Fantail Breeze

16 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

How do you decide where the armpit is or exactly when the ball was struck?   Unless it’s clear and obvious it’s got to be allowed. 

That’s why it’s so farcical. They’re trying to measure it to an incredibly small degree without recognising they can’t do the same with when the ball was kicked.

VAR is genuinely making me lose interest in football. More than I even thought it would.

Just now, InspectorCoarse said:

I think Candi Hills meant Hurst wants to get back in the ground asap and give MA his season ticket money 

I thought that was fairly obvious.

Can’t believe anyone ever wanted VAR.

Absolute horseshit.

There’s still no sort of solid plan beyond “maybe buying a nominal share”. 

I get the insurance policy bit. But as I said, that’s still a massive long shot for many reasons. Even in League One, £50m is an astronomical figure to reach and then there would need to be ongoing funding afterwards. There would be plenty of people with a lot more money interested before it got to that point.

It just feels like pissing in the wind. 

Although, when the money is split between charities at least it’ll go to some good use.

Not surprised Alex is the key player behind this. He’ll be gagging to try and sit in the boardroom.

Before anyone starts whinging on, I’ve pledged.

I’m still unsure on what the point is in buying 1% (or any nominal stake)?

The website doesn’t seem to answer this question either.

I could understand it as a future fund in the event the club fell through the divisions, it could act as security that we could jump in and purchase a controlling stake at any point. Although the figure needed here would be huge (£50m+) and theres every chance someone else would jump in and buy it first.

I don’t see any benefit in purchasing a tiny stake.

13 minutes ago, Rosenrot said:

Man our fanbase is full of negative tw*ts.

If you don't want to donate, then don't. It isn't hard.

It’s not though, is it?

You’re on an internet forum, where people discuss their views on any given subject. People are able to share their opinion of this project, whether it’s positive or not.

Good idea in theory, but it’s so difficult to pull off and needs substantial support at a time people’s interest in NUFC is reducing.

There’s also too many gaps and maybes to get people engaged on this regularly. 

There’s also a question as to what this achieves. A nominal stake in the club will do nothing that a well organised Trust couldn’t achieve with a good relationship with the owners [caveat of it not being MA].

On a separate note... Remember ‘’MyFootballClub”? Everyone chipped in, bought Ebbsfleet and it was fucking awful. Everyone lost interest and it ended badly.

Fucking hell.

1 hour ago, Cookie1892 said:

Why are we bashing ANYONE man?

if you dont agree dont join, if you dont agree with whatever it is on Thursday thats fine but dont have a go at them for it

If you think someone should be doing something differently then set it up and do it yourself

I wish i could be involved in the Trust i really do but i just dont have the time at the minute

Well done to all of them at least they are trying to do something

We’re not ‘bashing’ anyone. We’re providing constructive criticism and offering solutions about how to make something better.

The problem is people have been saying the same thing for years and the Trust don’t ever seem to listen. Therefore they are rightly criticised about it. After all, they are supposedly a voice of their members.

Maybe under Greg’s leadership there will be positive changes, we’ll have to wait and see (starting tomorrow).

It feels like we’ve just made our first signing for the Championship next season.

1 minute ago, Greg said:

Bit busy in the build up to Thursday but would be happy to chat next week.

 Will send you a message on here early next week to arrange.

6 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

What about Alex Hurst gives you the impression he's out for self-promotion, beyond the fact that he has an existing 'presence' in mainstream NUFC discourse? As I've said before, I think he represents us really well when appearing on non-NUFC/radio etc. 

To clarify, I'm not sitting here saying the Trust are great achievers on a par with Boudica or the 300. I even said I didn't know much about their usual work. What I'm saying is that, of all the groups, they  have the biggest membership and so if you're going to attach yourself to one, it ought to be that, and there's no harm in them trying to attract more people, given their values and ambitions. 

And also, let's just see what Thursday brings. 

As I’ve said, I’m more than happy to throw the full weight of my support behind them - providing they do things in the right way.

At the moment, they don’t, for reasons I’ve already explained. I’ll also eagerly await Thursday and see what the news is.

7 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

I'm not a member of NUST, never have been, and can't see a time I will be, at least not under this NUFC regime for reasons I'll detail. I also don't know any of the people behind it. But I do think they get a rough press from many, as many seem to want them to be an Ashley Out protest group which they never can be. That's not their purpose. Their purpose (forgive me for speaking on their behalf and correct me if I'm wrong) seems to be to foster a good working relationship with the club to better the interests of the match-going fans.

This is why I'm not a member - I'm not and will not be a match going fan under this regime so NUST are not for me, but under a different regime if I did have a ticket I might consider joining. But they can never and will never be an Ashley Out protest group, or in favour of boycotts or protests and expecting them to do so is missing the point of their existence. If that means they're not for you, move along or form your own group, or find a different one that's already out there. But don't expect them to change purpose because they cannot, their required relationship with the club to advance match-going fan issues precludes them from doing that.

That’s not the issue here, certainly from my perspective. You can have a good relationship with the club but also be critical of them where necessary. 

They also shouldn’t encourage fan movements at times of crises, telling people to join ‘to get their voice heard’, if they don’t want to be the voice of the fans they’re representing.

They’ve led people down a path multiple times (as others have said) and they’ve rightly been criticised for doing so. 

Just now, Greg said:

Vast majority of feedback we get is positive - which is really heartening. On Twitter I occasionally offer those that bash us regularly a phone call to chat and discuss ideas on how NUST can improve and move forward etc - they very rarely take me up on the offer. I wonder why. 

Happy to discuss anytime, Greg.

Just now, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 Fuck me. Someone can't be on the board of a fan group and run a podcast now? 

I’m assuming based on that, you’ve never actually spoken to or heard from Alex.

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

Well my defence of the Trust this evening had nothing to do with knowing Greg personally, and everything to do with faith in the concept that having as united a front as possible will stand us in better stead when it comes to fighting certain battles. And the Trust provides the best opportunity of that.

Like I said in my first post, I can relate to some of the criticism, and if Thursday's announcement is a load of nothing then it'll be a disappointment. But I don't see any harm in trying to get new members. I don't see anyone at the Trust who's out for any personal glory or self-promotion. They're volunteers at the end of the day.

Nope, can’t think of anyone at all.

Just now, 54 said:

So damned if they do and damned if they don't, got it.

I’m pleased they finally put pressure on for something to be done, almost six months into the problem.

To claim their input caused refunds to be issued 24 hours later is naive to say the least.

They wouldn’t be ‘damned if they do’, if they actually did do something (in a reasonable timeframe) and had an output to show for it. 

1 minute ago, Joey Linton said:

Process was already underway by all accounts (so i'm told anyway). 

Of course it was - it’d take a lot longer than 24 hours to organise and send out those refunds

The Trust claiming credit for that ffs.

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

Because the Trust aren't trying to sell copies of The Telegraph. 

They’re trying to recruit members to promote themselves. What else are they/have they achieved other than self promotion?

How is that any better/different?

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

I still don't get it. What's nefarious about them promoting themselves? What's wrong with them trying to get more members? We can debate their actions and methods but I think that's a separate issue to any debate around whether they should or shouldn't seek out more members. 

Absolutely nothing - providing they do it in the right way.

Clickbait crap like their recent ‘update’ is just as bad as recruiting members on the back of crises only to vanish without following through on promised actions. 

If Luke Edwards wrote an article/tweet saying “BIG NUFC NEWS COMING ON THURSDAY”, he’d get absolutely fucking battered for it if it wasn’t takeover related. Why are the Trust above the same criticism?

1 minute ago, Nobody said:

Aye. It's Mount, Foden and Sancho (when fit) for the attacking trio behind Kane for me. 

 

It’s the first England squad in a long time that has very likeable players in it.

I can really get behind them now, whereas before I’ve never really been interested in International football.

5 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

But it's not new m£mb£rs is it? It's new members. They're not sat in the pub drinking away people's membership fees. 

The idea that they're out to make bank from all this is just bloody farcical. 

I’m not suggesting that they are out to make bank. But every member/quid helps promote themselves.

The know full well the fanbase are on tenterhooks right now and they post utter shit like that, purposely to create unnecessary speculation. 

If Greg wasn’t so heavily involved, the criticism on here would be much more vocal.

1 minute ago, CalmintheChaos said:

Surely both Foden and Bellingham have to start for England they have both been really good tonight and are better than the likes is sterling mount and Kalvin Phillips ffs 

Why send out that cliff-hanger nonsense and not just make an announcement on Thursday? It’s two days.

Ahh, yes. New M£mb$rs.

1 hour ago, 54 said:

Was going to put something similar, just couldn't be arsed with the inevitable debate. Atleast theyre trying something, it may work may not, but atleast it's something, other then people who just make shitty comments, and then contribute fuck all towards anything.

Depends what you define as ‘trying something’. They’re experts at trying to push their own public image.

You can’t put a value on the contribution towards the East Stand toilets though!

People are quite right to question an organisation who have taken tens of thousands of pounds from supporters and achieved fuck all to date (apart from multiple backtracks, broken promises and refusals to support protests).

Glad we’ve got VAR so we don’t have contentious decisions in big games anymore.

Knowing the Trust, NUFC have asked them to survey the toilets.