Taylor Swift Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I knew I was stretching it a bit with that comparison but Owen's just not looking like himself atm. Lethargic play and of course the not finishing chances thing. I know he's lost pace and all but that doesn't mean he's lost the ability to score. Which is why I still think, if he can remain fit, he is comparable to Shearer pre-SBR in that he was being used in the wrong way/strengths not played to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Re: best finisher, if I had to give a chance to either Viduka or Owen in the last minute to win a match, these days it would be the big man every single time. I realise this is a ridiculous hypothetical situation. Us winning a match - spot on, viduka is clinical and has a variety of finishes in his repertoire, owen is an instinctive finisher (whose shot is actually pretty weak and not as precisely aimed as viduka's) who does 9/10s of his goalscoring by getting into the right positions. now his legs seem to have gone even these two parts of his game looks to have been adversely effected. i still think we can get a good return out of him but only if used sparingly and in a team that addresses his weaknesses and plays to his strengths. then again he is so fragile that its not worthwhile to build a side around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edd Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 After another less than stellar performance by easily our best-known player, i wonder what you lot think of him. I think he's just returning from injury and a long way short of match fitness. What's your excuse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Legs = gone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rebel_yell12 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Of course Owen is "past it". His pace is gone and that was the entirety of his ability. He can't shoot with his left foot. He's too short to use his head effectively. He only cares about England. He gets injured too easily. He isn't strong enough to retain the ball. He's a different player after the injury. He's greedy. He's arrogant. Doesn't deserve the plaudits he gets, never has. All in all, he's utter sh***. Just like he was last time he had a bad match. And the time before that. And the time before that. For the last 9 or so years. (His first year, he was everyone's favorite "wonderboy" who could do no wrong apparently) I know football is based heavily off recent performances, but the truth is that Owen isn't still riding on that one match in St. Etienne. He's currently riding on providing 4 points for Newcastle in the league with two important goals, and four goals for England in the last 5 competitive matches in which he played (aided, yes, and rightly so, by his reputation of 10 years). His first full 90 after another injury layoff, and he looked "rusty" on the shot. He's done it before after an injury (see earlier this season, up to the Wigan game) I'll give him a longer run out before I'm willing to look a fool saying he's finished and then in two or three matches he hits his stride. And no England waiting around the corner to crock him again this time so Newcastle might actually get to enjoy his "stride". Truth is, Owen has always been streaky -- look at his Liverpool record, even in the Treble year. Did he play well today? Not for Michael Owen. For a less gifted striker, eh...not so bad. But for Owen, that was well below standard. Slate the performance, (it was far from his best performance) but declaring the player "finished" seems premature. I'm more worried about those players for whom such performances do not appear to be "below standard" but rather "standard". Players who don't have Owen's record (recent [by which I mean the last 4-5 mos. not the last 4-5 days] or long-term) to fall back on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 thought he was neat and tidy first half to be honest, none existant in the second. sounds a cliche but he needs games, every time he gets anywhere near back he goes down injured again. if he strings a few ganmes together and we start to create a few chances in a game he'll still put them away. would still like to see us sell him though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Li3nZ Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Far too early to judge after injury, simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Li3nZ Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 And he is still our best finisher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ridzuan Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 No he is not past it.He just needs some decent delivery into the box and he will get you the goals.If he went to a bigger club now,I think he would have no problem scoring goals regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Never the player he was without that burst of pace, but thats been the same case for a couple of years. Still a good player though and our best option upfront. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anders Rye Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 If Martins missed the two chances, where he was alone with the keeper, Owen has in the last two games Martins would be slated. Owen is terrible, no pace and no movement, all he is is a small player on the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmag Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Far too early to judge after injury, simple as that. And when do you think that time has come? In four years time? Everyone says that Martins i cack, but it is beyond me, what MO has done for the goods of this club. Marcelino was called a mercenary? That was probably because he is spanish?!?!? Anyway, I still hope we'll get rid of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmag Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 If Martins missed the two chances, where he was alone with the keeper, Owen has in the last two games Martins would be slated. Owen is terrible, no pace and no movement, all he is is a small player on the field. Agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edd Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Far too early to judge after injury, simple as that. And when do you think that time has come? In four years time? Everyone says that Martins i cack, but it is beyond me, what MO has done for the goods of this club. Marcelino was called a mercenary? That was probably because he is spanish?!?!? Anyway, I still hope we'll get rid of him. In what way is Owen a mercenary? Yes he's had lots of injuries but to call him a mercenary suggests you don't think they are genuine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 If you think Owen is past it and not good enough - fine. Hard to disagree given his form since returning from the last major injury. I fail to see how that makes Martins any better or good enough either though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Li3nZ Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Far too early to judge after injury, simple as that. And when do you think that time has come? In four years time? Everyone says that Martins i cack, but it is beyond me, what MO has done for the goods of this club. Marcelino was called a mercenary? That was probably because he is spanish?!?!? Anyway, I still hope we'll get rid of him. Owen has done nothing major. 1st game back after injury what does anyone expect? He has lost pace, but you never lose talent. It even took Shearer a fair bit to recover after major injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kadafi Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Owen is still class! I know he dosent give a shit about Newcastle but still i feel sorry for the lad for not getting the service hes used to. Put Owen in any top 4 club and you got your self a 20+ goalscorer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 As slow as Kev. Probably still our best pure finisher though. It's terribly unbecoming to poke fun at the mentally challenged who the f*** do you think you are? dave i dont give a toss if you ban me for this but im sick of wankers on this shitty forum, full of complete utter wankers who know f*** all, all they want to do is try n take the piss out of a 14 yr old...sad really im not just picking you, its everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 jamie is too scared to say this on his account and rang me to tell you this dave: you are a sad cunt whos never off this forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 jamie is too scared to say this on his account and rang me to tell you this dave: you are a sad cunt whos never off this forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 jamie is too scared to say this on his account and rang me to tell you this dave: you are a sad c*** whos never off this forum dont deny it! you always call him and tell me to say things to him now i got sick and eventually did... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boot Boy Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I don't think he's 'past it' necessarily. I just don't think his heart's in it to play for Newcastle United. [i was going to add 'anymore' but thought better of it] From my own experience of playing football*, I know that if your heart's not in playing, you usually look about half as good as you actually are. * Cue the posts ridiculing me for drawing comparisons between my experiences of amateur football and those of a Premiership footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 mackems.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ember Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Not 'past it', think he's just 'lacking match fitness' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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