mrmojorisin75 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 00:57, samag said: Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Sacking him won't change anything. The squad is spineless. Once we go a goal down, we get blown over and it's been that way for 4/5 years. Might as well give it a go then. A new manager will make little difference , until we have defenders who can defend , and stand up to be counted in game like last night, instead we gift goals . and hide. The defence has not been good enough for many years now. too often the term men against boys seem to apply to our defence. Strongly disagree with you, a *good* manager can wring performances from s*** players, that's generally why there considered good. Get rid now and replace well and we'll be alright, keep him it'll go to the end and we'll probably go down. Good managers have good players in their teams that is what makes them good..The back four are not good enough and have not been good enough for years, .we lack pace and guts in the heart of the defence, that's why top teams tend to beat we ease. So good managers always have good players? Something rotten in Denmark there tbh. No really hard to work out but yes that what makes them good, they get rid of the players who are not good enough and get players who are good enough, How many poor players play week in week out for the likes of Man City, Man United, Arsenal Chelsea etc. So they just magically appear at those kinds of clubs do they? Strokes beard.... is it really that hard for you to work out? who do you suggest we replace McClaren with and why would he be better.. somebody listed about 5 better managers in this thread or the relegationometer thread, all available right now man "good" managers aren't just those sitting at the top 4-5 clubs in this country you know, there are loads who could come in and do a miles better job than mcclaren is tomorrow Ok so you could not name one then ... why are they not already in work if they are that good ? righto then, we'd better stick with steve then rather than bin him and go for garcia who had roma challenging for the italian title two years in a row and just just recently binned with them in 4th or something? or sampaoli the ex-chile manager? because someone isn't in a job doesn't mean they're utterly shit, except the ones we employ obvs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 They place little or no emphasis on the ability of the manager, that's why we've ended up with McClaren in the first place and Pardew before him. Grateful losers on low wages. Hughton got the job because he was already here, they probably didn't even increase his salary. They simply don't think it's an important position in the club, clearly. The recent investment came to try and improve the squad enough for us to stay up. If they thought it was worth investing in the manager they'd have done so at some point in the last six years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 There are loads of managers who are far better than McClaren who are unemployed. Absolutely loads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 01:00, Dave said: They place little or no emphasis on the ability of the manager, that's why we've ended up with McClaren in the first place and Pardew before him. Grateful losers on low wages. Hughton got the job because he was already here, they probably didn't even increase his salary. They simply don't think it's an important position in the club, clearly. The recent investment came to try and improve the squad enough for us to stay up. If they thought it was worth investing in the manager they'd have done so at some point in the last six years. It's absolutely mental, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 13/02/2016 at 21:04, Hughesy said: I know he'd never appoint them, but when you think you've got managers of the quality of Benitez, Bielsa, Sampaoli, Rudi Garcia, Favre (even Moyes, Pearson or Rodgers) available.. Took me about 30 seconds to think of this lot. There will be a huge amount more that I haven't listed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I mean, look how low this bloke's standards are, talking after today's match: Quote “We’ve got to dust ourselves down and be realistic, and we can’t let this derail us, as much as people might want it to. We have to stick together in that dressing room, and we have to show character and fight. “There’s only four or five times in the season that I’ve been disappointed with that, but I think today was more about the opening 15 minutes and giving the ball away and giving them three goals.” It's ludicrous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 01:00, Dave said: They place little or no emphasis on the ability of the manager, that's why we've ended up with McClaren in the first place and Pardew before him. Grateful losers on low wages. Hughton got the job because he was already here, they probably didn't even increase his salary. They simply don't think it's an important position in the club, clearly. The recent investment came to try and improve the squad enough for us to stay up. If they thought it was worth investing in the manager they'd have done so at some point in the last six years. You are spot on her,. not that I want McClearn I just think if we sack him we get another manger like him and we be no better off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Just seen some of his post-match interview. He talks so much shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 01:03, Hughesy said: Quote I know he'd never appoint them, but when you think you've got managers of the quality of Benitez, Bielsa, Sampaoli, Rudi Garcia, Favre (even Moyes, Pearson or Rodgers) available.. Took me about 30 seconds to think of this lot. There will be a huge amount more that I haven't listed. Think Pearson would be the only one we could attract to the club sadly, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 01:10, samag said: Quote Quote I know he'd never appoint them, but when you think you've got managers of the quality of Benitez, Bielsa, Sampaoli, Rudi Garcia, Favre (even Moyes, Pearson or Rodgers) available.. Took me about 30 seconds to think of this lot. There will be a huge amount more that I haven't listed. Think Pearson would be the only one we could attract to the club sadly, Moyes would take it on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 If you paid decent money (ie proper premier league salaries), I reckon you'd have a decent chance with most of them. If we were prepared to pay a big salary, we could probably get any of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Someone like Garcia or Sampaoli would come here and realise within minutes that we don't have players that are capable of playing the way they want to. The same thing that Klopp is finding at Liverpool and Garde has found at Villa. So they'll try and settle on some hybrid of what they want to do vs masking the lack of pace of Colo / lack of heart of Sissoko, etc. And what we'll get is more of the same as what we get now, occasional moments of promise shot down by regular beatings. This is a product of 5 years of flawed recruitment and shit management of those players (Thanks Alan). No players remain that fit any kind of style / formation and they look as if they don't know each others' names. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 01:12, mighty__mag said: Quote Quote Quote I know he'd never appoint them, but when you think you've got managers of the quality of Benitez, Bielsa, Sampaoli, Rudi Garcia, Favre (even Moyes, Pearson or Rodgers) available.. Took me about 30 seconds to think of this lot. There will be a huge amount more that I haven't listed. Think Pearson would be the only one we could attract to the club sadly, Moyes would take it on. Maybe would be happy with him.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 00:18, duo said: Ashley will listen to Charnley and he picked McClaren so he's not likely to sack him. Wasn't it Carr who pushed (and pushed and pushed) for McClaren? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 01:14, mozy said: Someone like Garcia or Sampaoli would come here and realise within minutes that we don't have players that are capable of playing the way they want to. The same thing that Klopp is finding at Liverpool and Garde has found at Villa. So they'll try and settle on some hybrid of what they want to do vs masking the lack of pace of Colo / lack of heart of Sissoko, etc. And what we'll get is more of the same as what we get now, occasional moments of promise shot down by regular beatings. This is a product of 5 years of flawed recruitment and s*** management of those players (Thanks Alan). No players remain that fit any kind of style / formation and they look as if they don't know each others' names. You get someone as good as Garcia or Sampaoli in and we would stay up. Our squad, whilst flawed in many ways, is strong enough to stay up relatively comfortably if you had a good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I totally disagree with you on that point. There are so many lacking elements in that squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 01:00, Dave said: The recent investment came to try and improve the squad enough for us to stay up. If they thought it was worth investing in the manager they'd have done so at some point in the last six years. But following this logic they've "learned" enough of a lesson from their transfer policy to abandon it, spend £80m in 6 months and signing English players along they way to keep us up. Quite a departure from the previous 4 - 5 years. There's no reason why they now wouldn't fear relegation enough to employ a better manager because it's the only part of their "blueprint" they haven't yet changed to try and avoid relegation. I agree it's unlikely but lose to Stoke and Bournemouth and I think it becomes more of a likelihood personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Lose to Stoke and Bournemouth and we'll be in the bottom three with only nine games left. What manager worth their salt would take that job, even if we were to miraculously realise their importance? The names bandied about in here wouldn't. They don't need to. Even McClaren himself turned it down in similar circumstances ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 01:40, Dave said: Lose to Stoke and Bournemouth and we'll be in the bottom three with only nine games left. What manager worth their salt would take that job, even if we were to miraculously realise their importance? The names bandied about in here wouldn't. They don't need to. Even McClaren himself turned it down in similar circumstances ffs. I don't know like, perhaps offering Moyes £2m (or 3 or 4) as a bonus to keep us up with the promise of the job might be enough. The job is still a big one in football, especially if they intend to spend again in the summer as they'll need to, then we could feasibly have a decent side next year with a good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Throw enough money at anyone (as shown by players moving to China) and those type of managers would come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 01:40, Dave said: Lose to Stoke and Bournemouth and we'll be in the bottom three with only nine games left. What manager worth their salt would take that job, even if we were to miraculously realise their importance? The names bandied about in here wouldn't. They don't need to. Even McClaren himself turned it down in similar circumstances ffs. This, absolutely - if McClaren is going to be sacked, now is the only possible time if a newcomer is to have ANY hope of keeping the club in the PL....my view is that Ashley will bottle it and McClaren will take the club down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 02:18, merlin said: Quote Lose to Stoke and Bournemouth and we'll be in the bottom three with only nine games left. What manager worth their salt would take that job, even if we were to miraculously realise their importance? The names bandied about in here wouldn't. They don't need to. Even McClaren himself turned it down in similar circumstances ffs. This, absolutely - if McClaren is going to be sacked, now is the only possible time if a newcomer is to have ANY hope of keeping the club in the PL....my view is that Ashley will bottle it and McClaren will take the club down. Not sure they could get anyone better than McClaren, . The Summer was a great chance to get someone decent all they seemed to have on their list was McClaren, who turned them down a few weeks earlier. So I am not sure they would have a clue who to go for. Sad times I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 14/02/2016 at 01:40, Dave said: Lose to Stoke and Bournemouth and we'll be in the bottom three with only nine games left. What manager worth their salt would take that job, even if we were to miraculously realise their importance? The names bandied about in here wouldn't. They don't need to. Even McClaren himself turned it down in similar circumstances ffs. Yup. He isn't getting sacked tomorrow so we've very much made our bed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Had a f***ing wicked dream McClaren was stopped at the departure gate on the way to catch the team's flight to the training camp because Ashley sacked him on the way to the airport so his flight tickets were cancelled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 If they make the change now they'll attract someone worth attracting. Every game that goes by it gets harder and harder. We shouldn't be anywhere near the bottom three with this team, manager culpable. Got to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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