HaydnNUFC

Both have a chopper and own football clubs, one is great and spends money, the other is a utter tosser who has deliberately sabotaged his own club. Pretty easy to see the relation really. Comparisons to Ashley are understandable given how he seems to be a polar opposite owner to Vichnai, but social norms dictate that at a time when people are upset, want to grieve, or pay their respects, it's poor taste to be using tragedies like this to make a point or air your own grievances against someone or something else not directly related to the incident. On an internet forum that translates to keeping Ashley comparisons out of this thread. Even if you don't agree with those social norms, as I do, it's the way it is - using tragedies to point score will raise ire and disgust. Aye totally agree for the reasons you so well stated. Unfortunately this desperately sad accident was a gift horse for idiots on social media, sometimes i wonder if people even care about what they say or do anymore. The online disinhibtion effect. It's everywhere now.

I can't see us staying down. He'll bring in one of his bell end mates as manager who is garbage but okay enough at Championship level. He'll loan the club more cash for a transfer and wage budget. We'll come back up with increased debt to Ashley and the cycle starts again. The club will just be incredibly easier to despise with no Rafa. For us to stay down we'll all have to pray that we are shite. Like Stoke this year or Villa in years gone by.

I agree with ElCid here tbh. It's the Ashley cycle. - 2+ seasons in PL - Relegation - Ashley 'loans' the club more money - Debt to fat Ash has now increased - Promotion - Penny pinching in the PL - Repeat He'll sell when he wants to sell, it's the MG's and more importantly us fans' job to make his life as owner as miserable as possible by protests and attacking his business(es) to bring that day closer.

Yeah, but 'waste of time' ffs. How some can think that is genuinely beyond me. I'd much rather try my bollocks off and fail than sit there and take it and watch that horrid bastard kill this club more than he already has.

Only v Chelsea and Man City did we play in the incredibly negative way the media love to stick the boot on our throat for. Against Tottenham we deserved a point at least, though the lack of quality and thus lack of efficiency in our transition and final pass in the last third has been gaping in the 0-0s. I do agree with your point on the whole but I personally think it's due to results mixed with horrid performances (Leicester, second half v Arsenal) and the rancid atmosphere about the club atm. Had the pen gone in at Cardiff I think we'd be looking at a totally different mood around the place.

Similar problems were still rearing their head in some games in that run and even after it. Burnley (a) L 0-1 Bournemouth (h) L 0-1 Everton (h) L 0-1 Arsenal (a) L 0-1 Brighton (h) D 0-0 Swansea (h) D 1-1 We also got punished like fuck at home to Watford, away at Man United and at Chelsea for defensive errors. That mixed with a misfiring forward line, despite scoring in those two away games, is a similar issue to now.

We won't be the next Derby. I know it's really easy to feel that way because things are absolutely rancid atm, just as they were when we had that run November-December last year when we went winless in 9, losing 5 home games on the bounce, and not winning a home match between October and February last season. A spawny win like West Ham away last year will come from nowhere and end the run, could be Saturday, could be Bournemouth, who the hell knows. It all feels worse than then because we had the (misleading) hope of the Staveley takeover. Now, we've got nowt and that's feeding onto the pitch. That is down to the fat cunt and his mates at the top.

Lush finish from Martial.

Nah, was more that he said Spurs and Tottenham are different teams.

"You can't judge Arsenal until they've played Man United, Spurs and Tottenham." - Souness Insightful stuff.

Agreed. I genuinely believe Rafa will find us a small run of victories this side of Xmas but fuck knows if that'll be enough. 3 wins in a row for Brighton is effectively 25% of the way to survival in 3 game weeks. We need that. Now. There are a few fundamental problems with this football team imho. 1) Nobody to score goals which is a major fuck up. 2) Both full backs give us fuck all in the final third. 3) There is no playmaker sitting in the final third. 4 new signings and we'd be revolutionised. Not that it'll happen.

That run ended when we got a spawny win away at West Ham, which no one expected. It'll come from nowhere.

Big Brexit Mark Noble with a proper Brexit tackle. True patriot.

Can't personally. They'll back him in January if they are where they are now at Christmas.

Next 2 games are home games (we've lost every home game thus far) against in form Watford and in form Bournemouth. I don't think we're turning the corner any time soon unfortunately.

Would be okay if we could win home matches.

Spurs away last season was quite short. A match thread wasn't even made for that.

Shane L ng

We'd be 3 or 4 down already by this stage under that twat, man. Loved a good thrashing at Southampton.

Diame off for Ki.

Ando losing his blob with how shite we are.

Rondon for Perez.