly incompetent decision making and "a plan" as we saw with FS the man is f***ing up royally, to say he's following a plan is mental - i don't even think he's following his original financial plan due to a number of external factors that have occurred since he bought the club, never mind any football plan he might have had that's why and it gives him precisely 0% credit before you start I said business model, not football model. He thought that we would always get capacity crowds, or close to, whatever our league position, and probably thought we always had had capacity crowds. In other words he was a clueless tosspot like many other people. What he doesn't understand - like many other people - is that the success on the pitch drives the success of the business [in an industry where very few clubs if any make profits] and not the other way around. I've seen many blind views on these message boards over the years, but the blind and misunderstood hatred of the old regime is by far the worst, which I could understand up to a point by those who didn't know any different, but what amazes me now is the amount of people still clinging to it, and attempting to justify Ashley watching the team go down and down while clinging to his "plan", whatever it is. you didn't read a single f***ing word i wrote did you? i'm so disappointed in myself that i even got involved again, find someone else mate i know you talk a modicum of sense but i'm refusing to be ignored in discussions these days...if you want to acknowledge the precipice the club was on before ashley bought it then we'll talk otherwise lets carry on with the detente, i prefer it that way of course I read what you said..........but I think his "plan" is first and foremost to just make a profit. Throw in lots of football related knowledge he didn't have, and you get out what we have now. Basically, I agree with what cp40 is saying. He has misjudged our support in terms of the extent of it, foolishly thinking we would draw those crowds whatever happened, and decided he would spend less and just stay in the premirership. All he had to do was look at the history books and he would have seen that it was the old regime who attracted the crowds back to the club, sadly Ashley is driving them out again. PROFIT? still? really? are you dr manhattan or something? it's not rocket science, this like. evidently your inability to understand what profit means is I do understand. I also understood what would happen to the club when it became clear to me what path Ashley was going to try and take. so, you understand no-one is currently making a profit, nor are they likely to in the very near future? I've already said very few teams actually make a profit in football. Success on the field can be a costly exercise, its certainly a high risk one, and should be understood by anyone who wants to get into football. very wrong statement... actually every team makes profit... the difference was only on the percentage. it shouldn't be called business if it wasn't profitable isn't it?

Agreed. agreed x 2

if today we lost again and the management still not do the urgency they need.... they must beyond retarded peoples. relegation will destroy the city... many economic aspect to the city will decrease at critical point mostly football related.

shite we are really doomed now!

relegation & kinnear never been options... so wtf making hypothetical about it?

No he's not. Went to Barca v Real Mallorca last season and he came on as a sub. Seriously, it was one of the worst performances I've seen. Was booed by the Barca fans. Being fair, one game. The lad has talent. I've never been a fan. Saw him plenty last season on Sky too, and he wasn't fit enough to lace Bojan's boots. i dunno people who rates him was really seeing or just looking at FM...and defo he wasn't as half as bojan.

From the fringes of the Barca team to second division football in East Anglia in 9 months. He needs a new agent. Shocked. My Mexican mate just asked me where is Ipswich and what league are they in. I don't see how it will benefit him mind, playing time yes, but quality around him is lacking. or.... the quality is suited him?

no EPL left winger player that i ever seen .... is better than him.

i did watch him much time. i often watch inter much time. FACT. and i still cant deny how abysmal he is most of the time. like the last game. he was giving chances on the plate but he not taking it. the percentage of he doing that is worrying.

both actually anonymous most of the time (overated). they just dont have that "cutting edge of highly rated striker". yes ibra does score lot at serie A but italian league seems has lost their quality that they have long time ago. inzaghi, nistelrooy, toni, klose, batigol (striker god) & much more.... have that "cutting edge" when you see them

This final paragraph kind of hints at the alternative to Ashley's strategy, which is a speculate-to-accumulate policy of forking out for established players in the hope that you can then recoup the outlay by success on the field. Aside from the fact that we have Leeds as an example of what can happen with a run of bad results, is this a strategy that can work in the present climate ? With the gap between the top four and the rest being so large, and the huge cost, in fees and wages, of attracting the best players to a non-Champions League team, you could easily end up spending £50 million and end up with a team that's in the relegation zone. Even a few years ago, it was a risky strategy, but now it seems completely unrealistic. I get bored of Leeds being trotted out as a cautionary tale to everyone in the league. One example of a club that speculated and failed....but let's not forget they are still living to tell the tale. "Doing a Leeds" isn't the end of a club. It's highly likely they'll be in the same division as us next year ffs, even with all our frugality. What we did in the 90's shows that speculation works. The same as Villa are doing now. Look at the bottom five.... Newcastle Portsmouth Blackburn Middlesbrough West Brom What have they got in common? None of them have a net spend of more than £6m over the past two years. Look at the next nine up... West Ham Man City Wigan Fulham Bolton Tottenham Sunderland Hull Stoke Only Bolton and Wigan have managed to get in this position with a net spend less than £10m in 2 years. In football, the speculators DO accumulate. Why aren't we 5th in the table then seeing as we are the fifth biggest spenders on footballer salaries? Even without any handy facts and figures at hand, I know before Ashley came here we weren't getting anything like the results our spending warranted. Please, no one mention X number of seasons in Europe, this isn't a pissing contest, let's just debate with some honesty about whether we were performing well considering money outlaid. Then we can compare it with what's happening now. Same reason Leeds went down. Spending guarantees nothing. Just improves your chances dramatically. ....and we were never in the bottom five, one point off relegation.... If we had Owen, Barton, Martins and Viduka fit for most of the season I doubt we'd be in this position either, the squad itself is not that bad if looked at objectively. As Chez has said, not many here would argue that Ashley has handled the transfer windows very well, and the decision to stick with Joe Kinnear as a long term manager says a lot more about the clueless football knowledge at this club than anything else. Financially though, the club needs to be put in order and there are a lot of mistakes made in the last few seasons which have to be put right, and Ashley does deserve some credit for that. is there any super duper free injury players?? how can that be said handled transfer windows well? I don't think you understood, I am agreeing that Ashley has NOT handled the transfer windows well, obviously the strict budgeting has affected our attempts to sign players negatively. No there aren't any super duper injury free players, but we aren't Man U or Arsenal, we only have 5-6 players you could call top quality and we need those players fit. Viduka, Owen, Martins, Barton and Beye are all players who would walk into our first team and we would win far more matches with them starting regularly. Even Super Kev needed them in his side to win matches last season. We can afford injuries to lesser players like Ameobi, Carroll, Duff, Smith, Cacapa etc, but the ones missing above are very big misses. i don't think ashley deserve any credit at all... what he do is wrong all the way. we clearly lack of squad depth from the beginning he comes in. if he hesitate in investing (doing strict budgeting) at any reason at first place is clearly how clueless he is in football business. buying EPL club was always need heavy investment. if he cant give that to the club it show he got no ambition no willing to success no vision at all. investing at anywhere place in every sector is always like gambling. you could get success or failed miserably but u cannot hesitate either. because hesitation was always a failure. i know we are not manyoo or arsenal. but even fool at football clearly understand that we lack of centre midfield and until now it still not fixed at all even worse one is butt get another contract... i mean wtf is that? my conclusion is NUFC is not supporter club anymore but already Mike "i do what i like to my toys" Ashley club.

This final paragraph kind of hints at the alternative to Ashley's strategy, which is a speculate-to-accumulate policy of forking out for established players in the hope that you can then recoup the outlay by success on the field. Aside from the fact that we have Leeds as an example of what can happen with a run of bad results, is this a strategy that can work in the present climate ? With the gap between the top four and the rest being so large, and the huge cost, in fees and wages, of attracting the best players to a non-Champions League team, you could easily end up spending £50 million and end up with a team that's in the relegation zone. Even a few years ago, it was a risky strategy, but now it seems completely unrealistic. I get bored of Leeds being trotted out as a cautionary tale to everyone in the league. One example of a club that speculated and failed....but let's not forget they are still living to tell the tale. "Doing a Leeds" isn't the end of a club. It's highly likely they'll be in the same division as us next year ffs, even with all our frugality. What we did in the 90's shows that speculation works. The same as Villa are doing now. Look at the bottom five.... Newcastle Portsmouth Blackburn Middlesbrough West Brom What have they got in common? None of them have a net spend of more than £6m over the past two years. Look at the next nine up... West Ham Man City Wigan Fulham Bolton Tottenham Sunderland Hull Stoke Only Bolton and Wigan have managed to get in this position with a net spend less than £10m in 2 years. In football, the speculators DO accumulate. Why aren't we 5th in the table then seeing as we are the fifth biggest spenders on footballer salaries? Even without any handy facts and figures at hand, I know before Ashley came here we weren't getting anything like the results our spending warranted. Please, no one mention X number of seasons in Europe, this isn't a pissing contest, let's just debate with some honesty about whether we were performing well considering money outlaid. Then we can compare it with what's happening now. Same reason Leeds went down. Spending guarantees nothing. Just improves your chances dramatically. ....and we were never in the bottom five, one point off relegation.... If we had Owen, Barton, Martins and Viduka fit for most of the season I doubt we'd be in this position either, the squad itself is not that bad if looked at objectively. As Chez has said, not many here would argue that Ashley has handled the transfer windows very well, and the decision to stick with Joe Kinnear as a long term manager says a lot more about the clueless football knowledge at this club than anything else. Financially though, the club needs to be put in order and there are a lot of mistakes made in the last few seasons which have to be put right, and Ashley does deserve some credit for that. is there any super duper free injury players?? how can that be said handled transfer windows well?

lie.... more entertaining??? just have two teams to have play consistently good football. league less entertaining when the gap between that 2 teams with the lowers one is very huge.

brilliant thread with intelligence perspective. here you go....

Why is that? Out for a year, first game and the first thing he does is to dive his way to a penalty in a 2-0 game at home against Cardiff, nice touch arsenal player quite amuse you... eh?

I'm surprised you had time to say all of that with most of your time spent with your nose against his arse or your mouth around his cock awful reply tbh....

- only have 1 ball - doesn't wear shoes but naked feet - at other side of the field there is people dropping shit into the river - the goal post made from 3 layer of brick.

so keegan sacked...not left?

solano, zidane, batigol

I am glad Joe didn't try to say "Obafemi" otherwise we'd have another disgruntled, unsettled player on our hands. Obladee, Oblado, Obuymeanotherbottleofwhiskeyplease. Usually calls him 'Obi' doesn't he? I don't know why, but many British announcers seem to think his name is "Obi Martins". I really can't understamd how or why. Are they confusing him with the Obi at Chelsea? no.... just to much star wars fans.....