NUFC want to offer Owen new deal

[Guest guinness_fiend]

If Owen was to leave, I don't think there'll be another club on the face of the Earth that'll offer him close to £100k/week.

 

Just out of curiosity, how do we know that he is on £100K a week?  Not meaning to be awkward, I just thought it was Newspapertalk?

 

 

[Dave]

If Owen was to leave, I don't think there'll be another club on the face of the Earth that'll offer him close to £100k/week.

 

Just out of curiosity, how do we know that he is on £100K a week?  Not meaning to be awkward, I just thought it was Newspapertalk?

 

 

 

Nobody on here knows, it's just normally dropped in when someone wants to have a go at him as it sounds outrageous.

 

I don't think there's any doubt he'll be our top earner, but as to the actual figures? Fuck knows.

[Guest Edd]

I couldn't give a shit how much a player gets payed.  They are either good enough to play for us or they aren't, and Owen certainly is.

[Cajun]

Its not just about being good enough is it?

[Kanji]

I don't see the point in whinging over how much the man makes. Why do you ask?

 

1. We are in a strong financial position, wages don't bother me

2. Hes our captain, hes leading like one, playing like one. and I haven't seen anyone since Shearer wear the armband and command that respect a captain deserves.  See: His huddle, when he speaks, they all listen.

3. I don't lose sleep over what another man makes, don't care what job or function

4. WE HAVE $ FOR A CHANGE.

 

Just my opinion, no digs at anyone else's comments as to be honest, i think you all make great points...

 

whats the point of my post? donno, but its 5pm and its time for after work drink.

[Mowen]

Owen might be overpaid at 100K but what about the players who are probably around the 50-60K mark? We have far too many who don't deserve that amount of money. Emre for instance. Too many of these players are vastly overpaid here and wouldn't get anything close if they left.

 

 

I've made a similar point in the past, I think it was regarding Diarra who reportedly wanted a fortune in wages. I'd rather pay Owen £100k than the likes of Smith, Duff and Carr £50k each.

 

If a player is good enough, pay him.

 

I agree. I resent the idea of paying Owen that much, but I think it's necessary. He's got enough quality that the transfer fee + wages to replace him would also be astronomical. I can think of a lot of positives resulting from him being around and re-signing as well, most of which have been mentioned in this thread.

[chicago_shearer]

You could justify paying him less one of two ways.  You either say to his agent "sorry, but Owens a bit past it/not worth it" to which his agent laughs and walks out the room, immediately phoning one of the other billionaires who own a mid table club to offer his client's services.  The second option is to explain that the club's performances haven't been good enough to justify the same deal, and that you are asking him to take a 5%, 10% etc wage cut.  Owen's agent should then ask if we are reorganizing the wage structure for the other big earners at the club and if that is not the case then he will explain to his client that he is being personally punished/scapegoated for the club's underachievement.

 

Unless the club is really still in a dire financial situation, I don't see any way that you offer a 28 year old England international striker, the captain & top scorer of the club, worse terms unless you want to force him out.

[Cajun]

Or you could say "Basically Michael you have done pretty much fuck all since you arrived, we have stood by you and paid you a huge wage now its time to return the favour and earn a wage which fits your contribution to the team".

 

Funny thing is a few have said "We are minted now, just offer him what he wants" then moan that a replacement would cost a transfer fee and wages. If we are in this fantasy position where we don't give a shit about money why not buy a striker who will more than likely contribute more?

[Thespence]

Owen is not going to take a pay cut &  NUFC will not offer him a deal with less money. If you think that your in cuckoo land.  

 

When it comes to the crunch some team will go for him regardless of the numbers involved because the vast majority of managers & chairman will take a punt on a player like him even if it means stretching themselves because they will belive  Owen can make them a better team & get them some glory whatever that may be for that club.

 

 

[STM]

Look at it this way;

 

1. The big four will not want to sign Owen

2. Owen won't move abroad

3. Spurs, West Ham, Pompey and Everton wouldn't pay (couldn't afford in some cases) his wages

4. Man City are in no better position than us for the future but are admittedly one club that club attract him (i.e Sven)

5. We are playing well under Keegan and Owen seems to be enjying himself more and more

6. Owen has said he's settled in the north east

7. We have big bucks behind us to keep him here

 

As long as he doesn't get any stupid clauses in his contract it would be silly not to tie him down to a new contract. In some ways it's good financial sense because in a year we could ship him on for a few quid and get a little bit of money back. 

 

Personally i can only see him staying.

[CPL]

People who are saying sign someone else... any realistic suggestions?

[Cajun]

I trust Keegan to find someone

[Guest guinness_fiend]

Look at it this way;

 

1. The big four will not want to sign Owen

2. Owen won't move abroad

3. Spurs, West Ham, Pompey and Everton wouldn't pay (couldn't afford in some cases) his wages

4. Man City are in no better position than us for the future but are admittedly one club that club attract him (i.e Sven)

5. We are playing well under Keegan and Owen seems to be enjying himself more and more

6. Owen has said he's settled in the north east

7. We have big bucks behind us to keep him here

 

As long as he doesn't get any stupid clauses in his contract it would be silly not to tie him down to a new contract. In some ways it's good financial sense because in a year we could ship him on for a few quid and get a little bit of money back. 

 

Personally i can only see him staying.

 

Like an alleged yearly depreciating buy-out clause?   (was this ever revealed as bunk?)

 

I hope that he stays and that he does it because he loves the club and the fans (ditto for Oba).  If he is merely staying to pick up his inflated pay cheque and bide his time until a better offer comes along, then he needs a foot up his arse!  Ah, the wonders of speculation... 

[Parsley]

If he carries on the way he is, what's there to lose?

[Keefaz]

If he carries on the way he is, what's there to lose?

 

That's what I think. If he can continue playing as he has done recently, it'll be worth the dough. No problems.

[Cajun]

If he carries on the way he is, what's there to lose?

 

I am absolutely certain he will get a few knocks again soon. He "could" do a Woodgate and have a real turnaround but I just don't see it.

[Guest VegasToon]

I don't see the point in whinging over how much the man makes. Why do you ask?

 

1. We are in a strong financial position, wages don't bother me

2. Hes our captain, hes leading like one, playing like one. and I haven't seen anyone since Shearer wear the armband and command that respect a captain deserves.  See: His huddle, when he speaks, they all listen.

3. I don't lose sleep over what another man makes, don't care what job or function

4. WE HAVE $ FOR A CHANGE.

 

Just my opinion, no digs at anyone else's comments as to be honest, i think you all make great points...

 

whats the point of my post? donno, but its 5pm and its time for after work drink.

[OzzieMandias]

We should do whatever is necessay to keep him.

[Cronky]

As with any job, your salary is determined by what sort of competition there is for your services. In Owen's case, we're paying him Big 4 wages, but the Big 4 don't want him.

 

It's a team game, and if players see that someone is being overpaid, then long-term you could have a problem.

[Guest rebel_yell12]

If he carries on the way he is, what's there to lose?

 

I am absolutely certain he will get a few knocks again soon. He "could" do a Woodgate and have a real turnaround but I just don't see it.

 

Do a Woodgate?  Has Woodgate's fitness improved?  I thought he's pretty much another perma-crock in Spurs defence (King?).  Perhaps Woodgate should do an "Owen".  

 

What is it now, 16 matches on a run?  I think that's the best run Owen's had in five or six years (touch wood).  Maybe he really has finally put all those problems behind him.  If goes to the end of the season without an injury, Michael Owen will have played every match, including a few internationals, from 1 January through close of season.  Not a bad record, given his history.  Well worth the risk for next season.

 

I don't think it will occur to the club to cut Owen's wages.  Keegan wants to keep him.  He's marketable as f***, so I can't imagine Ashley (who has stock in Umbro and Umbro pays Owen 1 mil a year in sponsorship, until he's 40, Ashley would be well aware of Owen's marketability) would consider it wages poorly spent -- compare to Duff, Smith, even Barton (a good player but not...quite the right image).  Money isn't that tight, I should think, that his wages will infringe on the ability to pay other players.  Cutting Owen's wages would be seen in one of three ways -- 1) "revenge" for his injuries, 2)financial trouble behind the scenes, or 3)pushing him out of the club.  Not the image the club needs or wants at this point, if they are trying to attract top players.  Forget whether you think he's been overpaid, that's already happened, and deal with the reality of consequences of docking his wages.

 

Good point, earlier, that Owen really seems to have the respect of his teammates as well.  Clearly, he's earning their respect, and Keegan's.  Mort and Ashley will see that, and the improved fitness, performance, and his marketability.  Why cut his wages?  Offer him the same pay (or maybe a pittance more to keep him well clear as the "best paid" if that's an issue), get rid of the buy-out/sell-on clauses, and I'm content.  To me, that's an equal showing of commitment -- from the club, to pay him what the market says a top international player and club captain is worth (however silly the money) and from the player, to abandon his 'get-out' clauses from before and dedicate himself to Newcastle.  And maybe, if he signs a new contract, the paper talk will finally shut the f*** up every f***ing transfer window about where Owen's supposedly off to next.  

 

Owen is paid Big 4 salary (or Spurs or West Ham, both 10 and 11 actually).  And he's the sort of player Newcastle need if they want to get near to the Big 4 on the table.  Ante up, or leave the game.  Simple as.  As for the concern about players seeing he's overpaid -- I'd worry more in that instance about overpaying Duff and Smith, who aren't even in the XI, let alone contributing near to the level of Owen, or Martins (who is paid less than they are).  Having the captain and best player being the best remunerated player seems appropriate to me. 

[Dave]

Excellent post.

[Yorkie]

Aye, have to say that's well said, Rebel_yell. Has made me look at it from a different perspective.

[rocksammy]

if the people want players like deco (DREAM SIGNINGS or even just very good ones) you can beat other clubs to his signature with a player like owen on a long term contract

[OzzieMandias]

If he carries on the way he is, what's there to lose?

 

I am absolutely certain he will get a few knocks again soon. He "could" do a Woodgate and have a real turnaround but I just don't see it.

 

Do a Woodgate?  Has Woodgate's fitness improved?  I thought he's pretty much another perma-crock in Spurs defence (King?).  Perhaps Woodgate should do an "Owen".  

 

What is it now, 16 matches on a run?  I think that's the best run Owen's had in five or six years (touch wood).  Maybe he really has finally put all those problems behind him.  If goes to the end of the season without an injury, Michael Owen will have played every match, including a few internationals, from 1 January through close of season.  Not a bad record, given his history.  Well worth the risk for next season.

 

I don't think it will occur to the club to cut Owen's wages.  Keegan wants to keep him.  He's marketable as f***, so I can't imagine Ashley (who has stock in Umbro and Umbro pays Owen 1 mil a year in sponsorship, until he's 40, Ashley would be well aware of Owen's marketability) would consider it wages poorly spent -- compare to Duff, Smith, even Barton (a good player but not...quite the right image).  Money isn't that tight, I should think, that his wages will infringe on the ability to pay other players.  Cutting Owen's wages would be seen in one of three ways -- 1) "revenge" for his injuries, 2)financial trouble behind the scenes, or 3)pushing him out of the club.  Not the image the club needs or wants at this point, if they are trying to attract top players.  Forget whether you think he's been overpaid, that's already happened, and deal with the reality of consequences of docking his wages.

 

Good point, earlier, that Owen really seems to have the respect of his teammates as well.  Clearly, he's earning their respect, and Keegan's.  Mort and Ashley will see that, and the improved fitness, performance, and his marketability.  Why cut his wages?  Offer him the same pay (or maybe a pittance more to keep him well clear as the "best paid" if that's an issue), get rid of the buy-out/sell-on clauses, and I'm content.  To me, that's an equal showing of commitment -- from the club, to pay him what the market says a top international player and club captain is worth (however silly the money) and from the player, to abandon his 'get-out' clauses from before and dedicate himself to Newcastle.  And maybe, if he signs a new contract, the paper talk will finally shut the f*** up every f***ing transfer window about where Owen's supposedly off to next.  

 

Owen is paid Big 4 salary (or Spurs or West Ham, both 10 and 11 actually).  And he's the sort of player Newcastle need if they want to get near to the Big 4 on the table.  Ante up, or leave the game.  Simple as.  As for the concern about players seeing he's overpaid -- I'd worry more in that instance about overpaying Duff and Smith, who aren't even in the XI, let alone contributing near to the level of Owen, or Martins (who is paid less than they are).  Having the captain and best player being the best remunerated player seems appropriate to me. 

 

[merlin]

It baffles me so many people think we'll get some worldclass strikers.

 

Exactly - NUFC will be WAY down the list of potential clubs for any top young striker ; in our current state, we would have even struggled to get into the race for Shearer had he been in his prime at Blackburn now, never mind compete with Man U for him..

Strikers are the most sought-after players in World football - if we are to replace the likes of Owen, it will have to be either from within(which is a long process), or snap up a youngster from another club(either abroad or from the lower leagues)who shows potential.

The only other way is to sign several players who can contribute a reasonable number of goals each -

such as replacing Viduka with Ashton etc., but to replace Owen's scoring ability with a top-rated striker is not an available option for the club at this time.

 

IF he can be kept fit, I would re-sign him like a shot, and only Specialist medical experts can tell you that..

 

Then again, knowing what many fans think of him, he may not WANT to stay - its all speculation.