Decky Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 .... if this was our midfield against Brum: Geremi Barton Butt Martins Either that or 433 with Martins up front, but still. I would easily say that is the worst if not then in the top 3 worst midfields the league has seen all year. When was the last season our midfield was so terrible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dev Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 .... if this was our midfield against Brum: Geremi Barton Butt Martins Either that or 433 with Martins up front, but still. I would easily say that is the worst if not then in the top 3 worst midfields the league has seen all year. When was the last season our midfield was so terrible? The sport scientist genius of Allardyce truly was revealed in his letting go Nobby and Dyer to replace them with Barton and Geremi (and Smith even!). Who needs creativity when you have grit and ProZone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garth Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 .... if this was our midfield against Brum: Geremi Barton Butt Martins Either that or 433 with Martins up front, but still. I would easily say that is the worst if not then in the top 3 worst midfields the league has seen all year. When was the last season our midfield was so terrible? The sport scientist genius of Allardyce truly was revealed in his letting go Nobby and Dyer to replace them with Barton and Geremi (and Smith even!). Who needs creativity when you have grit and ProZone? The fact is both Dyer and Nobby wanted to leave for personal and family reasons nothing to do with Sam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 The fact is he replaced them with Geremi and Barton, it's irrelevant that they both wanted to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Why did they want to leave? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Stop moanin man and support your team.Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 "The fact is both Dyer and Nobby wanted to leave for personal and family reasons nothing to do with Sam." hahahha u actually believe that!! thats just spin, cos faty couldnt admit to losing someof his biggest players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 He got the replacements all wrong but let's not pretend either of them would have been available 100% of the time for us. Solano has been in and out of the West Ham side and probably has worse legs than Geremi at this point. Dyer BROKE a fucking leg and won't be back until May. FFS if he'd still been with us half of you lot would be circlejerking over how you knew something like this would happen and how he should have been shipped out in the summer. You know you would have so don't bother replying that you wouldn't. Probably was the right thing to let them go but the wrong thing to get Geremi and Barton in place of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Why did they want to leave? Blood tests. At a guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkeye Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I thought Butt had a great game last night, Geremi was generally ok although Barton was shocking (again!). Same midfield but, replace Barton with Zog on Saturday for me, it is about as good as we have got. Surely Diatta can't be any worse than Faye either............ Either him or give Cacapa another go!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Why did they want to leave? Blood tests. At a guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I thought Butt had a great game last night, Geremi was generally ok although Barton was shocking (again!). Same midfield but, replace Barton with Zog on Saturday for me, it is about as good as we have got. Surely Diatta can't be any worse than Faye either............ Either him or give Cacapa another go!! Oooo, kneejerk tastic. He's had one poor game ffs. Agree. Faye is the best central defender we've had since Woodgate imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 i would say that midfield is half decent tbh, nicky butt has been a big player for us over the past 2 seasons, geremi has played well in his last 2 games, martins is our top goalscorer, even though he was kind of playing upfront, barton is the shit one, but he still creates quite a bit without people noticeing I thought Butt had a great game last night, Geremi was generally ok although Barton was shocking (again!). Same midfield but, replace Barton with Zog on Saturday for me, it is about as good as we have got. Surely Diatta can't be any worse than Faye either............ Either him or give Cacapa another go!! Oooo, kneejerk tastic. He's had one poor game ffs. Agree. Faye is the best central defender we've had since Woodgate imo. faye has been diabolical the last few games, mistake after mistake and he now cant clear a ball. he was our best defender BEFORE african cup of nations, now beye or enrique can be classed as our 'best' defenders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Faye had a torrid time last night a lightweight striker had him allover the shop, he did not look his usual settled self, Butt had to give him and Taylor loads more cover and protection in the 2nd half. I do worry though that we don;t have the right midfield players to have a decent three man midfield system, a three man midfield's means both Milner and Zoggy get dropped and they are our midfield pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 i would say that midfield is half decent tbh, nicky butt has been a big player for us over the past 2 seasons, geremi has played well in his last 2 games, martins is our top goalscorer, even though he was kind of playing upfront, barton is the s*** one, but he still creates quite a bit without people noticeing I thought Butt had a great game last night, Geremi was generally ok although Barton was shocking (again!). Same midfield but, replace Barton with Zog on Saturday for me, it is about as good as we have got. Surely Diatta can't be any worse than Faye either............ Either him or give Cacapa another go!! Oooo, kneejerk tastic. He's had one poor game ffs. Agree. Faye is the best central defender we've had since Woodgate imo. faye has been diabolical the last few games, mistake after mistake and he now cant clear a ball. he was our best defender BEFORE african cup of nations, now beye or enrique can be classed as our 'best' defenders Faye had an excellent game against Blackburn and I wouldn't single him out for special mention over anyone else against Liverpool. My point was about central defenders not defenders in general btw. Beye has been our best defender all season. But he isn't a central defender or at least hasn't been used as one here. It looks like Enrique is starting to settle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 "The fact is both Dyer and Nobby wanted to leave for personal and family reasons nothing to do with Sam." hahahha u actually believe that!! thats just spin, cos faty couldnt admit to losing someof his biggest players. I hate that being spouted out as a excuse to let them go, just look at the way Keegan handled N'Zogbia, he wanted to leave in january but at least turned his head to getting another 15-20 games out of him. We all know that Solano loved the club and the City, you cant tell me he couldnt have been talked into staying until january at least, that player alone could have been the diffrence between where we are and being 6-7 points better off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Faye had a bad game last night, let's hope it was just a bad day at the office. He's looked our best centre back otherwise. I thought Taylor had a few hairy moments as well but that's to be expected. He really worries me. Nicky Butt for all I've criticised him, was good last night. Stood up to be counted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkeye Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I would say that Faye has not looked great all for a few weeks and last night was a shocker for him, his ability to clear the ball from danger is weak and for a big guy he is poor in the air. I never make knee jerk reactions to football, I am as emotional about Newcastle as the next man but, I have been around long enough to remain phylosophical, I feel that I am very forgiving to players having a "bad day" but, Faye has never looked comfortable on the ball to me and in recent weeks he has got worse. Confidence is a problem for him. Cacapa is great on the ball (most of the time) and has a decent turn of pace for an older player but, Diatta is captain of Senegal and has played with Beye numerous times meaning that it would make sense to look seriously at giving him a go with Taylor. Taylor needs a strong partner to lead him, if he is confident in his partner at the centre of defence Taylor seems to play a lot better himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I quite like Cacapa but he doesn't have a decent turn of pace by any standards. Fucking sick of hearing about players needed to basically 'carry' Taylor too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkeye Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Didn't say that Taylor needs to be carried, I said that he plays better when he is with another central defender who is strong and vocal. Taylor is a very decent player and doesn't do too much wrong but, when his confidence is up as it often is when playing along side a more vociferous partner he is almost the complete package, more than good enough for a top half Premier League team anyway. PS - Cacapa has got decent pace, not electric by any standards but, he is pretty quick in a straight line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I would say that Faye has not looked great all for a few weeks and last night was a shocker for him, his ability to clear the ball from danger is weak and for a big guy he is poor in the air. I never make knee jerk reactions to football, I am as emotional about Newcastle as the next man but, I have been around long enough to remain phylosophical, I feel that I am very forgiving to players having a "bad day" but, Faye has never looked comfortable on the ball to me and in recent weeks he has got worse. Confidence is a problem for him. Cacapa is great on the ball (most of the time) and has a decent turn of pace for an older player but, Diatta is captain of Senegal and has played with Beye numerous times meaning that it would make sense to look seriously at giving him a go with Taylor. Taylor needs a strong partner to lead him, if he is confident in his partner at the centre of defence Taylor seems to play a lot better himself. Wait ... so you think Faye has never looked comfortable on the ball and has a confidence problem, but you think he should be dropped while Taylor remains in the team Multiply those problems you have identified in Faye by a million and that is Taylor, so if anything Taylor should be the one heading to the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Both Faye and Taylor would have benefitted immensely from playing alongside Woodgate. Both need to be carried to an extent, neither seem able to organise the defence at all. Cacapa isn't physically built for the Premiership, or at least not at this point in his career anyway, but it would seem that he alongside one of Faye or Taylor would be the best way to go. Taylor is an accident waiting to happen at the minute though, so Faye should be starting ahead of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Faye had a bit of a shocker like last night. Taylor in the first half when he tried to head the ball and it just bounced over him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Taylor made about four gaffes in the first half, luckily none of them were punished. Other than that the defence improved considerably as a unit 2nd half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 He's got a right old 50 pence head on him like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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