Gallowgate Toon Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But KK is known for attacking football. My opinion of SMC is that he's defensive. He's not in Sam's league of awfulness but Big Sam would say the same s***. But from what I can gather, SMc hasn't played defensive football since he went to Holland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 This is the Steve MC side I was expecting though. Well organised and defensive. He's done well to sort the defence out but we don't look like scoring. Aye, we are passing it but i'd rather look like scoring. To be fair, we've had 2 games with 10 men against superior teams and a game at Old Trafford where we probably produced more chances than we'd have expected. If we're not creating against West Ham and Watford I'll start to worry. Let's be honest. Didn't look like scoring against swansea anyway. Ditto Arsenal. 2 half chances and one genuine chance is hardly anything to talk about in attacking terms. I don't consider any of the teams we'v faced to be real untouchable top quality. Pretty sure McClaren himself has said the passing/attacking would come later, the focus is on making us solid first. After last season, he has to be super careful with confidence, especially as do/did have quite a tough opening run of games. I think there's a plan in place and this has to be remembered, it took us quite a while to look an attacking force under KK when he came back, let's not forget. There's also the small matter of the massive windfall that clubs are hoping to cash in on next season. Priority will clearly be to set up defensively and play the counter-attack for 10 or 11 clubs in the division as they try to avoid relegation. You need to score goals to win games and the way this team is set up it won't - we would be a far better team also so just can't understand the logic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But KK is known for attacking football. My opinion of SMC is that he's defensive. He's not in Sam's league of awfulness but Big Sam would say the same s***. But from what I can gather, SMc hasn't played defensive football since he went to Holland. Fair enough but I haven't seen it yet. I'm drawing no conclusions except we haven't loooked like scoring thus far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But KK is known for attacking football. My opinion of SMC is that he's defensive. He's not in Sam's league of awfulness but Big Sam would say the same s***. But from what I can gather, SMc hasn't played defensive football since he went to Holland. Fair enough but I haven't seen it yet. I'm drawing no conclusions except we haven't loooked like scoring thus far. We scored against Southampton, had 10 men against 2 sides and looked a real threat on the break against Man Utd. Not having a pop at you personally but some of the posts on the last couple of pages have been astonishing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But KK is known for attacking football. My opinion of SMC is that he's defensive. He's not in Sam's league of awfulness but Big Sam would say the same s***. But from what I can gather, SMc hasn't played defensive football since he went to Holland. Fair enough but I haven't seen it yet. I'm drawing no conclusions except we haven't loooked like scoring thus far. Isn't that a conclusion you've just drawn? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Flavour of the month in the PL apparently is sitting back and hitting sides on the break, especially at home. Once we get the hang of playing with 11 men for 90 minutes I think it will work. In all fairness to SMcL he's just had to endure half of one match and 75 minutes of another playing with 10 men and did well to avoid leaking a lot of goals which could be crucial come the end of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But KK is known for attacking football. My opinion of SMC is that he's defensive. He's not in Sam's league of awfulness but Big Sam would say the same s***. But from what I can gather, SMc hasn't played defensive football since he went to Holland. Fair enough but I haven't seen it yet. I'm drawing no conclusions except we haven't loooked like scoring thus far. Isn't that a conclusion you've just drawn? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 The performance and attitude of the players is a million times better than last season and I put a lot of that down to Steve McClaren and his team. Not sure why people are on his case thus far tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I don't necessarily think anyone can judge us this much from our opening four games (five, if including Northampton). Against Southampton, we played attacking football and went for it - we ran out of steam after a woeful pre-season and ended up drawing the game. Against Swansea, we played a majority of the game with 10 men against a team who are known for holding the ball and are very good at home. Against Man Utd, we had an excellent game plan which we executed very well and could have snatched a win at points. Against Arsenal, we were reduced to 10 men very early on which resulted in us trying to play the same against Man Utd. We've had a very hard start imo, should we have kept 11 men on the field then we would have picked up a lot more than 2 points. Had we had a better pre-season (not SMC's fault) then we probably would have beaten Southampton. There is no point judging him until 10 games in, when the league starts to take shape. After Chelsea/Man City we have a run of games where you could argue, all of them are easily winnable until the end of the year. All I have drawn from the start of the season is the fact that we are much, much more organised and appear to be playing a much more passing style of football. We've bought in some excellent attack minded players. If we went "all out attack" in the four games we've played so far, especially after going down to 10 men in two of the games - we wouldn't be sat here with 2 points, we'd have much less and probably got thumped 4-0+ in two of the games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But KK is known for attacking football. My opinion of SMC is that he's defensive. He's not in Sam's league of awfulness but Big Sam would say the same s***. But from what I can gather, SMc hasn't played defensive football since he went to Holland. Fair enough but I haven't seen it yet. I'm drawing no conclusions except we haven't loooked like scoring thus far. We scored against Southampton, had 10 men against 2 sides and looked a real threat on the break against Man Utd. Not having a pop at you personally but some of the posts on the last couple of pages have been astonishing. PLayed almost 45 minutes with 11 men at Swansea. Created zilch. Didn't look a real threat against Man Utd at all, we invited pressure and soaked it up. Rarely hit them on the counter. 0 shots on target. Zilch against Arsenal. 2 shots on target in 3 league games. We looked against Soton aye. I believe we tried to clsoe up shop and invited pressure on ourselves too early in that game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Too soon to judge a brand new manager after so few games, particularly after taking over such a damaged unit. I didn't watch the Arsenal game, but going off previous performances I think progress is being made, despite the lack of results. We'll see how the team does in a few months, when McClaren has had more time to mold it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But KK is known for attacking football. My opinion of SMC is that he's defensive. He's not in Sam's league of awfulness but Big Sam would say the same shit. Derby finished 1st and 4th in goals scored in his seasons there. So your opinion is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 with the exception of.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But KK is known for attacking football. My opinion of SMC is that he's defensive. He's not in Sam's league of awfulness but Big Sam would say the same s***. But from what I can gather, SMc hasn't played defensive football since he went to Holland. Fair enough but I haven't seen it yet. I'm drawing no conclusions except we haven't loooked like scoring thus far. We scored against Southampton, had 10 men against 2 sides and looked a real threat on the break against Man Utd. Not having a pop at you personally but some of the posts on the last couple of pages have been astonishing. So are you saying to me playing Anita and Colback together playing 10 yard sideways and backward balls are good tactics, playing Sissoko on the wing is a good tactic, totally isolating your centre forward is a good tactic and if you think this team looks threatening then your watching a different game from me. Yes we were down to 10 men we were being totally overrun before that at Swansea and before the sending off yesterday every time Mitrovic got the ball there was nobody anywhere near him. At Man Utd we had one really threatening break away at the end and one quality cross from a defender which Mitrovic produced a very good header from totally indicating the type of service required - again you must be watching different game to me. Yesterday the one time Sissoko got to the edge of the area before the sending off, he produced a shot from a silly angle to have a shot from and with two players waiting in the box. Playing these two in the centre of midfield will no only produce negative football but is also totally to the detriment of the team an it's so blindl obvious even a blind man can see it but obviously not you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But KK is known for attacking football. My opinion of SMC is that he's defensive. He's not in Sam's league of awfulness but Big Sam would say the same s***. Derby finished 1st and 4th in goals scored in his seasons there. So your opinion is wrong. Remind me again please what Derby done at the end of the season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But KK is known for attacking football. My opinion of SMC is that he's defensive. He's not in Sam's league of awfulness but Big Sam would say the same s***. But from what I can gather, SMc hasn't played defensive football since he went to Holland. Fair enough but I haven't seen it yet. I'm drawing no conclusions except we haven't loooked like scoring thus far. We scored against Southampton, had 10 men against 2 sides and looked a real threat on the break against Man Utd. Not having a pop at you personally but some of the posts on the last couple of pages have been astonishing. So are you saying to me playing Anita and Colback together playing 10 yard sideways and backward balls are good tactics, playing Sissoko on the wing is a good tactic, totally isolating your centre forward is a good tactic and if you think this team looks threatening then your watching a different game from me. Yes we were down to 10 men we were being totally overrun before that at Swansea and before the sending off yesterday every time Mitrovic got the ball there was nobody anywhere near him. At Man Utd we had one really threatening break away at the end and one quality cross from a defender which Mitrovic produced a very good header from totally indicating the type of service required - again you must be watching different game to me. Yesterday the one time Sissoko got to the edge of the area before the sending off, he produced a shot from a silly angle to have a shot from and with two players waiting in the box. Playing these two in the centre of midfield will no only produce negative football but is also totally to the detriment of the team an it's so blindl obvious even a blind man can see it but obviously not you. Put your tampon back in man. I've been very pleased with our performances so far. Sissoko is our most threatening wide player. I'm never going to agree with your opinion, well because it's ludicrous and you are largely on your own. Come back to me in 5 games time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Bitch fight. MiniLOLs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But KK is known for attacking football. My opinion of SMC is that he's defensive. He's not in Sam's league of awfulness but Big Sam would say the same s***. But from what I can gather, SMc hasn't played defensive football since he went to Holland. Fair enough but I haven't seen it yet. I'm drawing no conclusions except we haven't loooked like scoring thus far. We scored against Southampton, had 10 men against 2 sides and looked a real threat on the break against Man Utd. Not having a pop at you personally but some of the posts on the last couple of pages have been astonishing. So are you saying to me playing Anita and Colback together playing 10 yard sideways and backward balls are good tactics, playing Sissoko on the wing is a good tactic, totally isolating your centre forward is a good tactic and if you think this team looks threatening then your watching a different game from me. Yes we were down to 10 men we were being totally overrun before that at Swansea and before the sending off yesterday every time Mitrovic got the ball there was nobody anywhere near him. At Man Utd we had one really threatening break away at the end and one quality cross from a defender which Mitrovic produced a very good header from totally indicating the type of service required - again you must be watching different game to me. Yesterday the one time Sissoko got to the edge of the area before the sending off, he produced a shot from a silly angle to have a shot from and with two players waiting in the box. Playing these two in the centre of midfield will no only produce negative football but is also totally to the detriment of the team an it's so blindl obvious even a blind man can see it but obviously not you. Put your tampon back in man. I've been very pleased with our performances so far. Sissoko is our most threatening wide player. I'm never going to agree with your opinion, well because it's ludicrous and you are largely on your own. Come back to me in 5 games time. Total shit and total clueless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Cannot believe what I am reading, some people really do like to live up to the deluded Geordie stereotype. Four games in and unless we've scored 50 goals and have 12 points, everything is terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Na man McClaren's shite and we can't score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Four games in and Chelsea look awful - they should sack Mourinho for playing Matic because he's too defensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Totally agree. Joses lost the plot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 And when they went down to 10 men against West Brom, they conceded and didn't score. So technically they lost 1-0. And they didn't attack with 10 men. Awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Cannot believe what I am reading, some people really do like to live up to the deluded Geordie stereotype. Four games in and unless we've scored 50 goals and have 12 points, everything is terrible. goes both ways tbh, there's only one poster who has come out with something totally outrageous that i can see so where the rest of your post comes from is a mystery, other people think it's fair to point out that he's made mistakes in his selections and tactics so far, which he fucking has overall i'm personally not unhappy but instead of getting more quality at the back and forming a solid defensive unit we've 'opted' to get the whole team to protect the defence that's still as shaky as fuck when exposed imo and that's coming at the expense of our own attacking intent you'd have to be overly harsh not to accept that we're going through a process mind and that mclaren is clearly trying to instill some professionalism all over the place and we'll be the better for it in the long run, he's being cautious and i can accept that but he can't do it forever he's actually going to have to get some points on the board, which i'm sure he will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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