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His hold up play is terrible. You could probably have put any physical striker in his place and got similar or better results.

Wilson has just picked up his 4-5th injury of the season though. We have no youth strikers so will have to rely on wingers who we're also now short on. Shelvey's role isn't redundant if we have no other midfielders who are anywhere near as smart in possession. I feel like I'm having to make incredibly obvious points here, like both Shelvey and Wood would fairly obviously be good to have at this moment in time? How is this even debateable?

His statistics tell us otherwise though, he won loads in the air. 20p head or not Howe clearly wanted us to target him.

You're completely missing the point. Shelvey is massively underrated but Wood is obviously a shit Premier League striker, as I said in my post. However Howe never gave him 18 appearance this season for a laugh. If Wilson picks up another injury (or this one is worse than expected) we're left with Isak alone, nobody at all to tactically change things up top (think Keifer Moore vs USA) and an injury away from playing Anthony Gordon as a 9.

@Ronaldo touched on it yesterday I think like, but we lack a target up top to hit when we need to bypass midfield. Wood, as shit as he is allowed that last year. Obviously the money we got for him was too good to turn down, but losing both him and Shelvey will have a much bigger effect on the squad than people realise imo. Howe had no way to change the game yesterday once Gordon was forced on, both would have played a decent part (not saying we would have won like).

I think @joeyt succulently spelled it out a couple pages back We're doing great, but our striker and midfield situation is a pretty big fuckup. EDIT: Unless I've missed people saying he was a problem with the West Ham and Bournemouth games specifically like? Sorry if that's the case.

He played for Forrest yesterday and they believe they've signed the bald Pirlo. Having an experienced Premier League backup CDM on 80k pw for a year seems fine.

https://www.forestforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/jonjo-shelvey.51034/page-20

Keeping Shelvey improves our options in midfield massively like, I cannot see how anyone could believe it was a good idea to give him away.

Howe showed during the 1-2 year period from him leaving Bournemouth that he's able to learn incredible quickly. He went from being known as a defensive liability to being able to coach one of the best defences in Europe I cannot think of many managers I would trust to take us into Europe more.

Man Utd have a fixture pileup so hopefully we see the effects of that. Brighton look fantastic, I agree it's hard to see them dipping at the minute but once a team gets 'sussed' they tend to pick up a few unexpected draws and losses.

We were leggy and Bournemouth were really good, same as West Ham really. As disappointing as it is our results since the break aren't even THAT bad. We can still make top 4 and Man Utd, Brighton and Spurs will also go through more average/poor runs.

The only way FFP is impacted is if we buy poorly, which is down to bad scouting. I don't think Howe can take any blame really, what he's done with the squad is absolutely insane and he's obviously good at recognising players who he can work with, but he needs a lot more help.

Ridiculous you cannot appeal yellows like when they lead to a 2 game ban. 2 now he’s visibly won the ball and been booked.

4 midfields, one of which can pass a ball, and two strikers, one a sick note. It was absolutely stupid

Ref’s been absolutely horrible all game

Maxi is a fantastic passer in the final third.

Who else was he passing too?

Dyer sounds like he’s not doing well like

And that Wilson has a better all round game

Literally the opposite of everything he said

I actually like Adam P and that horrific flag is an example of why. I cannot even tell where the line is between him being a massive wind up and an absolute gimp anymore The more flags the better, there'll obviously be some cringe amongst them but it's a small price to pay for everyone getting involved.

3 points from Man City, Wolves, Liverpool & Palace was ridiculously harsh before Miggy started banging in worldies. As fortunate as we are for that run it did feel like those kinds of results were on the cards. I get the same feeling now, West Ham aside we’ve been playing well, it’s only a matter of time before it clicks again up top.

If Atsu had any sense he’d have told the firemen to put him back where they found him.

Actually one of the better Masterclass videos.