Comolli Sucks

[NE5]

 

dee dee dee dee ........

 

http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=52796.msg1329229#msg1329229

 

 

I know you didn't answer the question about that boot room in Huddersfield where Shearer and Keegan held talks, thanks for reminding everybody else though.  

 

no names then ?

 

 

[James]

NE5,

 

Assume that the speculation that Modric had no control over where he went is true, and that Spurs only tied up the deal because they agreed to insert clauses that are financially favourable to Modric's controllers, but mean that Spurs will have to sell up with minimal profit in a couple of years.

 

Would you have matched Spurs with those clauses to clinch the deal?

[NE5]

NE5,

 

Assume that the speculation that Modric had no control over where he went is true, and that Spurs only tied up the deal because they agreed to insert clauses that are financially favourable to Modric's controllers, but mean that Spurs will have to sell up with minimal profit in a couple of years.

 

Would you have matched Spurs with those clauses to clinch the deal?

 

What are you on about, was that the terms of the deal ?

 

 

[madras]

 

dee dee dee dee ........

 

http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=52796.msg1329229#msg1329229

 

 

I know you didn't answer the question about that boot room in Huddersfield where Shearer and Keegan held talks, thanks for reminding everybody else though. 

 

no names then ?

 

 

and no comment on fat freds last 3 appointments as manager or worsening on and off the field performances or any sign that things would improve.

[Mick]

 

no names then ?

 

BTW, Keegan has said on numerous occasions he believes in getting players face to face in a "room" and assessing them. Similar to a job interview. I presume you know what a job interview is  mackems.gif

 

No names to substantiate what you say in my link then ? What a shame you are trying to tell people that we have always attracted good players when finishing in the top half of the old first division 5 times in 30 years ?

 

Must have been some good players to do that  mackems.gif

 

Unbelievable. What a waste of space you are.

 

 

 

 

You said that Keegan and Shearer met in his own boot room, you actually named both yet Shearer claims that they met in Huddersfield at the house of one of his mates, Shearer also claims that Keegan rang him and spent an hour on the phone selling the club to him, yet you said Shearer had to tell Keegan why he (Shearer) wanted to play for us.  Shearer said it was the other way around and Keegan did the selling to him.

 

I'll quote you in this thread:

 

Keegan has said that he thinks he should get the player on his own in a boot room and ask him why he wants to play for the club. He has done this with past signings such as Shearer, Rob Lee, Ferdinand, all his major buys if not all.

 

I agree with you that Keegan is a very important person when we're trying to bring new players to the club because I can't think of anybody who could sell the club better than him.

 

Where I disagree with you is that you are constantly shit stirring against the club while having no information to back it up yet you pass what you think off as facts because you have an agenda and you’ll actually gain some satisfaction if we screw up.  You’ll probably claim that you’ll gain no satisfaction but actions speak louder than words and your actions on here suggest that you will get something out of failure.

 

I'm waiting now for you to claim you'll get nothing out of us failing then you'll spend the next month contradicting yourself with your actions.

 

 

[Mick]

 

no names then ?

 

 

 

What names?

[OzzieMandias]

NE5,

 

Assume that the speculation that Modric had no control over where he went is true, and that Spurs only tied up the deal because they agreed to insert clauses that are financially favourable to Modric's controllers, but mean that Spurs will have to sell up with minimal profit in a couple of years.

 

Would you have matched Spurs with those clauses to clinch the deal?

 

Of course not. He would simply have marched Modric to the nearest boot room and explained that Newcastle broke the world transfer record back when the player was ten years old. Problem solved.

[James]

NE5,

 

Assume that the speculation that Modric had no control over where he went is true, and that Spurs only tied up the deal because they agreed to insert clauses that are financially favourable to Modric's controllers, but mean that Spurs will have to sell up with minimal profit in a couple of years.

 

Would you have matched Spurs with those clauses to clinch the deal?

 

What are you on about, was that the terms of the deal ?

 

 

 

The pieces gleamed from the transfer (some definite, some less definite) are that:

 

We offered Dinamo and Modric more money

 

No club was allowed to speak to Modric in person. Dinamo owned him like a slave. Dinamo owners, the Mamic brothers chose where he was going.

 

We wanted to terminate this slave contract and make Peter Harrison Modric's agent. Spurs wanted to do the same.

 

Mamic brothers didn't want this, and Spurs agreed to throw in a minimum fee clause and a sell on clause as conditions meaning that Spurs will have to sell in a couple of years if a bigger club comes sniffing, and the Mamic brothers will get the profits from this sale.

 

We wouldn't do this. So Mamic brothers made him go to Spurs.

[Guest Heneage]

How do you know all of this?

[NE5]

 

no names then ?

 

BTW, Keegan has said on numerous occasions he believes in getting players face to face in a "room" and assessing them. Similar to a job interview. I presume you know what a job interview is  mackems.gif

 

No names to substantiate what you say in my link then ? What a shame you are trying to tell people that we have always attracted good players when finishing in the top half of the old first division 5 times in 30 years ?

 

Must have been some good players to do that  mackems.gif

 

Unbelievable. What a waste of space you are.

 

 

 

 

You said that Keegan and Shearer met in his own boot room, you actually named both yet Shearer claims that they met in Huddersfield at the house of one of his mates, Shearer also claims that Keegan rang him and spent an hour on the phone selling the club to him, yet you said Shearer had to tell Keegan why he (Shearer) wanted to play for us.  Shearer said it was the other way around and Keegan did the selling to him.

 

I'll quote you in this thread:

 

Keegan has said that he thinks he should get the player on his own in a boot room and ask him why he wants to play for the club. He has done this with past signings such as Shearer, Rob Lee, Ferdinand, all his major buys if not all.

 

I agree with you that Keegan is a very important person when we're trying to bring new players to the club because I can't think of anybody who could sell the club better than him.

 

Where I disagree with you is that you are constantly shit stirring against the club while having no information to back it up yet you pass what you think off as facts because you have an agenda and you’ll actually gain some satisfaction if we screw up.  You’ll probably claim that you’ll gain no satisfaction but actions speak louder than words and your actions on here suggest that you will get something out of failure.

 

I'm waiting now for you to claim you'll get nothing out of us failing then you'll spend the next month contradicting yourself with your actions.

 

 

 

not his "own" room. Just a room somewhere. You must have been living on Mars [nowt new there] if you've never heard Keegan say this. Rob Lee or someone also said it in a recent Mag.

 

Now, what about naming all those top international players on a par with the Shearers, Ferdinands, Battys etc that we signed during the 1960', 70's and 80's that you claim in the link I've made to your post. As we've "always attracted these players". Bear in mind that similar calibre players would also have pretty much matched the performances via League positions if it were the case. Back up your claims with names. It's all yours .........

 

 

[NE5]

NE5,

 

Assume that the speculation that Modric had no control over where he went is true, and that Spurs only tied up the deal because they agreed to insert clauses that are financially favourable to Modric's controllers, but mean that Spurs will have to sell up with minimal profit in a couple of years.

 

Would you have matched Spurs with those clauses to clinch the deal?

 

What are you on about, was that the terms of the deal ?

 

 

 

The pieces gleamed from the transfer (some definite, some less definite) are that:

 

We offered Dinamo and Modric more money

 

No club was allowed to speak to Modric in person. Dinamo owned him like a slave. Dinamo owners, the Mamic brothers chose where he was going.

 

We wanted to terminate this slave contract and make Peter Harrison Modric's agent. Spurs wanted to do the same.

 

Mamic brothers didn't want this, and Spurs agreed to throw in a minimum fee clause and a sell on clause as conditions meaning that Spurs will have to sell in a couple of years if a bigger club comes sniffing, and the Mamic brothers will get the profits from this sale.

 

We wouldn't do this. So Mamic brothers made him go to Spurs.

 

Thats a lot of info. Smacks of Anelka being controlled by his brothers, which doesn't say too much for his strength of character. Do you believe it or do you have proof ?

 

Thing is also, you asked me a question, and ala Tevez and Mascherano, this sort of transfer will start to become more common, so the simple answer is, as usual, if you don't compete with the big boys you won't be one yourself.

 

 

[madras]

NE5,

 

Assume that the speculation that Modric had no control over where he went is true, and that Spurs only tied up the deal because they agreed to insert clauses that are financially favourable to Modric's controllers, but mean that Spurs will have to sell up with minimal profit in a couple of years.

 

Would you have matched Spurs with those clauses to clinch the deal?

 

What are you on about, was that the terms of the deal ?

 

 

 

The pieces gleamed from the transfer (some definite, some less definite) are that:

 

We offered Dinamo and Modric more money

 

No club was allowed to speak to Modric in person. Dinamo owned him like a slave. Dinamo owners, the Mamic brothers chose where he was going.

 

We wanted to terminate this slave contract and make Peter Harrison Modric's agent. Spurs wanted to do the same.

 

Mamic brothers didn't want this, and Spurs agreed to throw in a minimum fee clause and a sell on clause as conditions meaning that Spurs will have to sell in a couple of years if a bigger club comes sniffing, and the Mamic brothers will get the profits from this sale.

 

We wouldn't do this. So Mamic brothers made him go to Spurs.

 

Thats a lot of info. Smacks of Anelka being controlled by his brothers, which doesn't say too much for his strength of character. Do you believe it or do you have proof ?

 

Thing is also, you asked me a question, and ala Tevez and Mascherano, this sort of transfer will start to become more common, so the simple answer is, as usual, if you don't compete with the big boys you won't be one yourself.

 

 

what happens if you attempt to compete but make a spectacularly bad job of it ?

 

bit like a poor manager...he tries his best,no-one doubts the effort but he has to go.

[Geordie Boot Boy]

Damien Comolli faces questions over future

 

Gary Jacob

 

Damien Comolli is fighting to save his position as Tottenham Hotspur sporting director. The Frenchman has this summer's transfer window to recoup some of the substantial amount of money that the club have spent, under his direction, on players in recent seasons or risk being sacked in the autumn after three years in his post.

 

Comolli's tenure has come under scrutiny in part because of the estimated fall in the value of some of his expensive acquisitions and some disagreements with Juande Ramos, the Tottenham head coach. Darren Bent, Younès Kaboul, Ricardo Rocha and Kevin-Prince Boateng cost a combined fee of about £32million in the past 18 months, but they are now arguably worth half that sum. This has led to questions about whether Comolli is delivering value for money.

 

Tottenham would not want to disrupt their transfer strategy this summer by dismissing Comolli now. Daniel Levy, the chairman, has shown that he is willing to give his staff an opportunity to turn things around. He backed Glenn Hoddle when the board voted on his managerial future five years ago and supported Martin Jol, the manager last summer, when one director at the club wanted to replace the Dutchman with Harry Redknapp, the Portsmouth manager.

 

Some fans have questioned Comolli's ability to spot a good player, but that does not appear to be a concern inside the club. However, there is some disquiet at White Hart Lane at the money - and hence profit - that could be raised by the sale of the players who have arrived under Comolli.

 

There are also questions over the fees paid for some players. Gilberto, a 31-year-old Brazil left back, cost £1.8million in January, when he had six months remaining on his contract at Hertha Berlin. He arrived overweight and unfit. Boateng was bought for nearly £5million last summer, also from Hertha, despite Seville, the other suitor, offering half as much. Before that, eyebrows were raised at the arrivals of Danny Murphy and Mido for a combined fee of £6.5million.

 

Comolli will have a chance to realign his transfer balance sheet, with Dimitar Berbatov expected to realise a profit of about £17million on the £10.9million paid to Bayer Leverkusen in 2006, if the Bulgaria forward leaves.

 

Signings are not only the responsibility of Comolli. Every member of Tottenham's management group, comprising Levy, Comolli, Ramos and John Alexander, the club secretary, are supposed to agree about a particular player. However, Jol has since complained that he did not want some of the acquisitions, while Ramos rejected eight players offered to him in January.

 

The club backed Comolli during his disagreements with Jol, but it is not certain that they will do so with Ramos, who holds a stronger bargaining position. There is no suggestion that the club will discard their continental structure, brought in by Levy. Ramos enjoyed success working under the system at Seville, where Ramón Rodríguez Monchi, the sporting director with whom he had an uncomfortable relationship, was credited with discovering the best players.

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/tottenham/article3950212.ece

 

 

Quite stunning that! This guy has blown a hell of a lot of money on a bunch of players who don't even make the team anymore. Shocking stuff.

 

Why were you the first reply to your own thread and you did it with a quote of the whole article?  That kind of thing's really annoying when you're reading the site on your phone.

[madras]

NE5,

 

Assume that the speculation that Modric had no control over where he went is true, and that Spurs only tied up the deal because they agreed to insert clauses that are financially favourable to Modric's controllers, but mean that Spurs will have to sell up with minimal profit in a couple of years.

 

Would you have matched Spurs with those clauses to clinch the deal?

 

What are you on about, was that the terms of the deal ?

 

 

 

The pieces gleamed from the transfer (some definite, some less definite) are that:

 

We offered Dinamo and Modric more money

 

No club was allowed to speak to Modric in person. Dinamo owned him like a slave. Dinamo owners, the Mamic brothers chose where he was going.

 

We wanted to terminate this slave contract and make Peter Harrison Modric's agent. Spurs wanted to do the same.

 

Mamic brothers didn't want this, and Spurs agreed to throw in a minimum fee clause and a sell on clause as conditions meaning that Spurs will have to sell in a couple of years if a bigger club comes sniffing, and the Mamic brothers will get the profits from this sale.

 

We wouldn't do this. So Mamic brothers made him go to Spurs.

 

Thats a lot of info. Smacks of Anelka being controlled by his brothers, which doesn't say too much for his strength of character. Do you believe it or do you have proof ?

 

Thing is also, you asked me a question, and ala Tevez and Mascherano, this sort of transfer will start to become more common, so the simple answer is, as usual, if you don't compete with the big boys you won't be one yourself.

 

 

what happens if you attempt to compete but make a spectacularly bad job of it and dig yourself into a position it looks increasingly difficuilt to get out of ?

 

bit like a poor manager...he tries his best,no-one doubts the effort but he has to go.

[Parky]

Damien Comolli faces questions over future

 

Gary Jacob

 

Damien Comolli is fighting to save his position as Tottenham Hotspur sporting director. The Frenchman has this summer's transfer window to recoup some of the substantial amount of money that the club have spent, under his direction, on players in recent seasons or risk being sacked in the autumn after three years in his post.

 

Comolli's tenure has come under scrutiny in part because of the estimated fall in the value of some of his expensive acquisitions and some disagreements with Juande Ramos, the Tottenham head coach. Darren Bent, Younès Kaboul, Ricardo Rocha and Kevin-Prince Boateng cost a combined fee of about £32million in the past 18 months, but they are now arguably worth half that sum. This has led to questions about whether Comolli is delivering value for money.

 

Tottenham would not want to disrupt their transfer strategy this summer by dismissing Comolli now. Daniel Levy, the chairman, has shown that he is willing to give his staff an opportunity to turn things around. He backed Glenn Hoddle when the board voted on his managerial future five years ago and supported Martin Jol, the manager last summer, when one director at the club wanted to replace the Dutchman with Harry Redknapp, the Portsmouth manager.

 

Some fans have questioned Comolli's ability to spot a good player, but that does not appear to be a concern inside the club. However, there is some disquiet at White Hart Lane at the money - and hence profit - that could be raised by the sale of the players who have arrived under Comolli.

 

There are also questions over the fees paid for some players. Gilberto, a 31-year-old Brazil left back, cost £1.8million in January, when he had six months remaining on his contract at Hertha Berlin. He arrived overweight and unfit. Boateng was bought for nearly £5million last summer, also from Hertha, despite Seville, the other suitor, offering half as much. Before that, eyebrows were raised at the arrivals of Danny Murphy and Mido for a combined fee of £6.5million.

 

Comolli will have a chance to realign his transfer balance sheet, with Dimitar Berbatov expected to realise a profit of about £17million on the £10.9million paid to Bayer Leverkusen in 2006, if the Bulgaria forward leaves.

 

Signings are not only the responsibility of Comolli. Every member of Tottenham's management group, comprising Levy, Comolli, Ramos and John Alexander, the club secretary, are supposed to agree about a particular player. However, Jol has since complained that he did not want some of the acquisitions, while Ramos rejected eight players offered to him in January.

 

The club backed Comolli during his disagreements with Jol, but it is not certain that they will do so with Ramos, who holds a stronger bargaining position. There is no suggestion that the club will discard their continental structure, brought in by Levy. Ramos enjoyed success working under the system at Seville, where Ramón Rodríguez Monchi, the sporting director with whom he had an uncomfortable relationship, was credited with discovering the best players.

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/tottenham/article3950212.ece

 

 

Quite stunning that! This guy has blown a hell of a lot of money on a bunch of players who don't even make the team anymore. Shocking stuff.

 

Why were you the first reply to your own thread and you did it with a quote of the whole article?  That kind of thing's really annoying when you're reading the site on your phone.

 

Basically as I've always maintained there is no magic about this system. Buying players is always a gamble, some work, some don't.

 

However what we have now with a little more oversight is preferable than what we had before, but it won't be a magical fix.

 

 

 

[NE5]

NE5,

 

Assume that the speculation that Modric had no control over where he went is true, and that Spurs only tied up the deal because they agreed to insert clauses that are financially favourable to Modric's controllers, but mean that Spurs will have to sell up with minimal profit in a couple of years.

 

Would you have matched Spurs with those clauses to clinch the deal?

 

What are you on about, was that the terms of the deal ?

 

 

 

The pieces gleamed from the transfer (some definite, some less definite) are that:

 

We offered Dinamo and Modric more money

 

No club was allowed to speak to Modric in person. Dinamo owned him like a slave. Dinamo owners, the Mamic brothers chose where he was going.

 

We wanted to terminate this slave contract and make Peter Harrison Modric's agent. Spurs wanted to do the same.

 

Mamic brothers didn't want this, and Spurs agreed to throw in a minimum fee clause and a sell on clause as conditions meaning that Spurs will have to sell in a couple of years if a bigger club comes sniffing, and the Mamic brothers will get the profits from this sale.

 

We wouldn't do this. So Mamic brothers made him go to Spurs.

 

Thats a lot of info. Smacks of Anelka being controlled by his brothers, which doesn't say too much for his strength of character. Do you believe it or do you have proof ?

 

Thing is also, you asked me a question, and ala Tevez and Mascherano, this sort of transfer will start to become more common, so the simple answer is, as usual, if you don't compete with the big boys you won't be one yourself.

 

 

what happens if you attempt to compete but make a spectacularly bad job of it ?

 

bit like a poor manager...he tries his best,no-one doubts the effort but he has to go.

 

more qualifications for europe bar 4 clubs doesn't sound like a complete disaster to me

 

What happens if you don't bother competing at all ?

 

 

[Guest Heneage]

Can you be a "Big club" if you've never played in the Champions League?

[Guest kingdawson]

Can you be a "Big club" if you've never played in the Champions League?

 

Yes.

[relámpago blanco]

Can you be a "Big club" if you've never played in the Champions League?

 

Yes.

We must be massive then since we have.

[James]

I'm in the middle of an interesting project.

 

I'm counting up the players in the current or most recent squad in the international teams of the Top 25 ranked countries, EURO2008 participants, WC2006 participants and ANC and Copa America Semi finalists.

 

Domestic clubs score points based on the world rankings of the international sides the players represent.

 

Done ten nations so far, not looking very good for NUFC and Spurs right now.

[Willow]

I'm in the middle of an interesting project.

 

I'm counting up the players in the current or most recent squad in the international teams of the Top 25 ranked countries, EURO2008 participants, WC2006 participants and ANC and Copa America Semi finalists.

 

Domestic clubs score points based on the world rankings of the international sides the players represent.

 

Done ten nations so far, not looking very good for NUFC and Spurs right now.

 

You have far too much time on your hands james...

[James]

I'm in the middle of an interesting project.

 

I'm counting up the players in the current or most recent squad in the international teams of the Top 25 ranked countries, EURO2008 participants, WC2006 participants and ANC and Copa America Semi finalists.

 

Domestic clubs score points based on the world rankings of the international sides the players represent.

 

Done ten nations so far, not looking very good for NUFC and Spurs right now.

 

You have far too much time on your hands james...

 

I do. But it gives me a chance to learn about players, clubs and national sides of which my knowledge is limited. Plus I need to work on my Excel skills.

[Mick]

 

not his "own" room. Just a room somewhere. You must have been living on Mars [nowt new there] if you've never heard Keegan say this. Rob Lee or someone also said it in a recent Mag.

 

Now, what about naming all those top international players on a par with the Shearers, Ferdinands, Battys etc that we signed during the 1960', 70's and 80's that you claim in the link I've made to your post. As we've "always attracted these players". Bear in mind that similar calibre players would also have pretty much matched the performances via League positions if it were the case. Back up your claims with names. It's all yours .........

 

 

 

OK so Keegan didn't ask Shearer why he wanted to sign for us. 

 

I didn't say that we signed " top international players on a par with the Shearers, Ferdinands, Battys."  I'd be more than happy if we sign players who are as good as Malcolm Macdonald, Jimmy Smith, Tony Green, Peter Beardsley, Terry Mac, Kevin Keegan, Chris Waddle, Peter Withe, Terry Hibbitt and Tommy Craig.

 

I couldn't give a shit where our players come from or if they are internationals when we get them, all I care about is what they do while here.  I guess that's why you banged on about Smith and Duff being good players, they are former internationals and you can't seem to see past that.

[NE5]

 

not his "own" room. Just a room somewhere. You must have been living on Mars [nowt new there] if you've never heard Keegan say this. Rob Lee or someone also said it in a recent Mag.

 

Now, what about naming all those top international players on a par with the Shearers, Ferdinands, Battys etc that we signed during the 1960', 70's and 80's that you claim in the link I've made to your post. As we've "always attracted these players". Bear in mind that similar calibre players would also have pretty much matched the performances via League positions if it were the case. Back up your claims with names. It's all yours .........

 

 

 

OK so Keegan didn't ask Shearer why he wanted to sign for us.   

 

I didn't say that we signed " top international players on a par with the Shearers, Ferdinands, Battys."  I'd be more than happy if we sign players who are as good as Malcolm Macdonald, Jimmy Smith, Tony Green, Peter Beardsley, Terry Mac, Kevin Keegan, Chris Waddle, Peter Withe, Terry Hibbitt and Tommy Craig.

 

I couldn't give a shit where our players come from or if they are internationals when we get them, all I care about is what they do while here.  I guess that's why you banged on about Smith and Duff being good players, they are former internationals and you can't seem to see past that.

 

you said that "we have always attracted the players". Of course we attract players, every club attracts players. Any buffoon can see that. The inference was that you said we have always attract high calibre players of the type that we have in the last 10-15 years.

 

Clearly not the case. Our league positions clearly say this. You are totally without credibility. You can't name the names that you said you could.

 

Have another go at naming them ?

 

For your info, just to show that at least one of us can substantiate claims, the following is from issue 224 of "The Mag", with John Beresford.

 

"Kevin Keegan sold me a dream and reminded me years later how he had delivered his promise. I just hope that in the day of agents and Mr fix its that KK has the chance to speak to potential targets because if that happens they will follow him like the pied piper. He will tell them what they want to hear but he will mean it 100% - they guy is a genius at it. Me, Rob [Lee] and Alan [shearer], we have all shared banter as to how we signed for him and its very similar"

 

Its not the first time you have appeared to have been on a different planet, when something doesn't suit you.

 

So, names ? Back up your statement that we have always attracted high class players of the calibre of the last 10-15 years ? Its all yours ........

 

 

 

 

[Dr Venkman]

fucking hell, another thread turns into celebrity death match