Kid Icarus

Even taking this into account, the same applies to Man City who also won the league.

How on earth can you possibly give the manager who's finished second with one of the two best squads in the league the manager of the season? Personally think Frank should have won it, but I'd also have put Howe, Conte, Guardiola, and Vieira before Klopp. If Klopp had won the league, fair enough, but they're obviously allowing the F.A Cup, League Cup, potential Champion's League and almost getting a quadrule to shape their thinking.

I like Caulkin like, but that's pathetic. He did the same with that ridiculous victim piece he put out in The Athletic about criticism coming our way not long after saying he couldn't sleep at night because of our owners, and still regularly saying we 'need to have the conversation' - he should be a politician.

Caulkin was!? He was literally on the post-Arsenal episode criticising him for it!

It came to mind immediately for me, so it wasn't a stretch, but it might have been something I was subconsciously looking for.

The away kit is obviously invoking the Saudis, but that 3rd kit is invoking Ukraine for me like. Probably one of those things where if you're looking for it, you'll see it, but I do see it.

Howe won the fan vote, but it's only worth 5% or something

Me and my lass were part of the bat survey before Spanish City was upgraded and I think it delayed things by about a month IIRC.

Klopp's probably the least deserving of it if it's based solely on the Premier League

Federico Chiesa In a position that we need to improve more than any other. He's direct which I think would really endear him to our fans. He's versatile, skillful, a goal threat, tenacious as fuck, high energy and work rate, has star quality, and is a good age. It's a dream transfer that has a slight tinge of reality to it at some point as well, pointless saying like Kane or Messi or Mbappe or whoever.

Harrison's one of those players who seems to have slipped under the radar for whatever reason

No I agree, like I say we're all guilty of it. We shouldn't do predictions tbh, but we can't resist. I had Rafa turning things around and getting Everton into Europe not that long ago.

I've warmed to Alcott slightly purely because his interests go beyond the top 6 and generally has some good insight. Him and others (just as we do) all come unstuck when they start making predictions.

I think it lines up with how certain sections of our support have form with criticising players like ASM, Sissoko (or HBA for that matter) despite being some of the top creative players outside of the top 6. As below

If that's how you see it, fair enough. I thought he was really good at Spurs after getting beyond being ridiculed when he first got there, especially in the Champions League. Re the bit in bold, anecdotal but my boss is a Watford fan (was on a recent behind enemy lines sort of thing on True Faith I think) and we've spoken about him before - he rates him for where they are and puts the blame squarely at them not being able to defend/their owners' hiring and firing model. We boo literally every ex-player, including James Milner. I agree that the perception of him here is bad though, that's what we're disagreeing about really. The reason he was compared to GW was because the accusation of him was that he hid when we were relegated. GW was invisible away from home, wasn't getting on the ball towards the end of the season and was dropped. Digging out Sissoko for hiding is based on very little anyway imo, but seems especially weird considering how guilty of that Wijnaldum was. Wijnaldum was and is obviously the better player, but in terms of graft and heart, Sissoko beats him hands down during their time here.

This, more or less. Especially the way Wijnaldum's weirdly viewed fondly.

Aye, because you brought up how Sissoko being in the starting 11 of a relegated Watford team said everything you needed to know about him. I just brought up all the bits you'd missed out. Judging them solely on their time here, I thought Sissoko was alright despite his regular big time charlie interviews with the French media (lining up with the way NUFC was sold to him as a stepping stone at the time) but I don't think he went missing, certainly not to the extent that Wijnaldum did anyway.

You brought up Sissoko at Watford. If you just want to talk about his and Wijnaldum's time at Newcastle, go for it.

Considering Gini fucking Wijnaldum was in the same team, the idea that Sissoko went hiding is laughable like.

Wey he's 32 now, but is it also no coincidence that he was in the starting 11 of a team that got to the Champions League final and a rotation player then starting player in the league, finishing 2nd, 3rd, 4th? Or is it also no coincidence that he was a rotation player in a team that won the World Cup? Seems a bit selective to only point out his career with us and Watford.

Not digging them out because we're all clueless, but it's canny funny how unbelievably wrong this is considering how lauded they are on here https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLKQWHu7/?k=1

Wouldn't say he was class, but he was decent. There were tons of people in our support who thought he was shit though.

If Toney follows his 12/5 season with a 3 goals 3 assists season like Mitrovic did then yeah I'll agree.

You're looking at a chances created table where he's top and saying it's really poor.

This is just isn't true if you've watched anything of him in 2022. He regularly uses Targett and Joelinton on the overlap, plays it inside to Bruno and Wilson, or puts in early crosses. Dribbling is his strength, he's absolutely right to do it regularly too.