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What a disgusting night.

S. Tiraspol denied a great win and PSG winning with Messi scoring.

If Real score a winner, that’ll top it off.

6 minutes ago, Heron said:

Whilst I think there may be a degree of that I don't think it's universally what people are on the board for. I do think they're all there to make a positive difference for the supporters of Newcastle United.

 

I think the Trust should engage better, listen and attempt to address the larger issues that fans have. However, it's a balancing act, as the trust needs to remain open to constructive communication with the club and governing bodies, but also must (and more importantly to me!) stand shoulder to shouldet with fans.

 

I don't think it's fair to say they've done nowt like. I am probably more aware of things that have been done because I was closer to it and I'm now on the board, so I do take that it maybe needs voicing more so people are aware, but I think we need to understand from people like yourself what the expectations are.

 

It's imperative that we reach out to the 14k membership and understand them, not just have them on a dormant list until they become fed up.

But what is that? I’ve asked multiple times on here and never been given a solid answer. Your response the other day didn’t provide any substance at all either.

We’ll agree to disagree on the Board because you’re quite rightly never going to criticise them and equally I haven’t seen anything to change my opinion based on my own observations.

I agree with the second and fourth paragraphs in the main. Although I’ll still make the point all that is in the Trust’s own grasp and has been for three years without acting upon it. It needs to change.

1 minute ago, Paully said:

How’s that not a red?!

Fuck knows but I’m sure Dermot Gallagher can tell us.

Be mad if VAR ignores this  

Cancelo is so underrated. Such a fantastic footballer.

Mad that a team from Moldova are currently top of a CL group that consists of Real Madrid and Inter Milan.

Would love them to get through somehow.

Miss of the season contender  

Hope Man City smash these Qatari dickheads.

Extra points if Neymar cries.

Edit - ffs.

3 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

To you it's not, no. TBF the ground has sounded like it's been anti Bruce and pro team for the games this season which is hardly the booing and moaning as seen in seasons gone by when fans have been in. If that's any saving grace.

 

Newcastle United. It still is exactly that to them. This is just another shit period to them as mentioned before, the club didn't want to succeed when we constantly sold our best players under McKeag in the 80s as selling you best players would suggest. It's just another one of those.

 

Fair enough.

 

It is when the club is in the PL. Stuff has been attempted to be organised by United Supporters For Change, Ashley Out, Magpie Group, If Rafa Goes We Go, Toon For Change; why would the Trust be any different? And the fall in attendances wasn't due to an organised boycott, it was few walking away due to anger at Benitez leaving. We saw pretty much the exactly the same attendances in 2019-20 pre-free ticket as we did in 2010-11, regularly over 42,000, which is not enough of a statement as people keep pointing out on here.

 

 

 

I’ll take your word for that, as you’ve been there and I haven’t. 

The difference between the 80s and now is the club are actively telling the fans it doesn’t want to succeed. It’s not even hiding it. Selling your best players doesn’t equal not wanting to succeed.

Leicester have continually sold their best players, but have also improved year on year - because they want to.

I’m sorry, but those attending are stubborn or wanting to prove themselves as the biggest sewpafan. There’s no other fathomable reason for it. Either way, they’re actively harming the club.

Ashley is literally saying “give me your money, I won’t spend it on the club, I don’t want the club to succeed and I’ll dismantle your club piece by piece in the process” and people think, “oh shit, better go down and cheer on 11 blokes who won’t even care about the club when their contracts end”.

The club is bigger than the players on the pitch, the idiot in the dugout or the tosser in the boardroom. One season of not attending matches (which people coped with through Covid), would probably be the only sacrifice needed to ensure there is a club there for you  and your family to follow in the future.

I suppose it’s a bit like climate change, people don’t care because it doesn’t affect their own day to day life. 
 

The difference between those groups and the Trust are those groups don’t have 15k paying members. Those groups don’t have the media contacts. Those groups don’t have the loud enough voice.

I wasn’t suggesting the 10,000 free tickets was because of a boycott. I was suggesting it was an indication a boycott is more achievable.

13 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

The debate about matchgoers goes around in circles tbh but those who go don't see it as you do or others on here do as in: paying for ticket = supporting Ashley or facilitating the ruination of the club. They see it as still NUFC and want to go and support the team on the pitch without seeing much beyond that, despite many knowing about what's happened to the club in the last 14 years. The Ashley era to them will go down to them as another shite period just like 1977-82 was, or like the most of 1984-91 was. Other supporters of other clubs think this way of thinking as bizarre; Grand Old Team thought so at least anyway and others I've personally spoken too don't understand either.

 

Whilst any club in English football is at PL level, a boycott is a pipe dream. Why people on here get so wound up about it I find bizarre tbh, I've already accepted that it just won't happen and that our fanbase as a collective is far too piss weak with getting things organised and literally always has been. Attendances will really fall if the club goes down, just like they did in the late 70s and after going down in '89 pre-Keegan. 

It’s impossible to justify buying a ticket like. The ‘support the team’ excuse falls on death ears when our fans spend more time booing and moaning than supporting.

What is it they are supporting? The club openly says it has no ambition. The club doesn’t want to succeed. Would you go horse racing and bet on or cheer on a horse that tells you it doesn’t want to win? 

Other supporters don’t understand it because they’re fortunate enough to not be in this situation. 15 years ago did I think I would be boycotting my own club? No.

If you spoke with Coventry fans, Blackpool fans, Leyton Orient fans etc. you might find out that they all unsurprisingly completely get it.

I think you’re wrong that a boycott is impossible. It’s certainly more achievable for the Trust to ensure is well organised, rather than wasted energy in schemes like the pledge. Ashley literally had to give away 10,000 tickets, people are and were accepting a boycott is required.

42 minutes ago, Heron said:

I actually agree with most of this and you've echoed some of the sentiments I have. Fan engagement is my main concern and I feel it should be our priority and actually a given.

 

The Trust does get a lot of small wins that people don't see though, and I feel they should share these through regular engagement with fans. I think they come in for some unjust stick sometimes though. Stuff like the above is at least constructive.

 

I'd say making what they have through the pledge is pretty fantastic too. It may be a pipe dream, but every journey starts somewhere. 

Is that not a massive problem? An organisation allegedly there as a voice for the fans, which doesn’t communicate with the fans?

I’ll answer that question myself. It is a problem. That’s one of the biggest problems with the Trust.

They don’t communicate for a good reason. They’re not interested in what their members want, they’re interested in what they want.

I’ve tried to engage with them on multiple occasions, as a member and as not. I’ve offered support, ideas, constructive criticism and have been ignored every single time.

36 minutes ago, Heron said:

You seem to have a canny bee in your bonnet like. What's pissed you off so much about the trust? I mean, they're just volunteers after all... 

I’ve been quite clear on this frequently so won’t draw over it again. However, it’s abundantly clear that those at the head of the Trust are only there for self promotion.

They may be volunteers, but they are only interested in having a pedestal to stand on.

That is evidenced through the fact they have achieved absolutely nothing to date, despite three years ago promising big things.

The bee in my bonnet is the fact the Trust could have, and should have, achieved a lot more and their lack of action is partly to blame for Ashley still being here. 

5 hours ago, Thumbheed said:

I'd like to see NUST release something about the upcoming CAT case.  Especially as they've been contributing to the fan led review on football governance. 

 

Feels like a perfect opportunity to put some subtle pressure out there about how the CAT case jurisdiction challenge from the PL embodies the lack of transparency that all football fans are craving to see the end of, especially moreso now that UEFA have dropped their case against the remaining ESL clubs. 

Are you mad? How can they possibly find time for that when they need to phone Jan about someone’s ticket for Wolves?

Between that and speaking once to Tracey Crouch six months ago, they’re pretty canned until 2024.

Hatice Chengiz hasn’t had her pen out in a while.

Just now, reefatoon said:

If it goes the “wrong way” over jurisdiction I’ll be interested to see how many minutes it will take the usual suspects to come in and have a dig at the usual suspects.

Now that Whitley has stopped being strung along by Keith, there isn’t much to have a dig at.

People were just frustrated at being told every five minutes their own opinion was irrelevant because Keith is ITK and the takeover is going to happen by [insert deadline here which never happened].

Judge him on results.

I mean, judge him on performances.

I mean, judge him when ASM and Wilson are both fit.

I mean, judge him on surviving relegation.

Judge him against Rafa’s start.

I mean, judge him after three seasons.

Judge him in comparison to Potter.

I mean, don’t compare him to Potter.

Judge him on the transfer business.

I mean, don’t judge him on the transfers he has no control.

Must be a nightmare being Edwards.  Mad that the local rags don’t pull him up on this shite. Then again, it’s a boys club with them all patting one another on the back.

34 minutes ago, Ben said:

Luke has already poo pooed it 

He’s probably not wrong on this occasion mind.

Still a cunt though.

More chance of Bruce managing us in the Championship than him getting peddled.

The only way he’ll get sacked is if the takeover happens, or becomes so close that the consortium are able to have an influence on Ashley.

So basically, we’ll get relegated.

1 hour ago, Darth Crooks said:

They literally were contemptuous enough to think hiring two Geordies at once would get them off the hook in Bruce and Carroll. Wilfully wrong messages ‘learned’ every time. They active laugh at fans who pay them and invest time. Sports Neglect.con.

It worked perfectly though? Other than a few Ashley chants sung by those funding his club, what else has he had to contend with?

Can see a total Tottenham collapse here now, if Arsenal fancy it this could get embarrassing.

2 minutes ago, neesy111 said:

Spurs are gonna regret not cashing in on Kane.

Think Kane is gonna regret Spurs not cashing in on Kane too.

Dele Alli proving every week why Mourinho was right to bin him off.

Mad how his career has never taken off as it could have. Another massive waste of talent.

Edit - will probably show me up now.

6 minutes ago, 54 said:

Arsenal have looked decent here tbh, deserved that goal.

 

Tottenham have looked shite here tbh, deserved that goal.

Really want Arteta to do well. Apart from their first three games they’ve actually looked fairly decent this season.

Losing to Brentford, Chelsea and Man City probably won’t be seen as such a shock by the end of the season too.

Says a lot about his quality if he can’t get a game for fucking Aberdeen.

10 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

How’s Armstrong been at Southampton? Just the one goal so far handed on a plate on the first day?

He was going to win the ballon d'or according to some after that. In reality, he looks exactly the same player as when he left.

Dwight Gayle v2.0.

1 minute ago, gjohnson said:

No, but I'd be pretty confident in guessing you wouldn't need both hands to count them

I’d hazard a guess when we thrashed Bournemouth. Other than that I’d be struggling to name a match, I’m not even confident that’s right.