Nobody Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Do you reckon he'll play for England on Wednesday and then be out til the WC-qualifiers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 It will now be best for both parties if Owen leaves. He has been a great player for 9 years, but it does appear that he will always pick up these injuries, esp playing for England. I remain convinced about his ability AND his commitment - I don't believe for one minute that he actually wanted to miss all the games he has for NUFC, but we cannot have a situation like this happening, esp as we are not playing with any pattern or conviction anyway. It is a sad business, but more so for NUFC - we are unlikely to get anything like a decent price for him, probably half what he could potentially be worth - but clubs like Man U could afford to have him out for a few weeks because they have such a load of talent anyway. We do NOT, and we need our best players on the pitch as often as possible ; if a club like Man U DID sign him, the appearances he did make could possibly mean the difference between title and second place.... Lack of appearances for us simply means less chance of us scoring.... If he goes, we will need to replace him, and replace him with the best striker available - I am not convinced that anyone currently playing for NUFC will be able to score regularly, but that is as much a condemnation of the lack of real chances being created in the past few games as criticism of other strikers. I believe the best replacement we have any hope of getting could be Ashton, but it may be summer before that could happen - my choice would be Huntelaar, but I don't think we have a prayer. Agree with every word merlin, and I'm not being funny, but as for the bit in bold, it will be interesting to see how a new player in that bracket would be considered if such a player arrives at SJP. A "trophy signing", or a quality footballer, such is the hypocrisy and lack of understanding of some people, I suspect. I'm not sure thats fair NE5. For me, weve got to give Allardyce and the New Owners the opportunity to prove themselves and if we did buy a big name to replace Owen then so be it. Seeing it as an opportunity to castigate those who have previously complained about FFS's management style and the trophy signing culture is harsh given that it was a bit of a trademark of Shepherds reign. It would be fair if Ashley and Co sign a Ronaldinho every year but until that point I'm prepared to go with the flow and not look for opportunities to score points with regards to complaints about previous Chairman just to prove a point - regardless of who they sign to replace Owen, should he go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Guys NO WAY would Big Sam ever sell Owen, he would be shit scared of some kind of back lash from the fans as alot of people are under the impression we love Owen and never want him to leave. Im not convinced Sam wants to keep Owen but like i said he wouldnt sell him due to a back lash from some fans. Sam surely knows that Owen will never work in his 433. It also remains to be seen how Sam can deal with a big club and big players but im fully convinced we will never sell Owen, he will only leave if he doesnt sign a new deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest niina Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Do you reckon he'll play for England on Wednesday and then be out til the WC-qualifiers? For Owen case, it's always possible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I honestly can't see anyone taking Owen. He's a total crock. He just isn't worth the wages he demands because he's so injury-prone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I honestly can't see anyone taking Owen. He's a total crock. He just isn't worth the wages he demands because he's so injury-prone. if owen joined someone else he wouldnt get injured again its just our luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montey Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Michael Owen, you are the weakest link....... Goodbye! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 It will now be best for both parties if Owen leaves. He has been a great player for 9 years, but it does appear that he will always pick up these injuries, esp playing for England. I remain convinced about his ability AND his commitment - I don't believe for one minute that he actually wanted to miss all the games he has for NUFC, but we cannot have a situation like this happening, esp as we are not playing with any pattern or conviction anyway. It is a sad business, but more so for NUFC - we are unlikely to get anything like a decent price for him, probably half what he could potentially be worth - but clubs like Man U could afford to have him out for a few weeks because they have such a load of talent anyway. We do NOT, and we need our best players on the pitch as often as possible ; if a club like Man U DID sign him, the appearances he did make could possibly mean the difference between title and second place.... Lack of appearances for us simply means less chance of us scoring.... If he goes, we will need to replace him, and replace him with the best striker available - I am not convinced that anyone currently playing for NUFC will be able to score regularly, but that is as much a condemnation of the lack of real chances being created in the past few games as criticism of other strikers. I believe the best replacement we have any hope of getting could be Ashton, but it may be summer before that could happen - my choice would be Huntelaar, but I don't think we have a prayer. Agree with every word merlin, and I'm not being funny, but as for the bit in bold, it will be interesting to see how a new player in that bracket would be considered if such a player arrives at SJP. A "trophy signing", or a quality footballer, such is the hypocrisy and lack of understanding of some people, I suspect. I'm not sure thats fair NE5. For me, weve got to give Allardyce and the New Owners the opportunity to prove themselves and if we did buy a big name to replace Owen then so be it. Seeing it as an opportunity to castigate those who have previously complained about FFS's management style and the trophy signing culture is harsh given that it was a bit of a trademark of Shepherds reign. It would be fair if Ashley and Co sign a Ronaldinho every year but until that point I'm prepared to go with the flow and not look for opportunities to score points with regards to complaints about previous Chairman just to prove a point - regardless of who they sign to replace Owen, should he go. got respect for your points mate, but I find it hard to agree. You cannot ever have enough quality players, and often they cost a lot of money, the major point being that if you want to win trophies, you have to have the players the clubs that are winning the trophies want themselves. I cannot accept people castigating the old board for trying to bring quality players into the club in any shape or form. Neither can I the new board. There is absolutely no difference whatsoever. I hope the new board carries on attempting to bring the top quality players into the club that the last board did, and I also hope that they bring in more. Re Ronaldhino, a player like this - however good - I would however see as a sap to the fans, the old board didn't bring in this type of player, ever. Alan Shearer broke the world transfer record, but he was a solid signing who would commit himself totally to the club and justify his fee, that was never in doubt at any time. Injuries permitting of course. The same goes for Owen actually, I don't doubt his committment to Newcastle, he's just been injured. I don't think the old board signed any "trophy" players at all. I would be interested in people who claim this rubbish, to name them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I don't see us getting much money for Owen. Doesn't his release clause stand at £6M next summer, if we fail to make Europe? That's probably about his value if we're honest, given he'll walk for free in a little over 18 months time. He won't sign a new contract, his time here has been a nightmare for both the club and the player and he must know Allardyce's tactics aren't suiting him one bit. So far he has failed to show potential suitors that he is still the player he once was or that he can stay injury free for any period of time, and everybody knows he'll be free if they wait. Our only way of getting a good fee for him might be if one of the bigger clubs picks up a serious injury in January and decide to turn to Owen, whereby we can add a bit to his pricetag because of the urgency of their situation. Barring something like that, we'll be lucky to get anything over £6M next summer IMO. The quicker we can chalk this off as one massive mistake and deeply unfortunate transfer the better, he may be one of the best finishers around but how many points a season does that translate to when he's constantly injured? We won't get someone as naturally gifted but we might get someone who is injury-free and does a decent enough job for the team all-year round such as Martins, and that type of player will generate far more points over the course of a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 i think plenty of sides would want owen, but not neccessarily ones he would want to join. clubs like west ham, wigan, spurs, man city and so on could all afford him and would probably take the risk, but would he join them? i can't see him moving abroad so his options are limited, he'll be hoping a man utd or chelsea will come in for him and use him sparingly as that is the best he can hope for, don't think benitez will touch him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Reports saying four to six weeks now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Great thats us fucked in the ass in January, time for Viduka to get some fitness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Oba Obafem, Oba Obafem, Oba Obafem, Obafemi Martins. We'll be absolutely fine. It'll hurt Owen more than it will hurt us. [/hunch] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest niina Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I honestly can't see anyone taking Owen. He's a total crock. He just isn't worth the wages he demands because he's so injury-prone. if owen joined someone else he wouldnt get injured again its just our luck See Dyer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Luque Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 My total disregard for England has now become hatred. I've gone from not giving a shit about whether they win, to hoping that they lose. If Owen had any balls about him he'd do a Shearer / Scholes / Carragher and tell the national side to fuck off. Oh look everyone, a flying pig! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Michael Owen must be the worst signing in the history of our football club, £17 may as well have been flushed down the toilet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Michael Owen must be the worst signing in the history of our football club, £17 may as well have been flushed down the toilet. Probably. Scored a coupla handfuls of goals but other than that has been a completely negative signing for all concerned. Let's hope we learn from this. Paying through the nose for a star to join the club is one thing, but when that player is also a massive injury concern you don't even get any benefits from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Michael Owen must be the worst signing in the history of our football club, £17 may as well have been flushed down the toilet. You mean you still aren't 'pleasantly suprised' by Owen yet? A complete waste of money for a trophy signing designed to make Fat Fred look good for a while. A total disaster from start to finish. > Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 got respect for your points mate, but I find it hard to agree. You cannot ever have enough quality players, and often they cost a lot of money, the major point being that if you want to win trophies, you have to have the players the clubs that are winning the trophies want themselves. I cannot accept people castigating the old board for trying to bring quality players into the club in any shape or form. Neither can I the new board. There is absolutely no difference whatsoever. I hope the new board carries on attempting to bring the top quality players into the club that the last board did, and I also hope that they bring in more. Re Ronaldhino, a player like this - however good - I would however see as a sap to the fans, the old board didn't bring in this type of player, ever. Alan Shearer broke the world transfer record, but he was a solid signing who would commit himself totally to the club and justify his fee, that was never in doubt at any time. Injuries permitting of course. The same goes for Owen actually, I don't doubt his committment to Newcastle, he's just been injured. I don't think the old board signed any "trophy" players at all. I would be interested in people who claim this rubbish, to name them. Owen has been a total waste of money and it was predictable, £17 million for a player with a terrible injury record wasn't money well spent. I seem to remember chants of sack the board just before we splashed that money on Owen, I wonder if it had anything to do with the purchase, I wonder if it had anything to do with us out-bidding Liverpool by £9 million. Liverpool were supposed to have bid £8 million so we go and offer £17 million, it just doesn't make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harry-Norway Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Well,i not that worry that much,he dont score for Toon anymore anyway,Bring in Martins,he is our top goalscorer this season and deserve more time on the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harry-Norway Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Michael Owen must be the worst signing in the history of our football club, £17 may as well have been flushed down the toilet. dont forget the good big spanish goalscorer Mr.Luque,he is even bigger waste of money,how much did we get for him???nothing??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 got respect for your points mate, but I find it hard to agree. You cannot ever have enough quality players, and often they cost a lot of money, the major point being that if you want to win trophies, you have to have the players the clubs that are winning the trophies want themselves. I cannot accept people castigating the old board for trying to bring quality players into the club in any shape or form. Neither can I the new board. There is absolutely no difference whatsoever. I hope the new board carries on attempting to bring the top quality players into the club that the last board did, and I also hope that they bring in more. Re Ronaldhino, a player like this - however good - I would however see as a sap to the fans, the old board didn't bring in this type of player, ever. Alan Shearer broke the world transfer record, but he was a solid signing who would commit himself totally to the club and justify his fee, that was never in doubt at any time. Injuries permitting of course. The same goes for Owen actually, I don't doubt his committment to Newcastle, he's just been injured. I don't think the old board signed any "trophy" players at all. I would be interested in people who claim this rubbish, to name them. Owen has been a total waste of money and it was predictable, £17 million for a player with a terrible injury record wasn't money well spent. I seem to remember chants of sack the board just before we splashed that money on Owen, I wonder if it had anything to do with the purchase, I wonder if it had anything to do with us out-bidding Liverpool by £9 million. Liverpool were supposed to have bid £8 million so we go and offer £17 million, it just doesn't make sense. I didnt' see you or anyone else predicting it. Same old Mick. Head in the sand, bring back an unambitious board that counts the pennies, doesn't attempt to buy quality/"trophy" players, and you'll be happy making excuses for them. See my previous post. Why don't you name these "trophy" players that you think we bought, or would you prefer we sell them instead ie Gazza, Beardsley and Waddle ? As I've said to you before, I look forward to the current board matching the Champions League qualifications, as in the eyes of people like you its all Shepherds fault we didn't do better than that. Do you accept that to challenge the teams at the top we have to buy the calibre of player that they do, yes or no ? Fairly basic stuff this, the answer is obvious to an 8 year old. You'll never have a clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Michael Owen must be the worst signing in the history of our football club, £17 may as well have been flushed down the toilet. You mean you still aren't 'pleasantly suprised' by Owen yet? A complete waste of money for a trophy signing designed to make Fat Fred look good for a while. A total disaster from start to finish. > sheds are made from planks aren't they Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubblyDubblyDubbly Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Cost us the same as Bent...about as useful....or do I mean useless ? Fine when he's fit....whenever that is. As an aside, I've had 18 months off playing footie due to cartilage problems. I'm as fit as I've ever been due to gym work, but kicking a footaball...I'm shite. I'm getting painful quads when I smack a ball...... no amount of gym work/remedial is helping.... 'spose I just have to keep playing and build up my match fitness...just like Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I didnt' see you or anyone else predicting it. Same old Mick. Head in the sand, bring back an unambitious board that counts the pennies, doesn't attempt to buy quality/"trophy" players, and you'll be happy making excuses for them. See my previous post. Why don't you name these "trophy" players that you think we bought, or would you prefer we sell them instead ie Gazza, Beardsley and Waddle ? As I've said to you before, I look forward to the current board matching the Champions League qualifications, as in the eyes of people like you its all Shepherds fault we didn't do better than that. Do you accept that to challenge the teams at the top we have to buy the calibre of player that they do, yes or no ? Fairly basic stuff this, the answer is obvious to an 8 year old. You'll never have a clue. I'm not surprised that you didn't see the prediction regarding Owen but I know quite a few were against Owen coming here, I'm sure Wullie was as strongly against it as I was. I'm sure we both felt that Owen was a very good player but one with injury problems and a player whose transfer fee could have been spent better. Yes we do have to buy quality players in order to qualify for the CL, players like Owen are too risky and should be avoided, he's no good to us when he's sitting in the stands or at Chester Races while the rest of the team are in training for a game in which Owen is injured. It was the same with Woodgate while he was here, a brilliant player but no good in the stands on match day. Newcastle having Owen at the club is as much use as one of us having a Ferrari with only 3 wheels, totally useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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