loki679

Best go get your gun then, soldier.

It fucking isn't though Jesus christ

So you want him to pat you on the head and tell you that turdy looking thing you've just put in his hand is the bestest fathers day mug ever? Dude just said we're not gonna be challenging the top clubs but we can have a go in the cups. Total overreaction to a fairly mild quote.

It's not innocuous though. If you constantly tell your partner / kids that they're not good enough, they'll eventually start to believe you and will achieve less. He's telling a whole city they're not good enough. He wants us to want less for ourselves. That's the club policy - Accept less. It starts from what the manager says, he's the mouthpiece of the club. Everyone should have aspirations. You should always try to get better, to improve, to be the very best you can. None of us should accept mediocrity, because the moment you do you're condemning yourself to just that. What constantly telling? He said we can't win the league but we might be able to get a cup. What do you disagree with in his statement?

You could take it as a statement of ambition. Acknowledging that we're not going to be competing with Liverpool or Manchester City this season isn't the crime of the century. Going after a cup is a decent goal for a club in our position with our current ownership and manager. Again, can any of you disagree with anything he's said in that quote? Why are you carrying on like you've not been around watching the situation intently for the last 12 years Ashley has been here? It's all about context rather than taking his quotes at face value. I've seen very similar quotes from Ashley and Pardew down the years but then we never even try in the cups, or ever have a vaguely exciting league season as the likes of Wolves have recently without breaking the top 6. I disagree with the quotes because there's no need to talk us down versus other clubs and I don't believe him regarding the cups. I just don't think we need to vilify the guy for a fairly innocuous quote stating the obvious when there's so much more to go after him with. Fucking ManDoon

You could take it as a statement of ambition. Acknowledging that we're not going to be competing with Liverpool or Manchester City this season isn't the crime of the century. Going after a cup is a decent goal for a club in our position with our current ownership and manager. Again, can any of you disagree with anything he's said in that quote?

But nobody is even debating that, but to have your manager come out before the season starts to remind us of it (adding the, great day out comment) just takes the piss. Part of the reason we can't compete in this league is the fact that we have the worst manager in the league now. Nar, it's not. He's come out and said exactly the same as us for the last ten years which is a pretty realistic assessment of our situation. If he'd said we were going to compete with the big boys this season he'd have got slated for that too. What he's said isn't particularly unreasonable considering our ownership situation, it seems no matter what he says he'll get stick. Fair enough, you might say but attacking him for a perfectly reasonable view on our prospects diminishes the effect of the actual bad stuff like attacking the fans protest. Crucify the man for attacking the fans, for the shite way he's treated a decent club who gave him a chance. Crucify him when the season starts and we're adrift before Christmas, for taking Ashley's money to help run his boyhood club into the ground. For saying our best chance of a trophy is a cup? Just pettiness. The difference between Bruce and Rafa is that Rafa would always say what a big city this was, what potential the club had, how he wanted to build something and that he did believe that, given the right resources and backing, the club absolutely COULD compete in the league. Then Bruce comes in and immediately declares a complete lack of ambition, no intent to build anything, and that the best we can hope for is a cup run in competitions the ownership of the club have publicly disdained for over a decade. It's shit. You've got one person looking at last year's 13th place finish and saying we can push on into the top 10, and you've got another looking at it and saying "look, we finished 13th, therefore we're 13th best and should just avoid relegation. Aye, and which one is right? With Ashley in charge we'll never challenge the top clubs, directing your ire at Bruce for some fairly innocuous soundbites is missing the target. No one expects us to challenge the top clubs, but we should be looking to challenge the ones just below that rather than looking to survive. Everton, Leicester, West Ham, etc. So Everton, Leicester and west ham are the big boys at the top end? Are they happy with 17th? That's not the point. We were discussing Bruce's quote, not the ambition of those clubs. The quotes are attached to the level of hope we have. Under Rafa we had a hope that we might attempt to compete and improve. Under Bruce we have a hope that we stay in the league. Bravo for sticking to your guns over this btw, I think plenty of people have given extremely good reasons why people are pissed off by the quotes for you to understand it by now, so I'm assuming you just feel strongly enough that you're happy with Bruce's "little club" opinion. Again, your 'little club' strawman won't stand, I haven't said that and it's not what I believe. Let me ask you, what is our best chance of a trophy this season?

But nobody is even debating that, but to have your manager come out before the season starts to remind us of it (adding the, great day out comment) just takes the piss. Part of the reason we can't compete in this league is the fact that we have the worst manager in the league now. Nar, it's not. He's come out and said exactly the same as us for the last ten years which is a pretty realistic assessment of our situation. If he'd said we were going to compete with the big boys this season he'd have got slated for that too. What he's said isn't particularly unreasonable considering our ownership situation, it seems no matter what he says he'll get stick. Fair enough, you might say but attacking him for a perfectly reasonable view on our prospects diminishes the effect of the actual bad stuff like attacking the fans protest. Crucify the man for attacking the fans, for the shite way he's treated a decent club who gave him a chance. Crucify him when the season starts and we're adrift before Christmas, for taking Ashley's money to help run his boyhood club into the ground. For saying our best chance of a trophy is a cup? Just pettiness. The difference between Bruce and Rafa is that Rafa would always say what a big city this was, what potential the club had, how he wanted to build something and that he did believe that, given the right resources and backing, the club absolutely COULD compete in the league. Then Bruce comes in and immediately declares a complete lack of ambition, no intent to build anything, and that the best we can hope for is a cup run in competitions the ownership of the club have publicly disdained for over a decade. It's shit. You've got one person looking at last year's 13th place finish and saying we can push on into the top 10, and you've got another looking at it and saying "look, we finished 13th, therefore we're 13th best and should just avoid relegation. Aye, and which one is right? With Ashley in charge we'll never challenge the top clubs, directing your ire at Bruce for some fairly innocuous soundbites is missing the target. No one expects us to challenge the top clubs, but we should be looking to challenge the ones just below that rather than looking to survive. Everton, Leicester, West Ham, etc. So Everton, Leicester and west ham are the big boys at the top end? Are they happy with 17th? That's not the point. We were discussing Bruce's quote, not the ambition of those clubs.

But nobody is even debating that, but to have your manager come out before the season starts to remind us of it (adding the, great day out comment) just takes the piss. Part of the reason we can't compete in this league is the fact that we have the worst manager in the league now. Nar, it's not. He's come out and said exactly the same as us for the last ten years which is a pretty realistic assessment of our situation. If he'd said we were going to compete with the big boys this season he'd have got slated for that too. What he's said isn't particularly unreasonable considering our ownership situation, it seems no matter what he says he'll get stick. Fair enough, you might say but attacking him for a perfectly reasonable view on our prospects diminishes the effect of the actual bad stuff like attacking the fans protest. Crucify the man for attacking the fans, for the shite way he's treated a decent club who gave him a chance. Crucify him when the season starts and we're adrift before Christmas, for taking Ashley's money to help run his boyhood club into the ground. For saying our best chance of a trophy is a cup? Just pettiness. The difference between Bruce and Rafa is that Rafa would always say what a big city this was, what potential the club had, how he wanted to build something and that he did believe that, given the right resources and backing, the club absolutely COULD compete in the league. Then Bruce comes in and immediately declares a complete lack of ambition, no intent to build anything, and that the best we can hope for is a cup run in competitions the ownership of the club have publicly disdained for over a decade. It's shit. You've got one person looking at last year's 13th place finish and saying we can push on into the top 10, and you've got another looking at it and saying "look, we finished 13th, therefore we're 13th best and should just avoid relegation. Aye, and which one is right? With Ashley in charge we'll never challenge the top clubs, directing your ire at Bruce for some fairly innocuous soundbites is missing the target. No one expects us to challenge the top clubs, but we should be looking to challenge the ones just below that rather than looking to survive. Everton, Leicester, West Ham, etc. So Everton, Leicester and west ham are the big boys at the top end?

But nobody is even debating that, but to have your manager come out before the season starts to remind us of it (adding the, great day out comment) just takes the piss. Part of the reason we can't compete in this league is the fact that we have the worst manager in the league now. Nar, it's not. He's come out and said exactly the same as us for the last ten years which is a pretty realistic assessment of our situation. If he'd said we were going to compete with the big boys this season he'd have got slated for that too. What he's said isn't particularly unreasonable considering our ownership situation, it seems no matter what he says he'll get stick. Fair enough, you might say but attacking him for a perfectly reasonable view on our prospects diminishes the effect of the actual bad stuff like attacking the fans protest. Crucify the man for attacking the fans, for the shite way he's treated a decent club who gave him a chance. Crucify him when the season starts and we're adrift before Christmas, for taking Ashley's money to help run his boyhood club into the ground. For saying our best chance of a trophy is a cup? Just pettiness. The difference between Bruce and Rafa is that Rafa would always say what a big city this was, what potential the club had, how he wanted to build something and that he did believe that, given the right resources and backing, the club absolutely COULD compete in the league. Then Bruce comes in and immediately declares a complete lack of ambition, no intent to build anything, and that the best we can hope for is a cup run in competitions the ownership of the club have publicly disdained for over a decade. It's shit. You've got one person looking at last year's 13th place finish and saying we can push on into the top 10, and you've got another looking at it and saying "look, we finished 13th, therefore we're 13th best and should just avoid relegation. Aye, and which one is right? With Ashley in charge we'll never challenge the top clubs, directing your ire at Bruce for some fairly innocuous soundbites is missing the target.

But nobody is even debating that, but to have your manager come out before the season starts to remind us of it (adding the, great day out comment) just takes the piss. Part of the reason we can't compete in this league is the fact that we have the worst manager in the league now. Nar, it's not. He's come out and said exactly the same as us for the last ten years which is a pretty realistic assessment of our situation. If he'd said we were going to compete with the big boys this season he'd have got slated for that too. What he's said isn't particularly unreasonable considering our ownership situation, it seems no matter what he says he'll get stick. Fair enough, you might say but attacking him for a perfectly reasonable view on our prospects diminishes the effect of the actual bad stuff like attacking the fans protest. Crucify the man for attacking the fans, for the shite way he's treated a decent club who gave him a chance. Crucify him when the season starts and we're adrift before Christmas, for taking Ashley's money to help run his boyhood club into the ground. For saying our best chance of a trophy is a cup? Just pettiness.

Finishing position in the PL: 15th Best chance of a trophy: League Cup

Go look at the predictions thread, how many are picking us to get in the top four? Top six? What's our best chance of a trophy this season? In fact let's take a quick straw poll. Finishing position in the PL: Best chance of a trophy:

See my sig. If I heard that I'd be worked up. Plus its not like he's an unknown quantity, he's been a manager for years and I've watched his teams, and heard his bollocks on MOTD. I'm fairly sure listening to him talk wont change my opinons So you're saying we can compete with Liverpool, Manchester City, Spurs etc and a cup isn't our best chance of a trophy? We've made a conscious decision to stop trying to compete with the "big clubs". That's the issue. We're all sensible enough to know that 12 years of Mike Ashley running the clubs means that we can't currently compete. Aye, I appreciate that, with decent owners we could be a lot more than we currently are but as an evaluation of our current situation you can't really argue with it. Ask any Newcastle fan and they'd probably say the same.

See my sig. If I heard that I'd be worked up. Plus its not like he's an unknown quantity, he's been a manager for years and I've watched his teams, and heard his bollocks on MOTD. I'm fairly sure listening to him talk wont change my opinons So you're saying we can compete with Liverpool, Manchester City, Spurs etc and a cup isn't our best chance of a trophy?

About £64m a season then not taking outgoings into account. Doesn't seem massively excessive for an ambitious PL club.

That bloke was good, proper knacker on before him though.

Durham is talking about him on talksport in a minute. Drink every time you hear the phrase ‘give him a chance’.

Greggs have announced a 58% rise in pre-tax profits. Just saying.

Can I shake it all about?

This black and white, us and them absolutist stance really isn't healthy.

:lol:

A relegation won't do much if we go straight back up due to the parachute payments. We'd need to be down there a while, every year we don't go up the more power the fans gain. After 3 years without promotion the bulk of the clubs income comes from gate receipts.

Spot on. Little sod hides from the ball too. Got so sick of seeing us in possession and, rather than make space for a pass, he'd run to the nearest opposition player effectively marking himself out of the game.

Let's be optimistic, maybe Darlow is going.