midds Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Swansea have bought a centre forward for 12 million quid while Norwich have spent 17 million on two. Meanwhile Newcastle United are proving their ambition by trying to knock a million off 7 for their main striking target. This is it exactly. The money is there but the willingness to invest and strengthen is not. Southampton have just spent £12m to take Celtic's best midfielder away from them. West Ham have spent millions to secure Carroll permanently. Sunderland have rolled the dice a little but at least they're having a go. Yet we've done nothing to move the club forward. Relying on the 3 promoted teams and Stoke to be worse than us to avoid relegation. It's embarrassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Let's not forget Norwich have greater commercial revenue than us. We can't compete with their spending power. Sovereign state tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad. The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets. Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hadn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back up centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker. A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad. I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy. Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad. The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets. Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hasn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back ip centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker. A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad. I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy. Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no.... the problem here is your unhappy with Kinnear but he's the guy in charge of the recruitment policy now and he's made it a lot worse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad. The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets. Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hadn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back up centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker. A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad. I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy. Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no.... Excellent post. I'm prepared to give Pardew one more chance, as I've said before, but I agree the recruitment policy in general is fairly sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The awful thing is that while Shola is scoring goals in pre-season, I honestly believe it means Ashley will be thinking it's not worth spending too much money on another striker. After all, he gave us Gouffran in January so we should be grateful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Still pretty hopeful we will get Remy then one of Gomis/Bent, just depends who curbs first on price.. villa or lyon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad. The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets. Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hasn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back ip centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker. A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad. I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy. Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no.... the problem here is your unhappy with Kinnear but he's the guy in charge of the recruitment policy now and he's made it a lot worse I'm sure he hasn't helped much, but weirdly there's no evidence for what you said there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The awful thing is that while Shola is scoring goals in pre-season, I honestly believe it means Ashley will be thinking it's not worth spending too much money on another striker. After all, he gave us Gouffran in January so we should be grateful. So you believe the Remy and Gomis moves are just fake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The transfer policy has only paid off once (when we finished 5th) and even then we were short of what we needed. It's faulty and needed to be changed ages ago. Ironically this playing hard ball policy would be much more effective if the squad was kept well stocked with quality in all areas instead of when we desperately need players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad. The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets. Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hasn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back ip centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker. A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad. I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy. Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no.... the problem here is your unhappy with Kinnear but he's the guy in charge of the recruitment policy now and he's made it a lot worse I'm sure he hasn't helped much, but weirdly there's no evidence for what you said there. the fact we've signed no one with the season 3 weeks away when we had one deal all but done before the half wit arrived and said nah haven't heard of him isn't evidence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad. The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets. Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hasn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back ip centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker. A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad. I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy. Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no.... the problem here is your unhappy with Kinnear but he's the guy in charge of the recruitment policy now and he's made it a lot worse I'm sure he hasn't helped much, but weirdly there's no evidence for what you said there. He's off again. Nurse! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The squads not good enough, no where near IMO looking at how other clubs have strengthened. Pardew isn't our biggest problem here at the moment when he should be after his abysmal performance as manager last season. We have a transfer policy / structure which time and time again doesn't fill what the team has needed for the last 5 seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad. The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets. Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hasn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back ip centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker. A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad. I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy. Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no.... the problem here is your unhappy with Kinnear but he's the guy in charge of the recruitment policy now and he's made it a lot worse I'm sure he hasn't helped much, but weirdly there's no evidence for what you said there. the fact we've signed no one with the season 3 weeks away when we had one deal all but done before the half wit arrived and said nah haven't heard of him isn't evidence? Apparently not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The squads not good enough, no where near IMO looking at how other clubs have strengthened. Pardew isn't our biggest problem here at the moment when he should be after his abysmal performance as manager last season. We have a transfer policy / structure which time and time again doesn't fill what the team has needed for the last 5 seasons. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The awful thing is that while Shola is scoring goals in pre-season, I honestly believe it means Ashley will be thinking it's not worth spending too much money on another striker. After all, he gave us Gouffran in January so we should be grateful. So you believe the Remy and Gomis moves are just fake? If we really wanted them, they'd be here by now. We only want them if they provide fucking value for fucking money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The squads not good enough, no where near IMO looking at how other clubs have strengthened. Pardew isn't our biggest problem here at the moment when he should be after his abysmal performance as manager last season. We have a transfer policy / structure which time and time again doesn't fill what the team has needed for the last 5 seasons. Its alreet we are in one less competition this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The awful thing is that while Shola is scoring goals in pre-season, I honestly believe it means Ashley will be thinking it's not worth spending too much money on another striker. After all, he gave us Gouffran in January so we should be grateful. So you believe the Remy and Gomis moves are just fake? Not fake, but it's why we're penny pinching. As Neesy said, if we were desperate, we'd have them signed up at all costs. MA clearly thinks we're not desperate hence why he's trying to be as frugal as possible. It's a further example of him thinking he understands how football works when he clearly doesn't have a fucking clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Fucking hell A couple of months away from Pardews constant backwards team selections and tactics and suddenly he's not all that bad a manager after all.. The fucker does his utmost to fuck up any chance we have during a game, uses players in the worst possible way, but the biggest problem now is that Kinnear hasn't signed anyone yet.. Its a problem, but the bigger issue is still our manager. Lets just wait until the season starts and read some of the match threads after Pardews gone ultra defensive against some nobody side at home to try to claw out a point and see just how much of a problem some of you think he is then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The squads not good enough, no where near IMO looking at how other clubs have strengthened. Pardew isn't our biggest problem here at the moment when he should be after his abysmal performance as manager last season. We have a transfer policy / structure which time and time again doesn't fill what the team has needed for the last 5 seasons. I'll keep saying this to the cows come home, but most of those signings are very average and are not better than what we have and i wouldn't personally want us signing those players. Squad is not good enough but i think some are going to be surprised how average some of these players coming in to the league are and people are being blinded by the fact they cost lots. We still need more yes but if we had a decent manager it wouldn't even be a concern. Its the small squad combined with the fact there's a moron in charge who doesn't know how to get the most from the squad which is causing the anxiety. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The transfer policy has only paid off once (when we finished 5th) and even then we were short of what we needed. It's faulty and needed to be changed ages ago. Ironically this playing hard ball policy would be much more effective if the squad was kept well stocked with quality in all areas instead of when we desperately need players. Spot on. Our amazing policy nearly got us relegated ffs. The season before that was a bunch of opportunity buys for available players. And the squad is nowhere near strong enough. A few injuries decimates it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I'm still waiting for Leon Best's replacement. Never mind Ba and Shola eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 If the manager is shit, surely spending more on the squad becomes even more of a necessity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We can stick out a decent first XI when everyone is fit but our bench is still well below average. If you have any ambition you should always be looking to upgrade on your first XI, shift those being replaced to the bench and those currently on the bench out of the club - a continuous cycle of improvement. We don't follow that whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 If the manager is s***, surely spending more on the squad becomes even more of a necessity. That's what i'm trying to say, obviously not making a very good job of it. The reason we need signings so desperately is the ineptitude of the manager, if this wasn't the case we would be ok. As is it we need some signings to cover the managers backside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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