Kid Icarus

If they're insisting on a survival bonus and Howe is dead set on Lingard rather than anyone else, I'd tie the survival bonus to a set number of goals and assists from Lingard and keep that part of the arrangement between the clubs.

It's not about you being a good or bad person and it's not about all of the things you've brought up as an aside from what I'm saying. It's a widespread problem of fanbases complaining about misrepresentation then doing exactly the same to every single other fans base, all while football on the whole's being ruined because of these things we're laughing about and waving away until it's us. That's not taking the high road, football being ruined is something that's been pointed out countless times by our fans and fans across the world. We can see the problem happening in front of us and we're experts on the problem when it's our own club, but when it happens to other clubs we're wilfully ignorant and think it's funny. I just think it's mad.

We have the guage of thinking 'if the media and these other fans think this about our fanbase and I know it's not representative maybe the same isn't representative of other fanbases too' - along with knowing fans of other clubs who are just like we are and love the game. I scoff at you saying it's 'taking the high road on every single topic' as well. It's hardly taking the high road or a secret to point to one of the reasons football's being ruined while we're all busy laughing at each others fans. There's schadenfreude and tribalism and taking the piss and then there's not caring about a club or clubs going into administration or wasting hundreds of millions. That's exactly what I'm saying about how fans are all 'lol fuck you' not realising or caring that every club's potentially going to be in the same position, including those at the top when the infinite growth model hits a brick wall.

There's tribalism and piss taking and then there's what you're saying there, which is the part that I think is OTT and what I'm getting at. I've said this so many times, but we complain about how we're misrepresented by other fans and the media then go and do exactly the same thing about other clubs and their fans because we've decided they're all gross because of RTG or that they're getting what they deserve because you've seen it on Reddit. I just think it's very hypocritical and is getting more and more widespread across the fanbases. Fans resort to that sort of tribalism, or resort to arguing amongst themselves while these owners are ruining the game we all love.

I agree that the situations are different, but I think they're just a variation on the same theme of clubs being ruined in a variety of ways. I'd argue Man United is being ruined as well, in a completely different way again. We were ruined in a completely different way to all of those clubs and had the same 'but Leeds/Portsmouth/Bury!' thrown at us as a reason why our complaints were somehow illegitimate, so I completely support the Everton fans for being pissed off over their club's version of mismanagement. I also wouldn't take those banners or their forum as a fan litmus test in the same way I wouldn't want other fans to do the same with Steve Wraith or the 'buoycott' protesters. I might be a bit bias though, my grandad was a proper salt of the earth scouser

'First they came for Leeds and I did nothing, because I don't like Leeds' You could say the same about here, or RTG, or any forum. OTT Tribalism's killing any fan solidarity, in the same way it's happening in wider society. Clubs being ruined left right and centre, with fans of other clubs going 'lol, fuck you' either not realising or not caring that they're on the same menu.

This transfer window has made me realise that I don't pay any attention to central defenders when I watch matches. I must have watched 3 or 4 Brighton matches this season yet didn't even know he existed.

I've always thought of him as a better, final third James Milner in that sense. Everything about his personality and output overrides the aesthetics for me, he's been a fantastic player.

In terms of looking for the ideal player and leader to have in our situation, Muller would be at the top of my list like. I'm choosing to believe that we're actually trying to get him just because it's funny.

Fucking hell

Man United claiming this while trying not to laugh

So it's basically random whether it actually means anything considering Liverpool didn't get Fekir. I thought when he was mentioned it meant when he went to Betis.

"showing unfeeling resistance to tender feelings" - literally never come across that word before.

Every single tweet that I've seen from him in this window would very much suggest so, yeah.

Still 5 days of this to go

Guess I'll have to shelve my dreams of labeling opposition strikers 'burn victims' for now then.

Apparently this is what Aulas does. He did the same with Lacazette, Fekir, Ndombele (and possibly others) according to Lyon fans.

If Staveley read the forum at any point over the last month she'll have seen a post about needing a midfielder like, so this is probably all thanks to you.

@ManDoon

Total sidenote but I hope the majority of the replies to Romano's tweets are bots. The thought of anyone living their lives in that way is so depressing.

There's cum everywhere

It's in their interests for us to not stay up, so not surprising really. Just pleased they haven't gone for what would have been a ridiculous deal.