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We do the double over Sheff United 5-0 combined. Leicester do the double over us 8-0 combined. Football was good though

You agree with him? Better football under Carver? I can’t remember tbh. I’d say it’s comparable though, but luckily ASM and Almiron have flashes of brilliance. Can't remember lol. Okay then. Oh, I remember us being shite, but I can’t remember what system he had us playing. I’ll go back and watch some of it on YouTube though. No real need to laugh though, it was 5 years ago and I’ve had a child since then We lost 8 in a row. What do you need to remember? You’re extremely results driven aren’t you. I thought the question was about the quality of the football? So we lost 8 in a row and the standard of football was good? 3 wins in 20 games but we played reasonably well? Come on man. I don’t understand why you can’t see beyond the result though. Plenty of teams have played nice football and been relegated (even Norwich play better football than we do). It’s not difficult to grasp the concept that you can play nice football but still lose, but I do accept that you just want us to avoid relegation each season. Probably why you were such a fan of pardew I guess. Finally someone who understands the difference between decent football an winning football. Yes we'd all like mostly winning football, but if it still producing losing football and looking crap at the same time...that's the purgatory we've had all throughout Ashley tenure

I would say it's a reasonable and fair comparison having watched this season

Someone posted earlier that we play with no game plan and this is bang on. We actually just seem to react to whatever the opposition do. We do not press, don't hit on the break and the overall movement of the team is non existent. When we have possession it's like give it to Saint and hope for the best. I actually think we have some good players but we play with no direction or plan. That's all down to coaching and management. I really wish we could sack Bruce with immediate effect, that's what I feel about him right now. A total fraud who appears to have LOTS of friends in the media brainwashing people. I said there was no plan, as soon as we get the ball they just pressed us to the half way line and let us kick it about in front of them, then it's sideways, backwards, sideways, back to the keeper, hoof and defend, so predictable, so easy to play against, they figured us out after 30 minutes and Bruce couldn't change it. Was talking about it last night against samptime. The plan is to stick 10 behind the ball, and hope the other team makes a mistake and get them on counter. Pure cowardice aimed at trying not to lose rather than win. Apparently this made me a moron though. I really wouldn’t pay any mind to him. He’s really just a voice in the wilderness with maybe one other poster who agrees with him. He’s decent in the games thread though :shrug: Listen up you Fanny. He said Carver played better football than Bruce because sometimes under Carver we had more than 35% possession. I provided evidence that is the last 7 games excluding City we had 45% to 62% possession. We also had 52% possession against Watford today. I am not accepting incorrect factual information. Make your argument fine but don't lie about stats to make your argument. Misinformation is snide and unacceptable. Long and the short of it is as bad as Carver was and he was dire mind, he still served up better football than we've seen this season. The stuff this year for the majority ( a few recent games aside which seem to be the whole basis of your 'facts') has been some of the poorest most consistently cowardly and embarrassing performances I've seen in 30 odd years. Plus, calling someone a fanny because they disagree with you does not make your deluded opinion more valid You literally said Carver played better football because sometimes we had more than 35% possession under him. I haven't looked back throughout the season. I looked back over our last 8 games excluding City and we had much more possession than 35% in every single game. Therefore proving your point wrong. The fucking Twilight zone here. Carver lost 8 in a row. We were pure garbage under him. LV: no hiding on this one. Do you agree that we played better football under Carver? Once again....Yes carver was absolutely shite, but he still had better football than this team. Yes results were worse, but at least you could see what they were trying (but failing) to do. Results wise Carver was as bad as it gets, but it was still more entertaining and hopeful than the bilge that is being sent out week after week this season

Get called worse by my mother

Someone posted earlier that we play with no game plan and this is bang on. We actually just seem to react to whatever the opposition do. We do not press, don't hit on the break and the overall movement of the team is non existent. When we have possession it's like give it to Saint and hope for the best. I actually think we have some good players but we play with no direction or plan. That's all down to coaching and management. I really wish we could sack Bruce with immediate effect, that's what I feel about him right now. A total fraud who appears to have LOTS of friends in the media brainwashing people. I said there was no plan, as soon as we get the ball they just pressed us to the half way line and let us kick it about in front of them, then it's sideways, backwards, sideways, back to the keeper, hoof and defend, so predictable, so easy to play against, they figured us out after 30 minutes and Bruce couldn't change it. Was talking about it last night against samptime. The plan is to stick 10 behind the ball, and hope the other team makes a mistake and get them on counter. Pure cowardice aimed at trying not to lose rather than win. Apparently this made me a moron though. I really wouldn’t pay any mind to him. He’s really just a voice in the wilderness with maybe one other poster who agrees with him. He’s decent in the games thread though :shrug: Listen up you Fanny. He said Carver played better football than Bruce because sometimes under Carver we had more than 35% possession. I provided evidence that is the last 7 games excluding City we had 45% to 62% possession. We also had 52% possession against Watford today. I am not accepting incorrect factual information. Make your argument fine but don't lie about stats to make your argument. Misinformation is snide and unacceptable. Long and the short of it is as bad as Carver was and he was dire mind, he still served up better football than we've seen this season. The stuff this year for the majority ( a few recent games aside which seem to be the whole basis of your 'facts') has been some of the poorest most consistently cowardly and embarrassing performances I've seen in 30 odd years. Plus, calling someone a fanny because they disagree with you does not make your deluded opinion more valid. It suggests pure defensiveness which suggests you agree with them at heart but don't want to admit for whatever reason you might be holding dear to yourself. You're not Alex Bruce are you?

Someone posted earlier that we play with no game plan and this is bang on. We actually just seem to react to whatever the opposition do. We do not press, don't hit on the break and the overall movement of the team is non existent. When we have possession it's like give it to Saint and hope for the best. I actually think we have some good players but we play with no direction or plan. That's all down to coaching and management. I really wish we could sack Bruce with immediate effect, that's what I feel about him right now. A total fraud who appears to have LOTS of friends in the media brainwashing people. I said there was no plan, as soon as we get the ball they just pressed us to the half way line and let us kick it about in front of them, then it's sideways, backwards, sideways, back to the keeper, hoof and defend, so predictable, so easy to play against, they figured us out after 30 minutes and Bruce couldn't change it. Was talking about it last night against samptime. The plan is to stick 10 behind the ball, and hope the other team makes a mistake and get them on counter. Pure cowardice aimed at trying not to lose rather than win. Apparently this made me a moron though.

You've done well this half lads....have some bacon sandwiches in fried bread as a half time treat

Don't tell samp

If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Not this knacker using "facts" again. We can't play against 10 men all the time you know. Two recent games. Palace away game 56% possession. Burnley home game 54% possession. Facts back up your argument. You should try it sometime. I find facts can distort the truth sometimes. I'm a good believer in using common sense and my own judgement on subjects I'm well versed in. You should try sometime it instead of acting like a robot. You believe we played better football under Carver? 15% win ratio, 8 losses in a row, and 3 total wins in 20 games, but we played better football than we do now? Do you agree with gjohnson? Try reading the post properly again you plum. Never said Carver was any good cos he wasn't, he was utter garbage, but he didn't send out a starting eleven to cower in their own half and hope the other team made a balls up and conceded You said: " If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession." I provided evidence that is the last 7 games (excluding City) our possession stats were 45% to 62%. Do you see why you look a moron now? Even Rod doesn't agree with you on this. Even my good friend LV wouldn't agree with you on this one. Carver was the worst manager we've had in my lifetime. Worst football, worst manager. This point isn't up for debate. And you have still completely and utterly missed the point. Quite impressive really

If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Not this knacker using "facts" again. We can't play against 10 men all the time you know. Two recent games. Palace away game 56% possession. Burnley home game 54% possession. Facts back up your argument. You should try it sometime. I find facts can distort the truth sometimes. I'm a good believer in using common sense and my own judgement on subjects I'm well versed in. You should try sometime it instead of acting like a robot. You believe we played better football under Carver? 15% win ratio, 8 losses in a row, and 3 total wins in 20 games, but we played better football than we do now? Do you agree with gjohnson? Try reading the post properly again you plum. Never said Carver was any good cos he wasn't, he was utter garbage, but he didn't send out a starting eleven to cower in their own half and hope the other team made a balls up and conceded

If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team. Loved Carver's free flowing football. Tasty on the eye and we got results. :lol: Recent games possession: Southampton away 62% Sheffield United home 46% Villa home 52% Bournemouth 45% West Ham home 57% Every game above 35%. Yes we don't usually have much of the ball, but you can't argue Carver was better, because he sometimes got above 35% possession. Use facts, use evidence in your arguments man. Read the post properly. Not saying Carver was any good as he clearly wasn't, but the football was still better than anything served up by your mate Steve.

About 30th. He's right in that group of Warnock, Curbishley, Pardew, Dowie, Moyes, Hughes etc (the PFMs) that fit perfectly for getting championship sides promoted then struggling in the topflight. Basically a manager you'd be happy to see at any team you weren't supporting

If you look at the table and the table alone, then technically Bruce has not done a bad job. If you look at the actual football that is played then it's been a worse job than even Carver pulled off....at least a few of his attempts at managing games got above 35% possession. The only time a respectable football team should win a match like that is if it's a 2nd/3rd division team against one of the top six and it's been a massively hard fought shock. No topflight premiership team should be sitting in their own 18 yard box for 3/4 of every game regardless of opposition and expect to get any results other than through luck. Bruce has had us playing like a league 1 side, scared to death of every other team they've come up against (except for maybe Bournemouth). No modern manager should have only one plan that consists of putting 10 men behind the ball every game and hoping to score a goal on a counter attack. Fine against top half teams, but when it's against relegation candidates its pure cowardice and being more concerned with not losing than winning. This should not be considered acceptable by anyone who wants the best for their team.

Wasn't it against Alaves? Pretty sure he had at least two games that ended up 4-4 that he got to by throwing strikers on

We're safe man, why so ANGRY? We got beat here 6-1, and 5-0 a few seasons ago. Liverpool have just been beaten 4-0 here and they've lost 2 games all season. We have been terrible like, but let's not pretend 4-0 is some abysmal score that never happens to us here (or other better teams). It's weird though - when other teams lose here 4 or 5-0, they don't appear to be as bad as we've been tonight. We can't string 3 passes together. We all expected to get thrashed tonight, but why? Because that's our expectation these days under this owner and manager. Cos we can't string 3 passes together against the bottom 3 let alone one of the best in the league

Eh? Forlan's already retired. My bad. Didn't know and thought he was still going in Asia somewhere

Ian Rush just might have managed it depending on when his last goal was in 99-00 season. Got to be a fair few lower league players that have done this. If Diego Forlan carries on for another 2 years he could do it

Struggling...thought Sheringham or Maldini might have done it, but they only managed 3 decades. The Roger Milla popped to mind! And yes, Ibrahimovic just manages it due to his first goals in 99 Thought about Romario but he retired in 2009. Need a career of over 20 years which starts in a year ending 8 or 9 so it’s about luck just as much as longevity Thought Giggs might have managed it, but he's a year short. Same with Gary Speed...almost got it

Struggling...thought Sheringham or Maldini might have done it, but they only managed 3 decades. The Roger Milla popped to mind! And yes, Ibrahimovic just manages it due to his first goals in 99

I doubt anyone would actually be surprised if this turned out to be true

So we've earlier turned against Amnesty, now it's come to smearing Khashoggi and his wife. And thats before they've even taken over. Wonder what is next? USA deserved 9/11? Bin Laden was an upstanding citizen and a courageous freedom fighter? All those Yemeni children deserved to die? People have gone completely mad, and it's as bizarre as it is tragic. Oh please......... the whole reason people are up in arms is because for 14 weeks, everyone continues to throw shit at us. Its only natural that people object and start to fight back. Bring on the Saudis ownership, hope they are so pissed off they go all out to make NUFC a success. Will I think about piracy, Amnesta or Cengiz whilst I am enjoying the success.......no but then again I didn't think about it before the take over. Its for the Government to sort out with their counterparts in KSA, nothing to do with football! To attack a widow and accuse her of being a Qatari pawn isn't natural in any way. It's completely delusional, and shows how far people on here are willing to bend to defend one of the worst regimes on this planet. Attacking her is out of line, but accusing her of being a pawn is perfectly logical and natural, given that her fiance was murdered almost 2 years ago yet she's only appeared in the media in any meaningful way objecting to KSA business practices in the last 3 months

Wow...they've spent some serious money on quite a lot of dross. Why isn't more made of this as that makes it look like they're seriously underachieving? We whinge about £40m on Joelinton, but imagine if we'd spent that kind of money on basically a whole team!

Would have to be Italy to complete the set, so that basically means Juve, Milan, or Inter. Can't see him doing Portugal or Netherlands, so beyond that it would either be China or US chasing the money

A lot of the games this season at home have been pretty shit. Pretty boring. But clearly, we're hard to beat at home. I think 6 home wins is acceptable, considering we're on 26 points from 17 games. Last season we lost 10 home games, and ended up on 25 points. I think 6 home wins is acceptable for a side who are happy with mediocrity. Every team should be aiming to win most of their home games, and not less than half 6 wins with 0 draws isn't good enough. 6 wins with 8 draws is acceptable. Were you happier last season when we won 8 home games but had less home points than this season? Yes, because there looked to be a coherent plan and no where near as reliant on luck as this season has. The entertainment was also far higher which is kind of the point in the first place. Sitting watching a team that is scared to venture into the opposition half and even at home is no fun. Watching a team that can't keep possession for more than 1 minute at a time is no fun. Watching at team that gets a corner and instead of attacking passes back to their own goal keeper is embarrassing. Watching a team getting schooled by the far and away relegation favourites is nothing to be happy with. Relying on other teams not performing and getting the odd lucky result is not a sustainable method. Luck runs out, and what's that? oh, low and behold a team is sitting in the relegation zone hoping to pull off a result on the last day which might keep them up only for a duff deflection to welcome the cold embrace of the championship We lost our first 5 home games last season. Let's be honest we were shit the first 11 home games of the season. Won 2 Drew 1 Lost 8 games. We had scored 7 goals in 11 home games. I remember the Brighton 1-0 loss at home. We played shit. West Ham 3-0 loss at home. We played shit. Fulham 0-0 at home. We had zero shots on target. We were beyond shit. We were very good in last 8 home games of season, and the entertainment level was a lot higher than this season - but the first 11 home games was shit and not entertaining. Samptime29 is right here mind. We paint over it because it was Rafa, but the first half of our home form last season was fucking awful and the football was lifting. Rafa got plenty of stick from certain people on here mind. But there was always hope with Rafa; he was trying to build something. What's Bruce doing to improve us long term? This....we might have lost more but at least there was clear signs of tactics and a plan, which did work after a bit of time. What's Bruce's gameplan? Genuinely? If it's 'defend and hope for a bit of magic' then he doesn't deserve any credit at all. I could do that