Heron Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Think our back 4 have been fantastic in these last teo games fwiw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I think most Newcastle fans, certainly on here, would like to see Colback dropped for De Jong or Perez and have a reshuffle. But it's four games in and we have played much better than last season. The points and goals will come IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Cannot believe what I am reading, some people really do like to live up to the deluded Geordie stereotype. Four games in and unless we've scored 50 goals and have 12 points, everything is terrible. goes both ways tbh, there's only one poster who has come out with something totally outrageous that i can see so where the rest of your post comes from is a mystery, other people think it's fair to point out that he's made mistakes in his selections and tactics so far, which he f***ing has overall i'm personally not unhappy but instead of getting more quality at the back and forming a solid defensive unit we've 'opted' to get the whole team to protect the defence that's still as shaky as f*** when exposed imo and that's coming at the expense of our own attacking intent you'd have to be overly harsh not to accept that we're going through a process mind and that mclaren is clearly trying to instill some professionalism all over the place and we'll be the better for it in the long run, he's being cautious and i can accept that but he can't do it forever he's actually going to have to get some points on the board, which i'm sure he will I was referring to both Elcid and TCD who have made comments on the fact that SMC is shit because we're not playing attacking football (amongst other things). Of course he is going to make mistakes early on, he's been manager for four games for crying out loud - he's got new players he's trying to fit in around the existing team. If we had lost every game and been battered in each one, I'd understand peoples comments - but so far we've looked more organised (especially defensively) then we have for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 The Anita-Colback thing's way overplayed, IMO. If we'd have been playing a primarily possession-based game over the last few matches then they'd have been a proper hindrance but I think they're a serviceable combo for when we're mainly looking to play on the break. They provide a platform for the front 4, protect the defence, cover the gaps left by full backs (which we do generally push high, tbf) and are decent enough to keep the ball when we need to relieve pressure. They're not particularly creative, aye, but we just need them to release the ball quickly when we have set ups like we did yesterday. I do think Wijnaldum-Anita-Sissoko has some potential but it's not combative or disciplined enough to play against a team like Arsenal. Unfortunately, I think it's Anita that is the weak link in that scenario because he's just not got the physical ability for it and it'd mean Sissoko-Wijnaldum have to drop more and cover more to make up, creating an even bigger gap between the midfield and striker. We do need another midifelder to come in in the next window, hopefully swapping Tiote out. We started aggressively yesterday, btw, but they quickly got into it. No shame in saying they were just in full flow for those 10 minutes. We were practically 4-3-3 then anyway as Wijnaldum was having to drop really deep as Coquelin was happy to push up. It was only a shame that we were too eager to get rid to Mitrovic in those early minutes, Simpson was seemingly trying to get them to calm down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 McClaren is yet to find his best 11 yet IMO, he's still fairly new here and probably has a bit to learn about a lot of his squad. That coupled with a pretty tough opening set of fixtures has probably made it difficult to get any real idea of progress. I can't say I was too impressed with how we competed for possession before the sending off yesterday, but Arsenal tend to do that to a lot of teams. If in a months time we still don't look like scoring goals I might start asking questions, let's see how we do against the likes of Bournemouth or Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's shit. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Cannot believe what I am reading, some people really do like to live up to the deluded Geordie stereotype. Four games in and unless we've scored 50 goals and have 12 points, everything is terrible. goes both ways tbh, there's only one poster who has come out with something totally outrageous that i can see so where the rest of your post comes from is a mystery, other people think it's fair to point out that he's made mistakes in his selections and tactics so far, which he f***ing has overall i'm personally not unhappy but instead of getting more quality at the back and forming a solid defensive unit we've 'opted' to get the whole team to protect the defence that's still as shaky as f*** when exposed imo and that's coming at the expense of our own attacking intent you'd have to be overly harsh not to accept that we're going through a process mind and that mclaren is clearly trying to instill some professionalism all over the place and we'll be the better for it in the long run, he's being cautious and i can accept that but he can't do it forever he's actually going to have to get some points on the board, which i'm sure he will I was referring to both Elcid and TCD who have made comments on the fact that SMC is s*** because we're not playing attacking football (amongst other things). Of course he is going to make mistakes early on, he's been manager for four games for crying out loud - he's got new players he's trying to fit in around the existing team. If we had lost every game and been battered in each one, I'd understand peoples comments - but so far we've looked more organised (especially defensively) then we have for years. I just think he is a shit manager end of and just have a look at the number of times he has been sacked fully illustrates that. He is here though (how many actually wanted him though lets be honest) but to continue to play Colback and Anita to the detriment of the team is just totally baffling - doesn't matter if it's only four games or not a it was a lot more last season when they played together - the two don't work together as they neither have the physique or the passing ability to dominate the centre of midfield and are overrun very easily and in just about every game also. I could get away with Anita (though even then he would not be by first choice as he is just brushed aside too easily) but to play both is honestly just shocking management and I don't care how you dress it up it is. Perez has done a million times more than these two and contributes a lot more also but is dropped and as a result we isolate our main striker. Sissoko is not a winger as he can't cross the ball and if he is to play should be in the centre of the pitch. Looks like everyone would not play Colback and Anita and yet I am being seen at 'outrageous' for criticising the man who is selecting them to play lol - totally unreal - the formation is wrong, the tactics are wrong and playing on the break howay man do you really want to watch the passing of the ball 10 - 15 yards for 90 minutes between the midfield and defence to then have the odd break away. I put money on now that McClaren will continuously play Anita and Colback doesn't matter what - I wonder what would be said if a certain Mr Pardew carried out the same selection if he was still here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's shit. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. That might also be down to the player's conditioning from the previous regime, I would be surprised if the mentality can be changed overnight. It took Keegan 8 games of dross before he got them to click following Allardyce's time as manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's s***. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. That might also be down to the player's conditioning from the previous regime, I would be surprised if the mentality can be changed overnight. It took Keegan 8 games of dross before he got them to click following Allardyce's time as manager. Keegan took over mid season however. 8 games was roughly... 8 weeks, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's s***. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. That might also be down to the player's conditioning from the previous regime, I would be surprised if the mentality can be changed overnight. It took Keegan 8 games of dross before he got them to click following Allardyce's time as manager. Keegan took over mid season however. 8 games was roughly... 8 weeks, no? just came to post the same aye, mclaren has had the entire preseason like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 We've got options in the middle like. Not sure if Wijnaldum could play on yhe eing but him on the right and Thauvin on the left with Moussa and Vernon in the middle coild be a shout. Perez and Mitrovic up top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 We've got options in the middle like. Not sure if Wijnaldum could play on yhe eing but him on the right and Thauvin on the left with Moussa and Vernon in the middle coild be a shout. Perez and Mitrovic up top. Nope Moussa needs a level of freedom and is undisciplined. Can only play central in a midfield 3 imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 We've got options in the middle like. Not sure if Wijnaldum could play on yhe eing but him on the right and Thauvin on the left with Moussa and Vernon in the middle coild be a shout. Perez and Mitrovic up top. Nope Moussa needs a level of freedom and is undisciplined. Can only play central in a midfield 3 imo. I do agree that he is undisciplined but with the correct coaching there's nowt to say that cannot be learned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Midfield 3 of Wijnaldum, Sissoko and Anita is what we need to go for, with Perez and Thauvin on the wings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Midfield 3 of Wijnaldum, Sissoko and Anita is what we need to go for, with Perez and Thauvin on the wings. Would not say no to that although still not convinced at all by Anita. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Midfield 3 of Wijnaldum, Sissoko and Anita is what we need to go for, with Perez and Thauvin on the wings. Would not say no to that although still not convinced at all by Anita. Has to be this, wont be this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's s***. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. That might also be down to the player's conditioning from the previous regime, I would be surprised if the mentality can be changed overnight. It took Keegan 8 games of dross before he got them to click following Allardyce's time as manager. Keegan took over mid season however. 8 games was roughly... 8 weeks, no? just came to post the same aye, mclaren has had the entire preseason like Preseason isn't the same as playing competitive games though. I don't know if you were expecting results overnight, but I said before the season started that I thought it would be a couple of months in before we started to take shape. If McClaren had come here in January we'd be a lot further forward IMO. That said, if we don't look any better in a month's time then he is obviously going to start coming under pressure. Just too early to draw much conclusion from 4 games and a pretty tough start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Midfield 3 of Wijnaldum, Sissoko and Anita is what we need to go for, with Perez and Thauvin on the wings. Would not say no to that although still not convinced at all by Anita. Has to be this, wont be this. Agree with the won't be and that's why I am so annoyed about it as it's just so obvious that we are a far poorer team but hey ho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's s***. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. That might also be down to the player's conditioning from the previous regime, I would be surprised if the mentality can be changed overnight. It took Keegan 8 games of dross before he got them to click following Allardyce's time as manager. Keegan took over mid season however. 8 games was roughly... 8 weeks, no? just came to post the same aye, mclaren has had the entire preseason like Preseason isn't the same as playing competitive games though. I don't know if you were expecting results overnight, but I said before the season started that I thought it would be a couple of months in before we started to take shape. If McClaren had come here in January we'd be a lot further forward IMO. That said, if we don't look any better in a month's time then he is obviously going to start coming under pressure. Just too early to draw much conclusion from 4 games and a pretty tough start. Patterns of play. Defensive organisation. Movement. is best learnt on the training ground... pre-season is a fantastic time for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's s***. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. That might also be down to the player's conditioning from the previous regime, I would be surprised if the mentality can be changed overnight. It took Keegan 8 games of dross before he got them to click following Allardyce's time as manager. Keegan took over mid season however. 8 games was roughly... 8 weeks, no? just came to post the same aye, mclaren has had the entire preseason like Preseason isn't the same as playing competitive games though. I don't know if you were expecting results overnight, but I said before the season started that I thought it would be a couple of months in before we started to take shape. If McClaren had come here in January we'd be a lot further forward IMO. That said, if we don't look any better in a month's time then he is obviously going to start coming under pressure. Just too early to draw much conclusion from 4 games and a pretty tough start. Posted on this very page or the one just before he needs time, so no I don't expect overnight results but I expect changes to be made to things that are obviously wrong. Took him 3 games to suss Obertan by the looks of it so hopefully that's done with. How many games to work out his midfield pairing does not work and for him to drop Colback? Think we'll be waiting a while myself but literally everyone knows its a bag of shit, there's no one on this board arguing its a good call and that should tell you everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's s***. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. That might also be down to the player's conditioning from the previous regime, I would be surprised if the mentality can be changed overnight. It took Keegan 8 games of dross before he got them to click following Allardyce's time as manager. Keegan took over mid season however. 8 games was roughly... 8 weeks, no? just came to post the same aye, mclaren has had the entire preseason like Preseason isn't the same as playing competitive games though. I don't know if you were expecting results overnight, but I said before the season started that I thought it would be a couple of months in before we started to take shape. If McClaren had come here in January we'd be a lot further forward IMO. That said, if we don't look any better in a month's time then he is obviously going to start coming under pressure. Just too early to draw much conclusion from 4 games and a pretty tough start. Unfortunately he will still be playing Anita and Colback in a month's time and that is the problem - it doesn't work and never will work and just about everyone can see it so why can't he. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's s***. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. That might also be down to the player's conditioning from the previous regime, I would be surprised if the mentality can be changed overnight. It took Keegan 8 games of dross before he got them to click following Allardyce's time as manager. Keegan took over mid season however. 8 games was roughly... 8 weeks, no? just came to post the same aye, mclaren has had the entire preseason like Preseason isn't the same as playing competitive games though. I don't know if you were expecting results overnight, but I said before the season started that I thought it would be a couple of months in before we started to take shape. If McClaren had come here in January we'd be a lot further forward IMO. That said, if we don't look any better in a month's time then he is obviously going to start coming under pressure. Just too early to draw much conclusion from 4 games and a pretty tough start. Unfortunately he will still be playing Anita and Colback in a month's time and that is the problem - it doesn't work and never will work and just about everyone can see it so why can't he. He might be able to see its not working but he might be trying to change one thing at a time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's s***. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. That might also be down to the player's conditioning from the previous regime, I would be surprised if the mentality can be changed overnight. It took Keegan 8 games of dross before he got them to click following Allardyce's time as manager. Keegan took over mid season however. 8 games was roughly... 8 weeks, no? just came to post the same aye, mclaren has had the entire preseason like Preseason isn't the same as playing competitive games though. I don't know if you were expecting results overnight, but I said before the season started that I thought it would be a couple of months in before we started to take shape. If McClaren had come here in January we'd be a lot further forward IMO. That said, if we don't look any better in a month's time then he is obviously going to start coming under pressure. Just too early to draw much conclusion from 4 games and a pretty tough start. Unfortunately he will still be playing Anita and Colback in a month's time and that is the problem - it doesn't work and never will work and just about everyone can see it so why can't he. If he's still playing it and we aren't getting results then it will be good indicator he's not a very good manager. I don't like them as a pair myself, but he's paid to do the job. If he's not winning matches in the next month then his team selections will rightly be looked at for the reasons why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's s***. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. That might also be down to the player's conditioning from the previous regime, I would be surprised if the mentality can be changed overnight. It took Keegan 8 games of dross before he got them to click following Allardyce's time as manager. Keegan took over mid season however. 8 games was roughly... 8 weeks, no? just came to post the same aye, mclaren has had the entire preseason like Preseason isn't the same as playing competitive games though. I don't know if you were expecting results overnight, but I said before the season started that I thought it would be a couple of months in before we started to take shape. If McClaren had come here in January we'd be a lot further forward IMO. That said, if we don't look any better in a month's time then he is obviously going to start coming under pressure. Just too early to draw much conclusion from 4 games and a pretty tough start. Unfortunately he will still be playing Anita and Colback in a month's time and that is the problem - it doesn't work and never will work and just about everyone can see it so why can't he. He might be able to see its not working but he might be trying to change one thing at a time. Yeah sure, only time will tell on that front but he does have other options, this is the issue for me, its not like he's totally boxed into that selection Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never said he's s***. Simply been cautious and defensive as I suspected. That might also be down to the player's conditioning from the previous regime, I would be surprised if the mentality can be changed overnight. It took Keegan 8 games of dross before he got them to click following Allardyce's time as manager. Keegan took over mid season however. 8 games was roughly... 8 weeks, no? just came to post the same aye, mclaren has had the entire preseason like Preseason isn't the same as playing competitive games though. I don't know if you were expecting results overnight, but I said before the season started that I thought it would be a couple of months in before we started to take shape. If McClaren had come here in January we'd be a lot further forward IMO. That said, if we don't look any better in a month's time then he is obviously going to start coming under pressure. Just too early to draw much conclusion from 4 games and a pretty tough start. Unfortunately he will still be playing Anita and Colback in a month's time and that is the problem - it doesn't work and never will work and just about everyone can see it so why can't he. If he's still playing it and we aren't getting results then it will be good indicator he's not a very good manager. I don't like them as a pair myself, but he's paid to do the job. If he's not winning matches in the next month then his team selections will rightly be looked at for the reasons why. Very true I just hope where not playing catch up again with most of the league by then as I honestly think we will be - but your right we just have to wait and see as we have no other choice but too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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