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This isn't about Forest. This is Manchester United.

Oh really, what does his fbref say?

Also, pay no attention to what I've said in the past. This isn't about me, this is about KaKa.

This isn't about Hojlund. This is about consistency.

Also @KaKa you keep sharing loads of fbref references when talking about players, including Hojlund. You've also taken issue with me saying Elanga isn't good enough, and have referenced this every time he's got an assist this season. There's "not good enough" Elanga etc. fbref seems to be your go to, so thoughts on this? Makes for pretty grim reading no? While trying to justify a potential £50m fee for Elanga, you also said that Elanga at the age of 21, in his first ever season as a first team player in the Premier League finished with 5 goals and 9 assists. Hojlund at the age of 20, in his first ever season as a first team player in the Premier League finished with 10 goals and 2 assists, despite playing 6 games less. Thoughts on this also? **please note, responses like "good grief" will not be accepted**

Hey guys I'm just asking a question.

Going to quote this in here so I don't derail the Isak thread. This is a genuine question KaKa, so try and answer honestly. You're unwilling to write off Nunez and have belief he's going to get it right, yet you are very critical of Hojlund and you're willing to write him off completely. This is despite Hojlund having a better goals to games ratio at us than Nunez does at Liverpool despite being in and out of a much worse side. He has much less clear cut chances and way less service at us than Nunez does at Liverpool. Most importantly Hojlund is nearly four years younger. What gives?

Aye, so expect £1.1b of debt in 2028.

PSR allows a £105m loss every year doesn't it? Not sure debt is capped.

Aye, £4.1m in total for Ashworth which included compensation to Newcastle and severance. Minging. Accounts also showed that we've now crossed the £1b mark in interest payments from Glazer debt since 2005, and debt now stands at >£1b. Without the INEOS injection, cash balance would be non-existent. A sorry state of affairs.

Where has the £5.5m come from? £4.1m were the total costs for Ashworth's involvement with us. Including hiring and firing costs. Newcastle got ~£2m for him. Still bad of course.

20timeschester

Wouldn't read too much into the West Ham one. According to sources they rejected him as he had never managed abroad and they wanted more experience. Fair enough, but it would be a bit strange as to why they still spoke with him when they knew these things beforehand. Other sources suggest he had a change of heart and apologised to Sporting for meeting with them. I'd say the latter is more likely. It's well documented though that Liverpool went with Slot because Amorim's system would have required a squad overhaul which they didn't need. The difference is that we badly need a squad overhaul and most fans want him to gut the team. Sign young and hungry players (Dorgu), and get rid of the overpaid passengers (Rashford). It's going to take time but I do think he'll be a success if he's backed. If Ratcliffe and co. decide to sack him, it would be a display of gross incompetence, and the only person who comes out of it looking good is Dan Ashworth.

You'll be paying for it once you move over here.

I would agree. By next February, he'll have been in the job 15 months and will have had three windows and a full preseason to implement his ideas. How much patience the fans will have depends on how well he's backed in the summer and how the team is performing. The players he has are better than 15th.

I understand this view, but at the minute he's not going to come under much pressure from fans as we mostly understand that he's walked into a complete shitshow. What's happening now is what could and maybe should have happened in previous seasons. He basically has had an extra 5/6 months for prep and will get a full preseason. I understand why the board wanted him to come in now.

Big clubs only mate.

I do think we've packed the league in entirely and will put all focus into the Europa League which we have a realistic chance of winning. Don't think us battling our way through 7 matches against the likes of Lazio, Bilbao and indeed Spurs is more likely than Newcastle winning a one off game against Liverpool though.

Our bench today is Harrison, Amass, Fredericson, Lindelof, Heaven, Fletcher, Kone, Moorhouse and Chido Obi.

Or amazing for the neutral.

Ugarte, Mainoo and Collyer all injured in training too. Was wondering when our good friend injury crisis would pop in for a chat.