tmonkey Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Fair enough. I was at West Ham and I think his legs alone would have meant him having a field day. Geremi just couldn't run. In his defence, he's young and like Owen, its not possible to know for certain what a player might be like in a different position until he plays there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Are people aware of Milner's average pass completion statistic for the whole of last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Goalkeeper Shay Given 0 509 39,3% Steve Harper 0 456 39,7% Fraser Forster 0 0 N/A Defender Habib Beye 2 863 71,8% José Enrique Sanchez Diaz 0 836 67,6% Steven Taylor 1 802 77,8% Abdoulaye Faye 0 563 77,6% Claudio Caçapa 0 488 85,7% Stephen Carr 0 318 73,3% David Edgar 0 63 82,5% Andy Carroll 1 48 62,5% Peter Ramage 1 18 61,1% Celestine Babayaro 0 0 N/A Ben Tozer 0 0 N/A Tamas Kadar 0 0 N/A Midfielder Nicky Butt 1 1635 75,0% Geremi Nijtap 7 997 78,6% Charles N'Zogbia 2 925 72,1% Joey Barton 3 889 75,0% James Milner 2 654 66,1% Damien Duff 0 352 84,1% Belozoglu Emre 4 339 82,9% James Troisi 0 0 N/A Forward Alan Smith 1 882 75,4% Michael Owen 0 588 83,7% Obafemi Martins 3 559 75,5% Mark Viduka 1 552 68,8% Shola Ameobi 0 71 64,8% Kazenga Lua Lua 0 9 77,8% Fabio Zamblera 0 0 N/A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Goalkeeper Shay Given 0 509 39,3% Steve Harper 0 456 39,7% Fraser Forster 0 0 N/A Defender Habib Beye 2 863 71,8% José Enrique Sanchez Diaz 0 836 67,6% Steven Taylor 1 802 77,8% Abdoulaye Faye 0 563 77,6% Claudio Caçapa 0 488 85,7% Stephen Carr 0 318 73,3% David Edgar 0 63 82,5% Andy Carroll 1 48 62,5% Peter Ramage 1 18 61,1% Celestine Babayaro 0 0 N/A Ben Tozer 0 0 N/A Tamas Kadar 0 0 N/A Midfielder Nicky Butt 1 1635 75,0% Geremi Nijtap 7 997 78,6% Charles N'Zogbia 2 925 72,1% Joey Barton 3 889 75,0% James Milner 2 654 66,1% Damien Duff 0 352 84,1% Belozoglu Emre 4 339 82,9% James Troisi 0 0 N/A Forward Alan Smith 1 882 75,4% Michael Owen 0 588 83,7% Obafemi Martins 3 559 75,5% Mark Viduka 1 552 68,8% Shola Ameobi 0 71 64,8% Kazenga Lua Lua 0 9 77,8% Fabio Zamblera 0 0 N/A Probably better to keep this stuff off the board till the Yanks money is in our bank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 We definitely need to get rid of Given and Harper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 We definitely need to get rid of Given and Harper. What about Zamblera? Not any?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Are people aware of Milner's average pass completion statistic for the whole of last season? You and your bloody percentages. Of course they bloody weren't! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Goalkeeper Shay Given 0 509 39,3% Steve Harper 0 456 39,7% Fraser Forster 0 0 N/A Defender Habib Beye 2 863 71,8% José Enrique Sanchez Diaz 0 836 67,6% Steven Taylor 1 802 77,8% Abdoulaye Faye 0 563 77,6% Claudio Caçapa 0 488 85,7% Stephen Carr 0 318 73,3% David Edgar 0 63 82,5% Andy Carroll 1 48 62,5% Peter Ramage 1 18 61,1% Celestine Babayaro 0 0 N/A Ben Tozer 0 0 N/A Tamas Kadar 0 0 N/A Midfielder Nicky Butt 1 1635 75,0% Geremi Nijtap 7 997 78,6% Charles N'Zogbia 2 925 72,1% Joey Barton 3 889 75,0% James Milner 2 654 66,1% Damien Duff 0 352 84,1% Belozoglu Emre 4 339 82,9% James Troisi 0 0 N/A Forward Alan Smith 1 882 75,4% Michael Owen 0 588 83,7% Obafemi Martins 3 559 75,5% Mark Viduka 1 552 68,8% Shola Ameobi 0 71 64,8% Kazenga Lua Lua 0 9 77,8% Fabio Zamblera 0 0 N/A Looks like we should keep Duff then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I know it is just stats, but when a winger can't get in a decent cross or shot, you expect him to keep the ball, either by playing a sensible pass, or by taking the ball down the byline to force a set piece. Giving the ball away one in three is not what we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I know it is just stats, but when a winger can't get in a decent cross or shot, you expect him to keep the ball, either by playing a sensible pass, or by taking the ball down the byline to force a set piece. Giving the ball away one in three is not what we need. You should be looking for your target striker to retain the ball as much as possible as well. Therefore Smith is better than Viduka. Face it, those stats alone mean fuck all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Does that list count good crosses that nobody gets on the end of? Slight flaw there if not. Obviously not saying Milner did that too many times last year... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 No idea what counts and what doesn't Dave. I'd imagine Smith's average is bumped up by a prolonged spell in midfield Mowen. As for Duff, I don't think he's a bad player. I think there is some mental or physical thing going on that we are more likely to be able to sort out than Milner's lack of consistent ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 As for Duff, I don't think he's a bad player. Then your opinion = fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Yep its much more likely Duff will improve for us than Milner. Its just a mental thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I know it is just stats, but when a winger can't get in a decent cross or shot, you expect him to keep the ball, either by playing a sensible pass, or by taking the ball down the byline to force a set piece. Giving the ball away one in three is not what we need. Creating players try creating and more often fail, if they don't then they really are amazing players like Scholes etc...and is why defenders will also have high passing as they pass between themselves and do not take risks. Truly truly pointless stats those, the fact you don't know what they consider and what they don't really does take the biscuit when presenting them to criticise a player, at least do it properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Reds won’t go to Toon for Milner Daily Post, UK - 54 minutes ago But suggestions that Kevin Keegan, who is due back from holiday in America, will look to push Milner’s valuation up as high as £9m cooling Benitez’s ... http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2008/06/18/reds-won-t-go-to-toon-for-milner-55578-21092313/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 I know it is just stats, but when a winger can't get in a decent cross or shot, you expect him to keep the ball, either by playing a sensible pass, or by taking the ball down the byline to force a set piece. Giving the ball away one in three is not what we need. Creating players try creating and more often fail, if they don't then they really are amazing players like Scholes etc...and is why defenders will also have high passing as they pass between themselves and do not take risks. Truly truly pointless stats those, the fact you don't know what they consider and what they don't really does take the biscuit when presenting them to criticise a player, at least do it properly. OK, why not compare him to other Premier League right wingers at teams we want to be challenging: Bentley 76% Osman 76% Pienaar 78.5% Ireland 74% Utaka 79% Lennon 81% Milner 66% Our other midfielders are comparable to their equivalent players at these clubs, but Milner drops well short of both his team mates and his rivals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 whats the deal with the stats.. we've all seen Milner a lot and he always plays the same way.. head down, right, left, right, whip it in somewhere in the box.. no need for statistics to confirm what we've seen every other week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Benitez has ended his interst coz he thinks 9 million is to much this according to liverpool press Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Benitez has ended his interst coz he thinks 9 million is to much this according to liverpool press Yeah its on icliverpool and in the Liverpool post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonnyH Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Christ, even Aaron Lennon has a higher pass rate than Milner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToonArmy Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Benitez has ended his interst coz he thinks 9 million is to much this according to liverpool press Yeah its on icliverpool and in the Liverpool post. looks like they`ve called our bluff....accept the 7m now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Christ, even Aaron Lennon has a higher pass rate than Milner. That could be because Lennon spends most of his time running into blind alleys and losing possession whereas Milner is more likely to try to whip the cross in? Obviously, that's a massive simplification but the point is valid. Statistics are misleading. I saw one last year that said statistically Nigel Reo-Coker was one of the best passers in the league, whereas I and most of the 40,000 odd people sat around me could tell you that most of the time, he couldn't pass wind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Don't forget that for much of the season, Milner was on the left wing of a lopsided 4-3-3, and his job was obviously to whip in crosses from outside the edge of the area with his right foot. With our strikers, those are easy to defend against, but it was obviously central to our tactics. Do we have stats for Milner under Allardyce vs under Keegan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 what i've seen of lennon reminds me a lot of dyer to be honest, pace mainly i think. can't remember seeing him play a great deal but i don't remember him being fantastic at crossing though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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