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Watching highlights of our PL GK according to yourself costing us a goal. Everyone makes mistakes. He's made quite a few of them this season. He's also saved quite a few of them this season.

Watching highlights of our PL GK according to yourself costing us a goal. Everyone makes mistakes.

Sky showing clips Ah

Are people watching it or just assuming?

So constantly chasing shadows and committing niggly fouls in dangerous positions has become the 'new' grafting in some (or many) supporters' eyes. The Age of Ashley, which has methodically dampened expectations, in full bloom here. What did it used to mean like, standing still? Fellas like Speed (converted to a DM role under Robson), Batty, Hamman, Lee and Parker's respective workrates from a defensive standpoint were backed-up by physical attributes and more importantly positional awareness. I'd call it effective grafting, defensively - and that level of play is deserving of the term. Congrats goes out to Colback (Ashley's Bargain Basement Gooooordeee) for lulling folks into thinking that his contribution has any merit, when they praise his 'grafting' style of play. Colback has pulled off the ultimate fraud job. So basically you're saying he grafts but not effectively because he has no positional sense and ability. Which is basically what I said and you were disagreeing with? I'm not the one who chucked a 'liking the graft' (component of Colback's game) caveat in my post in the first place, before saying his shortcomings devalue his contribution. I don't think he demonstrates the character/courage which is befitting of that label either. In my opinion he's either effective, at being that workmanlike defensive grafter, or simply a footballer who flatters to deceive by running around alot - there's no room for the caveat mentioned. You can work hard and not demonstrate character and courage though... Don't see why you're really creating a debate when we ultimately have a very similar view of him... He works hard but shows no character or courage and has clear physical flaws as well as technically and mentally. He can still work hard though... just not effectively.

So constantly chasing shadows and committing niggly fouls in dangerous positions has become the 'new' grafting in some (or many) supporters' eyes. The Age of Ashley, which has methodically dampened expectations, in full bloom here. What did it used to mean like, standing still? Fellas like Speed (converted to a DM role under Robson), Batty, Hamman, Lee and Parker's respective workrates from a defensive standpoint were backed-up by physical attributes and more importantly positional awareness. I'd call it effective grafting, defensively - and that level of play is deserving of the term. Congrats goes out to Colback (Ashley's Bargain Basement Gooooordeee) for lulling folks into thinking that his contribution has any merit, when they praise his 'grafting' style of play. Colback has pulled off the ultimate fraud job. So basically you're saying he grafts but not effectively because he has no positional sense and ability. Which is basically what I said and you were disagreeing with?

So constantly chasing shadows and committing niggly fouls in dangerous positions has become the 'new' grafting in some (or many) supporters' eyes. The Age of Ashley, which has methodically dampened expectations, in full bloom here. He grafts. He's just shite and thick as mince

I hope Leicester stick with CR like. Think Sunderland are down personally.

Tbf the main reason I was asking was for that reason - that Shelvey tries wonderballs 3 times in 10 and actually executes at least 2 most the time.

Think yesterday was as much their doing (and the ref's) that's all. He needs to be more intelligent with his play regardless though

Just curious...what was Shelveys?

Agreed. Anyone else does that while on a yellow card and everyone would be calling them stupid for it. He'd been booked and swung his leg hopefully towards a ball that the keeper was clearly going to claim despite the fact that a defender was shielding the ball from him. I don't think he was trying to hurt the keeper but does that matter? It was incredibly thick of him. Not really like. That ball holds up and he wins it and he'd be in on goal. Have no problem with him going for it albeit it was maybe lacking caution. He caught the lads trailing leg by total accident. I agree with Ronaldo in that he is the wrong man for Rafa like. Think its nowt personal just doesn't fit his plans.

He does my tits in like. He grafts which I like but his overall decision making and ability is shit. It's his lack of thought that pisses me off most.

I get the opinion this is a love him or hate him thread like. I don't particularly rate him but I think you have to have some sort of rationale and balance to criticise him with. Seems to be void in here at times.

Striker goes for it nearly every single time the ball is bouncing in between the GK and defender like that, happens in nearly every match at some point. If he had left it, he'd have had people screaming at him for not challenging for the ball and being a lazy cunt. Agreed.

Agreed.

I think a lone striker having to be removed at HT and replaced with a winger because he's on a yellow card is the absolute definition of a liability, like. Agreed. No matter whether the first was a yellow or not, he was thick enough to almost cost us the game. He took his chance, well done, but I've also seen numerous lone strikers play against cunty defenders and not completely lose the plot like he did yesterday. Though he rarely played lone, shearer dealt with a lot of horrid defenders and mostly managed to keep his cool like. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Different era of football. Shearer wouldn't have been booked for the exact same challenges Mitro made yesterday.

I think a lone striker having to be removed at HT and replaced with a winger because he's on a yellow card is the absolute definition of a liability, like. Gouffran is a striker he's just never really been played as one for us. Or at least he was bought as one.

Quality keeper and for me one of our few PL standard players

Love that he sees what most of the sensible fans see...plus more. Unbelievable we have this guy.

Been a quality signing

really like Lascelles. Breath of fresh air this day in age. Got rightly dropped and it's sorted him out again. Good performance yesterday.

Good win. Made it hard work at times but we laboured through it.

His only arguable yellow was for the tackle on the keeper and sorry like but that was just a bit of a wreckless, Ill timed coming together. The commentators have probably watched 5mins of Mitros time here and made the assumption he's just a dirty bastard. Everyone is forgetting the blatant obstruction and climbing all over him all first half. One chance and one goal in a half of football that seen us create two chances. He had to be brought off for the good of Mitro and the team. Arguably his time may be done here but yesterday's substitution had no relevance other than ensuring a Toon win. People going on as if he was a liability and horse shit yesterday should try playing as a lone striker vs 4 cheats and see if they could do better. It's almost like some people have never played football before. Or would they just prefer a non contact sport? The eagles are canny mint like if non contact is what they prefer??