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Tbh one of the main things I remember about earlier this season was loads moaning when Murphy or Wilson started. Nice easy argument to crowbar in now we're suffering though.

Sheffield United, 24th September Pope Trippier Schar Botman Burn S.Longstaff Guimaraes Anderson Almiron Wilson Barnes Man City, 27th September Pope Livramento Lascelles Dummett Targett L.Miley Tonali Hall J.Murphy Isak Joelinton I've highlighted in bold the players that started the 2 games consecutively. Won't take you long to count them. It's a goalkeeper as well. If you're complaining about the subs that Howe made in that game then sorry to say but you really don't know ball. They murdered us first half, Howe made the subs, changed the impetus, we looked a different team and progressed against the best team in the country. All the while making sure nobody played 2 consecutive 90 minutes and plenty of key players got 45+ minutes rest.

Which game are you on about? Because if it's Chelsea it's completely irrelevant to the discussion we're having, that Howe can be accused of causing the injury crisis due to lack of rotation earlier in the season. If it's Man City you're wrong, if it's Man Utd Ritchie played.

Full backs - Burn broke his back ffs and Trippier hasn't been injured, so that can't be put down as a contributing factor with a straight face. Subs fine you have your preferences, but absolutely nothing Howe has done could have been foreseen to lead to double digit serious injuries. Maybe a handful, which could have been managed.

Man City was much changed without needing to use Ritchie, he did start at Old Trafford, and he was on for nearly a half at Stamford Bridge. The latter was a quarter final which most agreed was a priority.

I don't see any evidence of that. He was rotating the squad fine before rotating the squad meant giving Matt Ritchie minutes.

and the game is just different now. Almost every team in the league has most of their players running around, pressing like nutcases. You need a squad to manage it. Every single other side in the league would suffer badly if they had 11 fit first team level players for over a month. Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool - the lot.

This is an incredible thing to say like. We've had like 11 players out, most with serious injuries like broken bones. Of course it's bad luck and of course it has stretched his ability to manage the squad to beyond breaking point. All these posts saying Howe has fucked up the management of the squad and this can't go on in future seasons - he presumably won't have to contend with a whole team out in future seasons and will have a deeper squad. It won't be an issue. It's got nowt to do with how he's managed the squad and everything to do with a lot of people not being able to handle the downturn in form and wanting to make this into something it isn't. And the way Howe has performed before having to navigate these ridiculous circumstances, you'd expect a bit more leeway tbh.

@Dr.Spaceman sorry looks like I was wrong about Livramento

Corporate power move hard-on klaxon.

Mad that like :lol: I know 8 of ours were in 1 game versus Sheff Utd but we have scored double the goals they have (36 vs 18) and conceded 2 less (21 vs 23), them having now played 1 more game. It's astonishing we're only 1 point ahead of them.

There's nobody to put in for Gordon and we play again in less than 3 days. Would be amazed if Tino doesn't start on Tuesday.

We'd have been saying "Look at that bench man ffs" a few months back but definitely shaping up a lot better than it was. Get Barnes and Joelinton back and it's looking good as we really need to be able to freshen up in the wide areas.

Yeah there were definitely big mistakes made at board level. They either needed to back Robson or move him upstairs, what we ended up doing was the worst way to handle it. Undermining him before a ball was kicked as you say, signing players he didn't seem to want (Butt over Carrick felt a sliding doors moment) and getting Souness in next. Really shit decision making which set us back years.

Yeah because you're making lazy assumptions about our fanbase when there isn't enough evidence to support it. You've given two examples, one of them was a shit manager and the other was a legend but was very old and had shown signs of losing control of the players, and the team had shown signs of decline. Almost all of the other managers we've had have been shit and unpopular. There is no other example like Howe. In fact there is - Kevin Keegan. 3rd in our first season back up in the PL, down to 6th in the 2nd and we sold Cole to Man Utd which he was keen to justify. There was no mutiny, the fans stuck with him. You're talking shite.

Yeah I saw you name Pardew the other day, I'd love to know what Newcastle fans should have waited patiently for him to achieve. The season after finishing 5th he proudly proclaimed how thankful he was that we hadn't qualified for Europe again. Then he went to Palace and they fell off a cliff after a good start, as had happened at all of his previous clubs once his bluster had worn thin. The impatience accusation doesn't work when the fans are right.

What's the point in you repeatedly telling us how impatient Newcastle fans are then, on the basis of their treatment of one manager, when you're also saying basically all football fans are the same?

We're in much greater need of a winger, striker, keeper and/or centre half, before we think about spending decent money on another midfielder.

Trippier's obviously had a net positive impact on us to a ludicrous degree, he's transformed us with his leadership and the level of his play going forwards and backwards. He's clearly going through a hard time at present, so the question is do you trust him to sort himself out and the team / management to circle around him and help him turn it around? And in the meantime say "These things happen, we still trust you". Togetherness as a team and a fanbase is very easy when we're riding a high, not so easy when things are difficult but I think most reasonable fans have views similar to the above. He's a legend, it'll pass.

They did this last time. They're the Boris Johnson of football clubs - they wait to see which way the wind is blowing then jump on the majority viewpoint and act like it was their idea.

Is it just me or are people going a bit OTT about how bad Nuno apparently is? I know it went south at Spurs quickly but he had Wolves playing and doing very well for a few years.

What if he doesn't?

Subhuman scum.

That's the one, cheers! First time in a long time I've seen those 2 clips