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Steve Bruce won manager of the month here like. Its hardly an irrefutable measure.

I'd be sorry to lose Gordon. Probably only Bruno and Hall would suck more..

I can believe that. The weakness in defence for me is mostly from how easy we are to convert against. Not that we come under sustained pressure. Which is probably just as well.

Yeah its no good avoiding the obvious problem that is our defence. To the naked eye its looked frail and easy to score against all season relative to how we have to slog away for a goal 6 more games than Spurs doesn't automatically mean conceding 2 in every one. Or twelve more goals in the two more games than Chelsea. They've played PSG and Arsenal twice in that time as well as Man City Even taking Barcelona out the equation we'll have conceded the most. Elche and Bilbao have played them too and Wolfsburg lost 8-1 to Bayern.

My concern is that I just cant make a case for doing close to what's needed in the summer. I expect to lose one or two of our better players on top what's already a big to do list. So I expect to go into next season similarly half-cocked to this one - I think we'll improve regardless but doubt we'll improve enough (cant make a case for challenging for the CL e.g.). Otherwise I'd say he most probably could turn it around too.

I personally havent made one. I just think its reasonable for people to question the manager and boo the team at this point without getting slaughtered as none of us know whether its a one off bad season or the way its going to be. That's what it all boils down to essentially - those that think we'll bounce back and those that don't. Said earlier its the over the top excuses I've a problem with not the manager, thing's like not being angry losing to Sunderland - that's a new thing previous managers never got the benefit of.

To anybody that thinks were better than being bottom half, better than playing poorly against modest opposition and better than losing to their should-be inferior local rivals I guess. Its the way Coventry will go on next season 'oh well, lost again, didn't play well but the players tried, and were lucky to be here'.

We look small time by being okay with this season and its not about losing to Sunderland its about being in the bottom half of the table playing shit and losing to Sunderland. People are pointing out a multitude of reasons why they've got concerns its not just 'bin him he lost to Sunderland' that's a misrepresentation if not an avoidance. I don't even rate the derby as all that but losing to them twice after turning in pitiful displays and being behind them in the league is poor form well worthy of questioning whether its Sunderland, Luton or Burnley. Dalglish's season was objectively bad in itself irrespective of Keegan's success. It wasn't seen as good in the 80s (Charlton and newly promoted) with no previous success. But In any scenario with a drops off like that its bad and worthy of questioning.

This season at the same stage is identical in points to Ruud Gullit's. That wasn't considered a good season even though we got to a cup final, improved at this stage and by the end on the previous year and with a mess inherited from the previous manager. Standards should be a lot higher than that now.

A melancholic response to decline is less supportive than letting them know this isn't good enough. Its not just booing after some bad defeat or performance (though some people do feel you automatically boo after every loss) otherwise it'd would have been happening all season. Cant think of any set of fans in the world that wouldn't have people booing after being beaten by their local rivals compounding what's been a well below the lowest of expectations season. Most places would be far worse

"up the mackems" ffs. Sounds like whilst he was in London he went down that street Gary used to go down on Goodnight Sweetheart and was transported back to the 70s when people used to say that sort of thing.

Was defending the accusation of being 'embarrassing' from you specifically and 'scum' from someone else earlier not playing superfan cards. With the insinuation clearly that people that didn't like the way 03/04 went were bad fans, probably spoilt gloryhunters. *for the record because its certainly wasn't my intention for it to come off like that and I'm not (hopefully) like that -I did admit booing Viana and not staying for the parade in the post so was hardly boasting and missed by choice plenty of cup ties before jacking in regularly going early on under Ashley and anything further than London always felt too far for an away game.

Aye right, I've still got a membership card from the 90/91 season (our second lowest average attendance season) I'm that embarrassing a fan. Probably scum as well as another person put it earlier because I didn't stay after the end of that Wolves game. Like half the crowd I booed Vianna coming on but it was entirely a response to the people that booed Robert (a million times better player) going off before hand. Like 'you're booing him when this waste of space is the alternative' Wolves were already relegated, we were shit against them, it cost us a place in the Champions League which given only one slot was available cost the club dearly, the Marseilles game is being misrepresented as an achievement when we were demoted to that competition from being in the CL. what's the appropriate response to that at the time or in hindsight? There was no hounding out of the manager as claimed and football fans are entitled to be pissed off at relatively bad seasons even if they're better than previous season years earlier or else why not just have toursits replace us all who'll clap and ask for selfies at the end of derby defeats and catastrophic results.

Hitzfeld was strongly linked at the time and Mourinho was being lined up to come in as assistant to Sir Bobby for a year before taking over. Either would have been ideal but Abramovich happened and Jose won the CL and that was that.

He wasn't hounded out ffs. Half the crowd going home after a terrible game against Wolves isn't hounding a manager out. There weren't any protests, chants, banners or anything. He was sacked because he was retiring at the end of the season anyway and the players had downed tools causing a bad start.

The game in question precipitated a major decline in the club that we only recovered from post takeover. Anybody with concerns then was hardly proven wrong.

Was weird and pussyish to suggest otherwise iirc. Just because its never actually ever been 6 easy points.

He was bad by the standards you'd like to judge a Premier League footballer on but not by his own standards.

Four defeats between 1980 and 2013. Unbeaten in Sunderland for 28years to 2008.

Handful of good performances (including one against Barcelona), cup runs papering over woeful boring league performances, lame new attacker, shit summer of transfer activity, clear decline, limp cup exits, *fast Swedes with poor footballing ability and Arsenal winning the league. Deja vu.

Based too much on Tindall's daughters post admittedly, but I do get the feeling they've been taken aback by the response when its just standard stuff in big derbys. It may have become a cliche about players and managers not being able to show their faces in town for a week after a loss but they learned today at some places it not just football bants but actually based on something.

That's no different to any of these derbys. Its why I don't get the 'occasions' and atmospheres being some peoples justifications for wanting them back. Its no laugh trailing in a derby, they're usually wretched games and not conducive to support from a trailing position. The last 2-1 at SJP was just the same.

There's a portion want every manager out but there was no protests, no chants, no banners wanting Sir Bobby out and the only comments I ever heard were concerns about his age. There was an entire season after Partizan to mount such if that was the case. Wasn't enough people to be noticeable, probably the odd letter in the Pink or Mag and nowhere near enough to influence a decision from above as the post implied

Keegan left because of the move to being a PLC, Sir Bobby was retiring at the end of the season and after a bad start the board cut that retirement tour short. The fans wanted neither out

Its a pointless debate then because football crowds are only going to get worse now so whatever design stadium, stand there is wont off-set that.