mrmojorisin75 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 i think they're stupid enough to see stoke as "winnable" and we then play bournemouth at home where they clearly think we're now hot shit despite only beating two teams who turned up and played right into our hands should we only take say 1 point or less from these next two they'll maybe act, but not before EDIT: actually looking at it we then play leicester away (bloodbath) then the mackems home, how fucking sweet it would be for us to have a new manager bounce coming into the games against those cunts for once Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Sacking him won't change anything. The squad is spineless. Once we go a goal down, we get blown over and it's been that way for 4/5 years. Might as well give it a go then. A new manager will make little difference , until we have defenders who can defend , and stand up to be counted in game like last night, instead we gift goals . and hide. The defence has not been good enough for many years now. too often the term men against boys seem to apply to our defence. Strongly disagree with you, a *good* manager can wring performances from s*** players, that's generally why there considered good. Get rid now and replace well and we'll be alright, keep him it'll go to the end and we'll probably go down. Good managers have good players in their teams that is what makes them good..The back four are not good enough and have not been good enough for years, .we lack pace and guts in the heart of the defence, that's why top teams tend to beat we ease. So good managers always have good players? Something rotten in Denmark there tbh. No really hard to work out but yes that what makes them good, they get rid of the players who are not good enough and get players who are good enough, How many poor players play week in week out for the likes of Man City, Man United, Arsenal Chelsea etc. So they just magically appear at those kinds of clubs do they? Strokes beard.... is it really that hard for you to work out? who do you suggest we replace McClaren with and why would he be better.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Sacking him won't change anything. The squad is spineless. Once we go a goal down, we get blown over and it's been that way for 4/5 years. Might as well give it a go then. A new manager will make little difference , until we have defenders who can defend , and stand up to be counted in game like last night, instead we gift goals . and hide. The defence has not been good enough for many years now. too often the term men against boys seem to apply to our defence. Strongly disagree with you, a *good* manager can wring performances from s*** players, that's generally why there considered good. Get rid now and replace well and we'll be alright, keep him it'll go to the end and we'll probably go down. Good managers have good players in their teams that is what makes them good..The back four are not good enough and have not been good enough for years, .we lack pace and guts in the heart of the defence, that's why top teams tend to beat we ease. So good managers always have good players? Something rotten in Denmark there tbh. No really hard to work out but yes that what makes them good, they get rid of the players who are not good enough and get players who are good enough, How many poor players play week in week out for the likes of Man City, Man United, Arsenal Chelsea etc. So they just magically appear at those kinds of clubs do they? Strokes beard.... is it really that hard for you to work out? who do you suggest we replace McClaren with and why would he be better.. somebody listed about 5 better managers in this thread or the relegationometer thread, all available right now man "good" managers aren't just those sitting at the top 4-5 clubs in this country you know, there are loads who could come in and do a miles better job than mcclaren is tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Since the 2008/09 debacle they've been consistent in their statements about keeping managers through thick and thin. Apart from Hughton of course, who was binned for no particular fucking reason. I just can't see him being sacked, even if we go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 By the way Shearer got 8 matches as a last desperate effort and it was too late to turn things around. That's not to say Shearer was actually capable of it, but when he took over we were in the bottom three, two points from safety. Almost the same situation as now. I can't believe there are only 12 games left. So it might already be too late anyway, because there's literally no chance we'd appoint anyone of note. What's Gerry Francis up to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 ↑↑↑ The investment only happened though due to Ashley not wanting to miss out on TV revenue. So not only would he lose some of the investment, but the idea behind it. Why wouldn't he choose to sack him? Everyone is basing it on pardews eternal 8yr deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Aye, he is here until the bitter end unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Spend £21m on Berahino or Mourinho? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Sacking him won't change anything. The squad is spineless. Once we go a goal down, we get blown over and it's been that way for 4/5 years. Might as well give it a go then. A new manager will make little difference , until we have defenders who can defend , and stand up to be counted in game like last night, instead we gift goals . and hide. The defence has not been good enough for many years now. too often the term men against boys seem to apply to our defence. Strongly disagree with you, a *good* manager can wring performances from s*** players, that's generally why there considered good. Get rid now and replace well and we'll be alright, keep him it'll go to the end and we'll probably go down. Good managers have good players in their teams that is what makes them good..The back four are not good enough and have not been good enough for years, .we lack pace and guts in the heart of the defence, that's why top teams tend to beat we ease. So good managers always have good players? Something rotten in Denmark there tbh. No really hard to work out but yes that what makes them good, they get rid of the players who are not good enough and get players who are good enough, How many poor players play week in week out for the likes of Man City, Man United, Arsenal Chelsea etc. So they just magically appear at those kinds of clubs do they? Strokes beard.... is it really that hard for you to work out? who do you suggest we replace McClaren with and why would he be better.. somebody listed about 5 better managers in this thread or the relegationometer thread, all available right now man "good" managers aren't just those sitting at the top 4-5 clubs in this country you know, there are loads who could come in and do a miles better job than mcclaren is tomorrow Ok so you could not name one then ... why are they not already in work if they are that good ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Sacking him won't change anything. The squad is spineless. Once we go a goal down, we get blown over and it's been that way for 4/5 years. Might as well give it a go then. A new manager will make little difference , until we have defenders who can defend , and stand up to be counted in game like last night, instead we gift goals . and hide. The defence has not been good enough for many years now. too often the term men against boys seem to apply to our defence. Strongly disagree with you, a *good* manager can wring performances from s*** players, that's generally why there considered good. Get rid now and replace well and we'll be alright, keep him it'll go to the end and we'll probably go down. Good managers have good players in their teams that is what makes them good..The back four are not good enough and have not been good enough for years, .we lack pace and guts in the heart of the defence, that's why top teams tend to beat we ease. So good managers always have good players? Something rotten in Denmark there tbh. No really hard to work out but yes that what makes them good, they get rid of the players who are not good enough and get players who are good enough, How many poor players play week in week out for the likes of Man City, Man United, Arsenal Chelsea etc. So they just magically appear at those kinds of clubs do they? Strokes beard.... is it really that hard for you to work out? who do you suggest we replace McClaren with and why would he be better.. somebody listed about 5 better managers in this thread or the relegationometer thread, all available right now man "good" managers aren't just those sitting at the top 4-5 clubs in this country you know, there are loads who could come in and do a miles better job than mcclaren is tomorrow Ok so you could not name one then ... why are they not already in work if they are that good ? righto then, we'd better stick with steve then rather than bin him and go for garcia who had roma challenging for the italian title two years in a row and just just recently binned with them in 4th or something? or sampaoli the ex-chile manager? because someone isn't in a job doesn't mean they're utterly shit, except the ones we employ obvs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 They place little or no emphasis on the ability of the manager, that's why we've ended up with McClaren in the first place and Pardew before him. Grateful losers on low wages. Hughton got the job because he was already here, they probably didn't even increase his salary. They simply don't think it's an important position in the club, clearly. The recent investment came to try and improve the squad enough for us to stay up. If they thought it was worth investing in the manager they'd have done so at some point in the last six years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 There are loads of managers who are far better than McClaren who are unemployed. Absolutely loads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 They place little or no emphasis on the ability of the manager, that's why we've ended up with McClaren in the first place and Pardew before him. Grateful losers on low wages. Hughton got the job because he was already here, they probably didn't even increase his salary. They simply don't think it's an important position in the club, clearly. The recent investment came to try and improve the squad enough for us to stay up. If they thought it was worth investing in the manager they'd have done so at some point in the last six years. It's absolutely mental, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I know he'd never appoint them, but when you think you've got managers of the quality of Benitez, Bielsa, Sampaoli, Rudi Garcia, Favre (even Moyes, Pearson or Rodgers) available.. Took me about 30 seconds to think of this lot. There will be a huge amount more that I haven't listed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I mean, look how low this bloke's standards are, talking after today's match: “We’ve got to dust ourselves down and be realistic, and we can’t let this derail us, as much as people might want it to. We have to stick together in that dressing room, and we have to show character and fight. “There’s only four or five times in the season that I’ve been disappointed with that, but I think today was more about the opening 15 minutes and giving the ball away and giving them three goals.” It's ludicrous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 They place little or no emphasis on the ability of the manager, that's why we've ended up with McClaren in the first place and Pardew before him. Grateful losers on low wages. Hughton got the job because he was already here, they probably didn't even increase his salary. They simply don't think it's an important position in the club, clearly. The recent investment came to try and improve the squad enough for us to stay up. If they thought it was worth investing in the manager they'd have done so at some point in the last six years. You are spot on her,. not that I want McClearn I just think if we sack him we get another manger like him and we be no better off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Just seen some of his post-match interview. He talks so much shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I know he'd never appoint them, but when you think you've got managers of the quality of Benitez, Bielsa, Sampaoli, Rudi Garcia, Favre (even Moyes, Pearson or Rodgers) available.. Took me about 30 seconds to think of this lot. There will be a huge amount more that I haven't listed. Think Pearson would be the only one we could attract to the club sadly, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I know he'd never appoint them, but when you think you've got managers of the quality of Benitez, Bielsa, Sampaoli, Rudi Garcia, Favre (even Moyes, Pearson or Rodgers) available.. Took me about 30 seconds to think of this lot. There will be a huge amount more that I haven't listed. Think Pearson would be the only one we could attract to the club sadly, Moyes would take it on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 If you paid decent money (ie proper premier league salaries), I reckon you'd have a decent chance with most of them. If we were prepared to pay a big salary, we could probably get any of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Someone like Garcia or Sampaoli would come here and realise within minutes that we don't have players that are capable of playing the way they want to. The same thing that Klopp is finding at Liverpool and Garde has found at Villa. So they'll try and settle on some hybrid of what they want to do vs masking the lack of pace of Colo / lack of heart of Sissoko, etc. And what we'll get is more of the same as what we get now, occasional moments of promise shot down by regular beatings. This is a product of 5 years of flawed recruitment and shit management of those players (Thanks Alan). No players remain that fit any kind of style / formation and they look as if they don't know each others' names. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I know he'd never appoint them, but when you think you've got managers of the quality of Benitez, Bielsa, Sampaoli, Rudi Garcia, Favre (even Moyes, Pearson or Rodgers) available.. Took me about 30 seconds to think of this lot. There will be a huge amount more that I haven't listed. Think Pearson would be the only one we could attract to the club sadly, Moyes would take it on. Maybe would be happy with him.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Ashley will listen to Charnley and he picked McClaren so he's not likely to sack him. Wasn't it Carr who pushed (and pushed and pushed) for McClaren? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Someone like Garcia or Sampaoli would come here and realise within minutes that we don't have players that are capable of playing the way they want to. The same thing that Klopp is finding at Liverpool and Garde has found at Villa. So they'll try and settle on some hybrid of what they want to do vs masking the lack of pace of Colo / lack of heart of Sissoko, etc. And what we'll get is more of the same as what we get now, occasional moments of promise shot down by regular beatings. This is a product of 5 years of flawed recruitment and s*** management of those players (Thanks Alan). No players remain that fit any kind of style / formation and they look as if they don't know each others' names. You get someone as good as Garcia or Sampaoli in and we would stay up. Our squad, whilst flawed in many ways, is strong enough to stay up relatively comfortably if you had a good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I totally disagree with you on that point. There are so many lacking elements in that squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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