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So how do they get out of this? Do nothing? Ain't going to work now, they have to make a decision and take a side. They're not fit for purpose and need to be reformed. Abolish the PL and bring the whole shebang back under the purview of either the FA or the government. If the big clubs cry and f*** off to form a european super borefest then all the better. I like the sentiment but it would actually destroy the English game Debatable. Putting aside that a European Super League is unlikely to ever happen for several reasons, it's entirely reasonable to conclude that the top 6 need English football more than the rest of English football needs the top 6.

This is it. When you cut through the noise, the outrage (from all angles) and the bulllshit, this is what it's ultimately going to come down to. If there's no credible legal comeback on rejecting or refusing to make a decision then there is no way the PL are going to approve or negotiate potentially doing so in good faith.

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My theory is (and this is based on the square root of fuck all other than gut feeling) that they hope to ratchet the pressure up on the PL. The PL see the letters from MPs, columns from serious journalists pointing out how flawed the process has been, dissussions surrounding an independent body to apply the O&D tests etc etc and realise it's not going to jusy blow over and they need to engage with this properly and stop taking the piss. Once that has happened I'm hoping that Staveley will have something up her sleeve, ideally in the form of another concession from the Saudis, that will allow the PL to approve the deal but also save face at the same time. I can't see that it's going to get approved without an olive branch of some sort from the consortium. On the other hand it appears the PL will do anything to drag it on as opposed to rejecting and having to defend their decision on appeal. So either way the alternative of sitting doing nothing needs to be made as unpalatable as possible.

This is not true. It's been repeated many (many) times, but it's not true. Strictly speaking. According to the rules, every club that wins promotion must submit their directors to the PL O&D test: However, immediately above this is another curiosity: It strikes me, and I've said this before, the problem isn't that the rules aren't being followed. It's that they're not being followed equitably. Because, by my reading of that, each club has to list all their directors (and owners and controlling interests) and declare that they are fit and proper persons to be a director in the PL. (NB "Fit and proper person" in this context means has not committed any "disqualifying events" that would prevent him from being a director)

Nails it. The PL don't appear to have applied the test in the spirit in which it was drawn up at all. And is this why they won’t reject it because they would lose the appeal. Even if this pressure makes them make a decision and reject it, that maybe is what the consortium are after. As far as I can see that's what the consortium's gameplan is now. Kick up enough of a fuss that the PL has to make a decision one way or the other. If it's s no- which it likely will be without any further concessions- then they have an appealable decision they can take to CAS

From that full statement it looked like he was sitting on the fence tbh and supporting both sides. probably can't say much more publicly in case of being accused of government interference in football which brings down fifa like a ton of bricks True but I would have thought if the takeover going through was so important to him he would have stepped in by now and told the PL they need to approve. with what leverage though? He could try and put a bit of pressure behind the scenes or whatever but he can't order them to do it The only leverage the PL recognises- revenue streams. For example the Government is in charge of when spectators are allowed back into stadiums and to what extent and the PL will be keen to get as many back in as soon as possible and won't want to piss them off. For clarification I'm not saying that's what the PM will, could or should do but that's an example just off the top of my head of the leverage the Government can have over the EPL without ordering them to do something.

Nails it. The PL don't appear to have applied the test in the spirit in which it was drawn up at all.

I presume Crayon was already taken. Is Ryder on the forum like?

This is one of the dafter angles (and they're all pretty daft) being pushed. There doesn't need to be any shadowy links between the Premier League and Qatar - Qatar pump 100s of millions of pounds into the Premier League's coffers every year as a result of the beIN deal. That's the financial link that's important and it's in the public domain. Everything else is conspiratorial fantasy that will come to absolutely nothing. This. People seem to think that it's illegitimate for the premier league to listen to concerns of a major customer. Of course they do, it's not shady it's the real world and if say some business i was in a long term contract did formed a partnership with someone who was stealing from me, of course it would be a problem. There's no doubt in my mind that that precise commercial reality is what has dictated the PLs attitude in how they've applied the test to this takeover. Thing is, there's nothing in the O&D test (as far as I understand, happy to be corrected if there is) that says it can fail because the prospective owners have (or maybe that should say "are connected to an organisation which has") upset one of the league's commercial partners. I'd bet everything I have that after this is done and dusted it will swiftly be updated to include such a clause mind.

Add Lindon Gooch and Donald Love if they're still there and you've got the cast of a porno nobody wants to see. Donald Does Dallas Stuart Dallas?? Not a chance he's dropping two divisions to sign for these.

Very good, but what the PL seems to have completely overlooked in all this is even if the PL accepted MBS as a director of PIF, as the Crown Prince, does he really have the inclination to get involved in the politics of running a football club, when he has a massive country to run. Anyway why doesn't PIF set up a limited company in Al Rumayan's name and make him the owner/managing director/Chairman of that company and have that company buy us, in much the same way Sheikh Mansoor did with Man City. That would sever any direct link to the SA government and MBS. Everyone knows that the club belongs to Mansoor, and if he told them to sell the club to a third party and place the money into his bank account it would be done. If they're contending that MBS ultimately controls PIF then PIF establishing another company in someone else's name only wouldn't solve the matter if that company is controlled by PIF as PL would argue that MBS still controls that company via PIF. The Mansoor comparison is an interesting one and one that I'm sure the PL are not finding very helpful at the moment!!!

Yep. This is what sticks in the craw for me- that was probably the one singular event which signalled the start of Newcastles fall from grace (although of course since then it has nearly all been self-inflicted.) Without missing out on the top 4 in 2003/4 Robson doesn't get sacked, there's no Souness nearly bankrupting the club whilst simultaneously ruining the first team squad beyond all recognition and potentially no Mike Ashley. IIRC nobody from Newcastle ever came out and said Chelseas takeover wasn't fair or immoral, we just got on with trying (badly) to complete. So why should other clubs get the chance to whinge on and influence matters when we're in a similar position?

Add Lindon Gooch and Donald Love if they're still there and you've got the cast of a porno nobody wants to see.

Correct. The only avenue for appeal would, I imagine be CAS. Problem is, you can't launch an appeal if they don't make a decision. *insert Eddie Murphy gif here*

Think they shy away from making that claim these days, just in case

I'm in the same camp here. He does have the flair and composure of a better player but I'm rarely wow'd by anything he does, other than his ability to win freekicks at a canter. I think he gets too hung up on this most fouled player thing and plays for it too often to the detriment of his game. He's much more effective when he's trying to move the ball on quickly then get himself forward between the lines showing for a return pass.

Apparently the 9 clubs weren't opposing the appeal itself, they were opposing any potential application by Man City to compete in the CL pending the outcome of the appeal. All academic in the end as appeal was heard before the end of the 19/20 season. Fuck knows why other clubs get a say in it though, or why on God's green earth we decided it affected us and we needed to get involved.

Merit to this - calling “mine” is a yellow card in Australia, right from Under 7s to, I’m pretty sure, semi-pro level (at least) EDIT Actually, it’s only a free kick until U11s, because little kids don’t get cards here... Does that rule apply to everyone, even if they're going for the ball themselves? When I did my ref's training (in 1998 so a while back) it was only a yellow card for ungentlemanly conduct if you were stood behind an opponent and said it dishonestly to make them leave it. Packed reffing in a couple years later so not up to date with the nuances in the rules. I'd also add that even in the 90s every coach of every youth team, even those that just seemed to coach the kids to cheat rather than play football, was telling their players to "put a name on it" rather than shouting "mine." Sorry if that's a daft question.

It is happening on Monday, as I have said many times. The MANORPARKIANS Group, are never wrong! OK, if it goes through tomorrow I will join your cult.

Not quite as bad but Blackburn tanked pretty badly the season after they won it iirc. Only down to 7th. Leicester was worse, down to 12th. Tbf 7th isn't alll that bad- still underperforming for the squad they had - but for some reason my teenage memory had them floating around lower mid-table having a proper shocker.

Not quite as bad but Blackburn tanked pretty badly the season after they won it iirc.