Amara Diane off to Qatar

[NE5]

beye succeded, but cacapa and rozy failed. as ne5 said, often only 1/10 of these players make it (personally imo it varies from manager to manager, as most of keegan's shrewd buy's worked out, as did a lot of SBR's) and if only 1/10 players make it (although Beye and Feye did, Smith, Viduka, Rozy, Cacapa, Barton and anybody else who was so shit i've forgotten didn't so the cost of that transfer policy should really be judged on the total cost of all these signings.

so last transfer window the success of feye and beye cost around 8million each, plus a big wage increase which smith and viduka are responsible for.

they saved what would otherwise have been an appauling transfer window.

 

 

and there you have, the proof of the pudding.

 

 

[NE5]

i don't think we've had any amunition to defend the club in any way since we hired graeme souness, the only thing i find promicing about the current regime is that yes, they wiped all the debt and i do like the scouting network we're trying to set up (also the better contact with the fanbase, e.g. morts end of season report).

NE5 spent about 3 years defending shepheard when he was doing his best to ruin the club , but i'm not going to write him off as being bitter and twisted about the new regime until we have something real and tangible to celerbrate and he's still moaning.

 

in actual fact, it isn't me who's been moaning on for a canny few years now either and the bit in bold is ridiculous.

 

 

[NE5]

the top teams don't just spend on players at their peak, or just buy promising talents, or just buy teenagers for the academy, they do ALL these things. in fact plenty of top sides buy players way before theyve hit their peak, so as to get their best years out of them and train them in the ethos of the club.

 

Look at Milan going for Kaka and Pato as youngsters, alongside older names. look at barca buying in youngsters or trainig kids from the area with Messi, Dos Santos, Bojan, Fabregas, Pique, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol and so on, alongside young talents like etoo, toure, ronaldinho and then some more established names already at their peak (ironically these are perhaps the least successful transfers - likes of henry, thuram, zambrotta). man utd bought ronaldo as a teenager for a 5th of the price he'd go for now, also bought rooney, nani, anderson young, have three teenaged brazilian lads coming this sumer, and almost all their big signings are those under 24 again yet to reach to their peak. they also go after young names and develop players through the academy, to great success as we found out a few years back. as do chelsea who atm have 19 youngsters brought in from outside in the reserves and academy and who employ a bunch of scouts like arnesen to find them.

 

us going out and buying a young player on the cheap who we can develop ourselves is a great thing and it has to be done. but only as long as it is accompanied with signings from the other categories - though i won't be fussed if we don't buy too many big name players aged 27/28 who are more likely to be on the way down. these days it is not only Wenger who is doing this, though he is perhaps the most lauded example. most clubs who want to achieve something are following similar strategies, Spurs are one example and since theyve changed their transfer policy they've gone from nothing to finishing 5th two years in a row, winning the league cup the next and beating us to transfers.

 

not saying Diane is one of these youngsters mind, seems to be more like someone to challenge Martins who is the first name on the team sheet in the present squad, as the only forward with pace.

 

good post dude, agree with it all

 

also agree with NE5 again; if we only buy cheap & young we'll never get beyond a certain level - look at spurs when they started under enic, trawling around finding bargains like defoe, carrick and lennon, staltieri, taino etc... and so forth...they realised they'd never challenge anything doing that and are now still doing it whilst spending big at the same time on first team players

 

failure of shepherds tenure was the only spending big part, if ashleys regime don't do any spending big we'll be sitting here in a few years time condemning them for it guaranteed

 

in a nutshell

 

 

[NE5]

Bargain buys? Hardly, this isn't 500k for an Irish centre back. It's a decent signing that will provide other options. As for potential, if you don't think buying for the future is a good idea then I don't want to be a fan of your football club, look at Arsenal how many players do they take and develop at their academies, it's the future simple as, we can't go and buy World Cupwinners and what have you.

 

I'm wary of signing so many Africans for the sole reason we saw what happene to Pomepy this January.

 

I don't care about Arsenal.

 

Wenger is a one off.

 

Like I said, manu and chelsea don't do it, you show me Wenger, and I will show you Ferguson and Mourhinho and tell you they buy the best players. Before them, Liverpool bought the best players. Clough broke transfer records. Revie broke transfer records. Keegan the first time bought the best players.

 

Its a signing that is hoped to be a "bargain" buy. Like it or not, this is the truth. Coming on the back of losing top targets to the likes of Spurs, if you think this sort of standard is good enough for NUFC, its your problem.

 

They won't succeed if they throw all their eggs into this ridiculous "bargain" idea. And they won't succeed if they operate tight financial restraints when trying to sign the best players. Money talks in any walk of life. I understand why people are rejecting this, but at the end of the day, they are paranoid, clueless and should apply common sense and look at these other clubs and accordingly observe how they get success.

 

Why don't you think we can't buy World Cup winners ? We have signed a few of those over the last 16 years or so, so why not now ?

 

 

 

 

Wengers a one off, explain Ajax, Psv, now Juventus, Milan, all teams that at one stage often their most productive used home grown lads. Wenger is not a one off, he's just smart, and adopting his techniques is very good. Look at Charlie 120k now worth £10m. The fact your willing to dismiss a team thats won more leagues and cups than us makes me question why were bothering this discussion. For as good as "Buying the best players" is we are not at their level yet, and constant spending is not a maintainable structure.  Stop thinking because Ashley is a billionaire he will throw money at the club.

 

I'm not saying throw it all in the bargain basket ,but don't be so naive as to dismiss the concept of buying young and cheap like Krul, Soderberg and Zamblera. The reason we can't attract WCW is because we haven't finished in the top half for 3seasons and aren't in Europe either.

 

Spot on

 

rubbish actually.

 

 

[fredbob]

So NE5 are we not allowed to sign anyone under £x m?

 

Simple yes or no will do.

 

I wont hold my breath though. 

 

If they're not £20m each he doesn't want to know.

 

fredbob gets sillier all the time Dave, fancy you agreeing with him 

 

Are you kidding me? This is priceless.

 

I'm silly for not judging the boards ambition based on the a rumoured bid for a cheapish player?? Haha - you get better and better, the thing is even as you read this you will know how stupid you are being but will soldier on irrespective.

 

Where were you when we supposedly big for £15m+ Modric? What were the clubs ambitions then?

 

 

[NE5]

So NE5 are we not allowed to sign anyone under £x m?

 

Simple yes or no will do.

 

I wont hold my breath though. 

 

If they're not £20m each he doesn't want to know.

 

fredbob gets sillier all the time Dave, fancy you agreeing with him 

 

Are you kidding me? This is priceless.

 

I'm silly for not judging the boards ambition based on the a rumoured bid for a cheapish player?? Haha - you get better and better, the thing is even as you read this you will know how stupid you are being but will soldier on irrespective.

 

Where were you when we supposedly big for £15m+ Modric? What were the clubs ambitions then?

 

 

ever heard of the phrase "don't believe anything till the player walks through the door and kisses the badge"

 

 

[Syrette]

Are you implying that no offer of that nature was made, NE5?

[fredbob]

So NE5 are we not allowed to sign anyone under £x m?

 

Simple yes or no will do.

 

I wont hold my breath though.

 

If they're not £20m each he doesn't want to know.

 

fredbob gets sillier all the time Dave, fancy you agreeing with him

 

Are you kidding me? This is priceless.

 

I'm silly for not judging the boards ambition based on the a rumoured bid for a cheapish player?? Haha - you get better and better, the thing is even as you read this you will know how stupid you are being but will soldier on irrespective.

 

Where were you when we supposedly big for £15m+ Modric? What were the clubs ambitions then?

 

 

ever heard of the phrase "don't believe anything till the player walks through the door and kisses the badge"

 

 

 

Oh my god.

 

Some of the stuff you come out with NE5 - completely oblivious arent you?

 

Remind me again - has Diane walked through the door and kissed the badge yet? Do we even know we've bid for him?

 

Set yourself up for that one. Im sure you'll ignore this though.

 

Cringe-tastic

 

You have absolutley no retort to this so i fully expect a change of tack or you to ignore this.

 

EDIT: And i'm the silly one.

[STM]

Ignore him, he's the joke of a forum and has been for a long time.

[Guest Heneage]

I don't get how you can ever just ignore a player cos he cost little, Kolo Toure, Adebayor, Cesc, Flamini, as well as many othesr cost under 5m.

[NE5]

Ignore him, he's the joke of a forum and has been for a long time.

 

omg

 

 

[NE5]

So NE5 are we not allowed to sign anyone under £x m?

 

Simple yes or no will do.

 

I wont hold my breath though. 

 

If they're not £20m each he doesn't want to know.

 

fredbob gets sillier all the time Dave, fancy you agreeing with him 

 

Are you kidding me? This is priceless.

 

I'm silly for not judging the boards ambition based on the a rumoured bid for a cheapish player?? Haha - you get better and better, the thing is even as you read this you will know how stupid you are being but will soldier on irrespective.

 

Where were you when we supposedly big for £15m+ Modric? What were the clubs ambitions then?

 

 

ever heard of the phrase "don't believe anything till the player walks through the door and kisses the badge"

 

 

 

Oh my god.

 

Some of the stuff you come out with NE5 - completely oblivious arent you?

 

Remind me again - has Diane walked through the door and kissed the badge yet? Do we even know we've bid for him?

 

Set yourself up for that one. Im sure you'll ignore this though.

 

Cringe-tastic

 

You have absolutley no retort to this so i fully expect a change of tack or you to ignore this.

 

EDIT: And i'm the silly one.

 

eerrrr........I wasn't talking about Diane and didn't mention him - see clipped posts.

 

And get a sense of humour.

 

As you won't be told anything, of which you have no first hand experience, it may be the best course of action for you

 

 

[Dave]

What do you know of the player, NE5? Is he any good?

[Taylor Swift]

Bargain buys? Hardly, this isn't 500k for an Irish centre back. It's a decent signing that will provide other options. As for potential, if you don't think buying for the future is a good idea then I don't want to be a fan of your football club, look at Arsenal how many players do they take and develop at their academies, it's the future simple as, we can't go and buy World Cupwinners and what have you.

 

I'm wary of signing so many Africans for the sole reason we saw what happene to Pomepy this January.

 

I don't care about Arsenal.

 

Wenger is a one off.

 

Like I said, manu and chelsea don't do it, you show me Wenger, and I will show you Ferguson and Mourhinho and tell you they buy the best players. Before them, Liverpool bought the best players. Clough broke transfer records. Revie broke transfer records. Keegan the first time bought the best players.

 

Its a signing that is hoped to be a "bargain" buy. Like it or not, this is the truth. Coming on the back of losing top targets to the likes of Spurs, if you think this sort of standard is good enough for NUFC, its your problem.

 

They won't succeed if they throw all their eggs into this ridiculous "bargain" idea. And they won't succeed if they operate tight financial restraints when trying to sign the best players. Money talks in any walk of life. I understand why people are rejecting this, but at the end of the day, they are paranoid, clueless and should apply common sense and look at these other clubs and accordingly observe how they get success.

 

Why don't you think we can't buy World Cup winners ? We have signed a few of those over the last 16 years or so, so why not now ?

 

 

 

 

Wengers a one off, explain Ajax, Psv, now Juventus, Milan, all teams that at one stage often their most productive used home grown lads. Wenger is not a one off, he's just smart, and adopting his techniques is very good. Look at Charlie 120k now worth £10m. The fact your willing to dismiss a team thats won more leagues and cups than us makes me question why were bothering this discussion. For as good as "Buying the best players" is we are not at their level yet, and constant spending is not a maintainable structure. Stop thinking because Ashley is a billionaire he will throw money at the club.

 

I'm not saying throw it all in the bargain basket ,but don't be so naive as to dismiss the concept of buying young and cheap like Krul, Soderberg and Zamblera. The reason we can't attract WCW is because we haven't finished in the top half for 3seasons and aren't in Europe either.

 

I'm not thinking because Ashley is a billionaire he will throw money at the club. I'm pointing at how Liverpool, Chelsea and Manu have operated over many years, decades in the case of 2 of them.

 

I'm also pointing out how successful clubs in England have always operated.

 

Nobody is dismissing finding the odd top player on their way up in the game, I'm pointing out the simple FACT that the big boys buy the best players, not the pompeys etc.

 

Ignore this if you like. But you won't have consistent success in the game through over emphasis on "bargains". For further proof, we operated like this ourselves all the way through the 1970's and 80's - if you don't have first hand experience of this, or are too naive to even try to understand, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

Quite amazing that you pick out one or two clubs temporarily above their place to emphasise a point, and ignoring the rest.

 

For the young, and "bargain", players like the ones you mention, why not mention Chopra, Bramble, Jenas, Ambrose, Viana, Dyer, Griffin, Gavilan, Ameobi, Bernard, Hughes.........and going back further, Bogie, Dyson, Brayson, Wharton, Lormor, Conrwell, Stephenson, Tinnon.........there are plenty more.

 

So don't make out the club has never been down these particular roads either, because they have, and here are some of the names to show it.

 

Oh, and one more thing, pompey are 20m quid in the red. What shit directors eh and that is before they start building a new stadium. Still, I'm sure you and others will call that "positive thinking".

 

What a joke.

 

 

 

 

You mean the Dyer, Bernard and Jenas who were instrumental in achieving Champions League football? (Along with notable contributions from Griffin, Hughes, Ameobi)

 

Champions League football ?

 

You don't say.

 

Here's me hearing everybody saying what a shit recent history we've had.

 

Thanks for pointing out that it hasn't been so bad after all, and indeed confirming that what the current lot are doing isn't so new either.

 

 

 

 

 

So what you're saying is the route of signing youngsters can actually be successful, then?

 

And that this phenomenon is not only restricted to Arsenal.

 

Yes?

[NE5]

What do you know of the player, NE5? Is he any good?

 

what do you know of the player Dave to trumpet such support for him .... ?

 

Along with such a transfer policy in general ?

 

In case you haven't noticed - and not just you - my comments are all aimed at the transfer policy in general, or what it appears to be so far, not this particular player.

 

I know you sincerely think this "new system" will succeed, being the supposed opposite of the old direction that you despised because you despised the people, but I'm afraid the way to success is through spending and bringing in the top players just like all the other successful clubs in history. Don't know how many times I have to say this, but Alex Ferguson has been at Old Trafford for over 20 years, if it were possible to win these trophies by hunting around for pompey-type transfer dealings, then he would have gone that way by now.

 

This has always been the case.

 

If the club operates a "sell to buy" policy, you will all be bleating your heads off in a few years time when the penny drops.

 

 

[Taylor Swift]

What about our bid for Luca Modric, NE5?

 

What are your feelings about that?

[Dave]

What do you know of the player, NE5? Is he any good?

 

what do you know of the player Dave to trumpet such support for him .... ?

 

Along with such a transfer policy in general ?

 

In case you haven't noticed - and not just you - my comments are all aimed at the transfer policy in general, or what it appears to be so far, not this particular player.

 

I know you sincerely think this "new system" will succeed, being the supposed opposite of the old direction that you despised because you despised the people, but I'm afraid the way to success is through spending and bringing in the top players just like all the other successful clubs in history. Don't know how many times I have to say this, but Alex Ferguson has been at Old Trafford for over 20 years, if it were possible to win these trophies by hunting around for pompey-type transfer dealings, then he would have gone that way by now.

 

This has always been the case.

 

If the club operates a "sell to buy" policy, you will all be bleating your heads off in a few years time when the penny drops.

 

 

 

You didn't answer my question. Is it another one you are going to ignore, like when you refused to admit you wrongly blamed the board for missing out on Sidwell?

[Dave]

What about our bid for Luca Modric, NE5?

 

What are your feelings about that?

 

It wasn't real. La la la la la.

[fredbob]

So NE5 are we not allowed to sign anyone under £x m?

 

Simple yes or no will do.

 

I wont hold my breath though. 

 

If they're not £20m each he doesn't want to know.

 

fredbob gets sillier all the time Dave, fancy you agreeing with him 

 

Are you kidding me? This is priceless.

 

I'm silly for not judging the boards ambition based on the a rumoured bid for a cheapish player?? Haha - you get better and better, the thing is even as you read this you will know how stupid you are being but will soldier on irrespective.

 

Where were you when we supposedly big for £15m+ Modric? What were the clubs ambitions then?

 

 

ever heard of the phrase "don't believe anything till the player walks through the door and kisses the badge"

 

 

 

Oh my god.

 

Some of the stuff you come out with NE5 - completely oblivious arent you?

 

Remind me again - has Diane walked through the door and kissed the badge yet? Do we even know we've bid for him?

 

Set yourself up for that one. Im sure you'll ignore this though.

 

Cringe-tastic

 

You have absolutley no retort to this so i fully expect a change of tack or you to ignore this.

 

EDIT: And i'm the silly one.

 

eerrrr........I wasn't talking about Diane and didn't mention him - see clipped posts.

 

And get a sense of humour.

 

As you won't be told anything, of which you have no first hand experience, it may be the best course of action for you

 

 

 

[NE5]

Bargain buys? Hardly, this isn't 500k for an Irish centre back. It's a decent signing that will provide other options. As for potential, if you don't think buying for the future is a good idea then I don't want to be a fan of your football club, look at Arsenal how many players do they take and develop at their academies, it's the future simple as, we can't go and buy World Cupwinners and what have you.

 

I'm wary of signing so many Africans for the sole reason we saw what happene to Pomepy this January.

 

I don't care about Arsenal.

 

Wenger is a one off.

 

Like I said, manu and chelsea don't do it, you show me Wenger, and I will show you Ferguson and Mourhinho and tell you they buy the best players. Before them, Liverpool bought the best players. Clough broke transfer records. Revie broke transfer records. Keegan the first time bought the best players.

 

Its a signing that is hoped to be a "bargain" buy. Like it or not, this is the truth. Coming on the back of losing top targets to the likes of Spurs, if you think this sort of standard is good enough for NUFC, its your problem.

 

They won't succeed if they throw all their eggs into this ridiculous "bargain" idea. And they won't succeed if they operate tight financial restraints when trying to sign the best players. Money talks in any walk of life. I understand why people are rejecting this, but at the end of the day, they are paranoid, clueless and should apply common sense and look at these other clubs and accordingly observe how they get success.

 

Why don't you think we can't buy World Cup winners ? We have signed a few of those over the last 16 years or so, so why not now ?

 

 

 

 

Wengers a one off, explain Ajax, Psv, now Juventus, Milan, all teams that at one stage often their most productive used home grown lads. Wenger is not a one off, he's just smart, and adopting his techniques is very good. Look at Charlie 120k now worth £10m. The fact your willing to dismiss a team thats won more leagues and cups than us makes me question why were bothering this discussion. For as good as "Buying the best players" is we are not at their level yet, and constant spending is not a maintainable structure.  Stop thinking because Ashley is a billionaire he will throw money at the club.

 

I'm not saying throw it all in the bargain basket ,but don't be so naive as to dismiss the concept of buying young and cheap like Krul, Soderberg and Zamblera. The reason we can't attract WCW is because we haven't finished in the top half for 3seasons and aren't in Europe either.

 

I'm not thinking because Ashley is a billionaire he will throw money at the club. I'm pointing at how Liverpool, Chelsea and Manu have operated over many years, decades in the case of 2 of them.

 

I'm also pointing out how successful clubs in England have always operated.

 

Nobody is dismissing finding the odd top player on their way up in the game, I'm pointing out the simple FACT that the big boys buy the best players, not the pompeys etc.

 

Ignore this if you like. But you won't have consistent success in the game through over emphasis on "bargains". For further proof, we operated like this ourselves all the way through the 1970's and 80's - if you don't have first hand experience of this, or are too naive to even try to understand, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

Quite amazing that you pick out one or two clubs temporarily above their place to emphasise a point, and ignoring the rest.

 

For the young, and "bargain", players like the ones you mention, why not mention Chopra, Bramble, Jenas, Ambrose, Viana, Dyer, Griffin, Gavilan, Ameobi, Bernard, Hughes.........and going back further, Bogie, Dyson, Brayson, Wharton, Lormor, Conrwell, Stephenson, Tinnon.........there are plenty more.

 

So don't make out the club has never been down these particular roads either, because they have, and here are some of the names to show it.

 

Oh, and one more thing, pompey are 20m quid in the red. What shit directors eh  and that is before they start building a new stadium. Still, I'm sure you and others will call that "positive thinking".

 

What a joke.

 

 

 

 

You mean the Dyer, Bernard and Jenas who were instrumental in achieving Champions League football? (Along with notable contributions from Griffin, Hughes, Ameobi)

 

Champions League football ?

 

You don't say.

 

Here's me hearing everybody saying what a shit recent history we've had.

 

Thanks for pointing out that it hasn't been so bad after all, and indeed confirming that what the current lot are doing isn't so new either.

 

 

 

 

 

So what you're saying is the route of signing youngsters can actually be successful, then?

 

And that this phenomenon is not only restricted to Arsenal.

 

Yes?

 

Now ......... the club has been accused of only making "trophy signings". So what exactly are you saying now ?

 

What I'm saying is that the new board has to at least match the ambition of the old board. If it doesn't, then it won't match it. The old board did its best and backed its managers as much as was possible. I don't agree with capped spending, sell to buy, and strict wage ceilings, for a club like Newcastle, with the 3rd biggest support in the country.

 

Anything less is selling the club short.

 

 

 

 

[NE5]

So NE5 are we not allowed to sign anyone under £x m?

 

Simple yes or no will do.

 

I wont hold my breath though. 

 

If they're not £20m each he doesn't want to know.

 

fredbob gets sillier all the time Dave, fancy you agreeing with him 

 

Are you kidding me? This is priceless.

 

I'm silly for not judging the boards ambition based on the a rumoured bid for a cheapish player?? Haha - you get better and better, the thing is even as you read this you will know how stupid you are being but will soldier on irrespective.

 

Where were you when we supposedly big for £15m+ Modric? What were the clubs ambitions then?

 

 

ever heard of the phrase "don't believe anything till the player walks through the door and kisses the badge"

 

 

 

Oh my god.

 

Some of the stuff you come out with NE5 - completely oblivious arent you?

 

Remind me again - has Diane walked through the door and kissed the badge yet? Do we even know we've bid for him?

 

Set yourself up for that one. Im sure you'll ignore this though.

 

Cringe-tastic

 

You have absolutley no retort to this so i fully expect a change of tack or you to ignore this.

 

EDIT: And i'm the silly one.

 

eerrrr........I wasn't talking about Diane and didn't mention him - see clipped posts.

 

And get a sense of humour.

 

As you won't be told anything, of which you have no first hand experience, it may be the best course of action for you

 

 

 

 

no retort then ?

 

good.

 

 

[NE5]

What about our bid for Luca Modric, NE5?

 

What are your feelings about that?

 

It wasn't real. La la la la la.

 

they either sign or they don't. He didn't.

 

 

 

 

[Dave]

Ignoring my question again. How predictable.

[Taylor Swift]

No, look, I'm just looking at the quote pyramid that I posted in. It goes like this..

 

Person a: Buying for potential is good. Look at Arsenal.

You: Arsenal are a one off.

Person a: No, actually Ajax, Milan, PSV etc. have employed the same policy and made it work.

You: Well, we've tried this before. We tried it with Jenas, Dyer, Bellamy, Bernard etc.

Person a: Yes, and we got in the Champions League with them.

 

Up until here, the logic is straightforward. But then you go off on a tangent about people having an agenda against the old board.

 

So, I'm just moving the discussion back to the issue that was at hand.

 

Following the logic in the quote pyramid, did we not get into the CL utilising the policy of signing youngsters? You yourself said that we've tried this before, and the result of it was given to you in the next quote. You haven't directly responded to that, yet.

[NE5]

What do you know of the player, NE5? Is he any good?

 

what do you know of the player Dave to trumpet such support for him .... ?

 

Along with such a transfer policy in general ?

 

In case you haven't noticed - and not just you - my comments are all aimed at the transfer policy in general, or what it appears to be so far, not this particular player.

 

I know you sincerely think this "new system" will succeed, being the supposed opposite of the old direction that you despised because you despised the people, but I'm afraid the way to success is through spending and bringing in the top players just like all the other successful clubs in history. Don't know how many times I have to say this, but Alex Ferguson has been at Old Trafford for over 20 years, if it were possible to win these trophies by hunting around for pompey-type transfer dealings, then he would have gone that way by now.

 

This has always been the case.

 

If the club operates a "sell to buy" policy, you will all be bleating your heads off in a few years time when the penny drops.

 

 

 

You didn't answer my question. Is it another one you are going to ignore, like when you refused to admit you wrongly blamed the board for missing out on Sidwell?

 

I didn't realise you were commenting on the player ? I thought like myself you were commenting on the transfer policy.

 

So, have you seen him or are you commenting on the transfer policy like me ?

 

My view of him is along the lines expressed by UV earlier.