Froggy

Sorry, to try and balance the books. Regardless of your opinion on said source, it's a source all the same. People will happily say Cunha is on £300k a week with nothing to back it up, but if Capology and numerous other reports suggest it's £180k, people are like "oh no, no. You can't use that as a source." Well aware none of us know the exact wages, but I don't see the issue in using media and journalist reports as a rough starting point. The reason people don't like it on here as it's suggests Newcastle are paying for more than most of you are willing to admit.

Also @Viana I genuinely appreciate the measured responses despite the difference of opinion. It's refreshing.

Hojlund is a PSR profit. Garnacho and McTominay were far more involved in our first team setup than Anderson or Minteh for example were to yours. There was no outcry when Garnacho was sold because he was a ballbag. McTominay is a limited footballer and the money was good, but it was a PSR sale at the end of the day. People make out like we don't have to do that. We absolutely do. OK so. Mbeumo's reported wage is £150,000 a week. This is why I get my back up a lot about this sort of stuff. People inflate our wages for no reason but to make it appear worse than what it is. Pretty clear Sesko is young and an investment. Carrick started Mbeumo up top in his first game against City to help the press and we played so well in that game and the ones that followed that he couldn't really change the team. Sesko did work his way back in though. Even at that he's started 17 out of his 31 games, and a number of bench appearances were either right after he signed, or right after injury. The main bit I'd like to address here though is how we're paying him £160,000 a week and because he's spent half the time on the bench you can't compete with that. Sesko started 54% of his games. Wissa, £50-55m, £140k a week - 19 appearances, 15 as a sub - started 21% of his games Elanga, £50-55m, £100k a week - 32 appearances, 18 as a sub - started 43% of his games Woltemade, £65-70m, £132k a week - 33 appearances, 9 as a sub - started 72% of his games Ramsey - £39-£43m, £120k a week - 28 appearances, 13 as a sub - started 53% of his games They're all big money signings on big wages and they've collectively started 47% of their games. Not sure what it is you can't compete with to be honest. Howe wanted Elanga for years. I can't buy this that he wasn't first choice. He absolutely was first choice. He has been a bad signing, and joined the team with a bunch of other bad signings. They're not write offs, but they were rubbish this season. Sterling also joined City years after they had established themselves. They didn't start with players like Sterling or Aguero. They started with players like Jo and Craig Bellamy. Robinho thought he was joining Chelsea, and he left to go to AC Milan a year or two later anyway. I'd argue the players you were able to sign initially under Howe were of a higher quality than those City initially signed. Even City greats like Kompany, Silva, Zabaleta etc. weren't signed from big clubs. They were signed from teams like Hamburger and Espanyol who were midtable Spanish and German sides and a lot of them were very modest fees. Are you telling me Newcastle couldn't go into Spain and Germany and have their pick of players from Stuttgart or Rayo Vallecano? Of course they could. They simply signed better than you and as hard as it is to maybe admit, Mancini was probably a better coach than Howe. -------------------------------------------------------- Long story short, you cannot put every single signing or every single negative situation down to money.

I disagree with a lot of this. We were desperate to sell "big players" like Rashford, Hojlund, Antony, Sancho etc. to balance the books. Because of the stupid contracts given out by the previous board we struggled to do so. People talk about Newcastle having to sell Anderson for PSR reasons etc. We sold homegrown talents like McTominay. Garnacho, Pellistri, Kambwala, Henderson for the exact same reason and were floating the idea of even selling Mainoo because of the PSR implications. You also weren't forced to sell Isak. You simply sold Isak because he didn't want to play for you anymore and it would be stupid to keep him with such a huge offer on the table. The reports I read suggested you'd be more than happy to give him a record contract at Newcastle, but he wanted to leave so this never happened. It was nothing to do with PSR. I don't think players moving to Chelsea or Man United where they won't be a guaranteed starter suggests the system is broken. Players will back themselves to break into teams, and the vast majority would rather player for teams like Chelsea or Man United over the likes of Aston Villa or Newcastle. We did spend £250m, and you spent £260. Hardly different financial cycles. You're bemoaning being left with Woltemade over Sesko now, but you were all gloating about how you got the better player in the first couple of months of the season where you had all written Sesko off. Now that it's obvious Sesko is far better, it's back to the argument that you were left with scraps. PSR and the "cartel" didn't make you spend £110m on Elanga and Wissa lads.

Chelsea: 25/26: Finished 10th. Final of FA Cup. Played in CL (huge revenue) 24/25: Finished 4th. Won Conference League. Won Club World Cup 23/24: Finished 6th. Final of League Cup 22/23: Finished 12th. Played in CL 21/22: Finished 3rd. Won Super Cup. Won Club World Cup. Final of FA Cup. Final of League Cup. Played in CL 20/21: Finished 4th. Won Champions League. Final of FA Cup. Aye, they shouldn't be able to sign players from Aston Villa. Come on man.

Pretty much debunked this already by showing Villa pay the same wages as Chelsea. We were struggling with a wage bill long before Sir Jim. We were paying over £4m a week in wages a few seasons ago, and that's about to drop below £3m for the first time in a long time. And yes, we're a footballing business. The football team is always going to be first priority.

Not sure where I said he wouldn't get a pay rise. Well aware of how it all works.

I don't think that. It's just got the point where any transfer from any other team in the league to one of the "big 6" is seen as scandalous and only happening because of money, which is hideously untrue. Villa took a player off us on loan two seasons in a row and paid them £200,000 a week because we were struggling with a wage bill. Yet people are talking about them like they're paupers because they might sell Rogers for £80m+.

I don't know that, same way you don't know how much he'd get if he moved. I think it's safe to say though that if he decided he wanted to stay at Villa he'd get a pay increase. If you think the only reason Morgan Rogers would want to play for Arsenal, Chelsea or Man United is because of the money then that's a weird mindset to be in.

So will Villa though?

Chelsea have a wage structure though. Their reported weekly wage on players is the same as Villa. Both £2.7m a week. Rogers reported wage right now would put him amongst the highest earners at all of those clubs.

He's on a reported £150,000 a week at Villa, so that doesn't check out.

Doesn't read like that though does it? Reads like he'd rather play for those clubs than Villa despite the CL qualification.

Cheers @Magpie Missed half a gameweek and still won by 17 points. All in a days work for Froggy. Just need Bruno G to come to us in the summer now and life is complete.

Think it was that year where you could sign Marcelo from Fluminense for cheap as well. Two world class full backs in no time.

They handled that perfectly as well. The decision was left entirely to Bruno.

Not really. I think Bruno has dealt with it incredibly well and that is more important, but Bruno is the best of the best so it wasn't surprising. Just a brilliant human. Keane set his stall out early with Bruno and is too stubborn to admit he is wrong. The last episode of the The Overlap Keane actually completely misquoted him and it was a shocking look. Not sure Keane understands just how loved Bruno is.

All that is doing is make Keane look like a twat to be fair.

Never seen this, but also never denied Mounts high wage. Notably, the champions league clause is being quoted on here though after insistence that it's not real. Funny that.

Only two windows now after an appeal. They can sign players this summer.

Onana available.

No Howe outers answered it how I wanted them to.

No chance.

Given the respective performances of each manager this season, would you swap Carrick for Howe? @Kid Icarus give me a second with this one.

Aye was thinking of the financial lawsuits from the relegated clubs etc. I don't think it's actually possible. Solskjaer is already a league champion in our hearts.