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probably does deserve a start but in the past he has faded badly when he's hadt o play 90 minutes. Tough call.

 

To be fair has he ever had a run of 90 minute games? NEVER. Persist with the lad because he's got everything. Goals come with starts.

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Of course he can finish. He banged them in for fun at reserve level.

 

So have many players, you need more composure and more confidence at the top level.

 

Agreed. It's  unwise to throw him into the lions right now. If he starts, and doesn't score, that will both  hurt him and the team. It will affect his confidence. He needs to build his confidence in Championship first,  like Carroll, before he's allowed to start games in PL

 

It's his roughness that result in his impacts when he comes on. At that point the opponent's defenders are feeling the fatigue, while Ranger is fresh and ready. If Ranger starts a game, his fatigue will correlate with the opponent's defenders. Thus he doesn't get his advantage of having more energy.

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Of course he can finish. He banged them in for fun at reserve level.

 

So have many players, you need more composure and more confidence at the top level.

 

Agreed. It's  unwise to throw him into the lions right now. If he starts, and doesn't score, that will both  hurt him and the team. It will affect his confidence. He needs to build his confidence in Championship first,  like Carroll, before he's allowed to start games in PL

 

It's his roughness that result in his impacts when he comes on. At that point the opponent's defenders are feeling the fatigue, while Ranger is fresh and ready. If Ranger starts a game, his fatigue will correlate with the opponent's defenders. Thus he doesn't get his advantage of having more energy.

 

:thup:

 

Case in point the Fulham came where he had 80minutes or so and wasn't nearly as effective.

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Of course he can finish. He banged them in for fun at reserve level.

 

So have many players, you need more composure and more confidence at the top level.

 

Agreed. It's  unwise to throw him into the lions right now. If he starts, and doesn't score, that will both  hurt him and the team. It will affect his confidence. He needs to build his confidence in Championship first,  like Carroll, before he's allowed to start games in PL

 

It's his roughness that result in his impacts when he comes on. At that point the opponent's defenders are feeling the fatigue, while Ranger is fresh and ready. If Ranger starts a game, his fatigue will correlate with the opponent's defenders. Thus he doesn't get his advantage of having more energy.

 

How can a young promising talent progress by not playing as many minutes as possible?? I don't understand.

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Of course he can finish. He banged them in for fun at reserve level.

 

So have many players, you need more composure and more confidence at the top level.

 

Agreed. It's  unwise to throw him into the lions right now. If he starts, and doesn't score, that will both  hurt him and the team. It will affect his confidence. He needs to build his confidence in Championship first,  like Carroll, before he's allowed to start games in PL

 

It's his roughness that result in his impacts when he comes on. At that point the opponent's defenders are feeling the fatigue, while Ranger is fresh and ready. If Ranger starts a game, his fatigue will correlate with the opponent's defenders. Thus he doesn't get his advantage of having more energy.

 

:thup:

 

Case in point the Fulham came where he had 80minutes or so and wasn't nearly as effective.

 

Fulham was a poor team perfomance so I'd be reluctant to use that as an example.  He's never been given a run in the team to prove what he can do so it's all speculation at the moment as to how he'd do.

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Of course he can finish. He banged them in for fun at reserve level.

 

So have many players, you need more composure and more confidence at the top level.

 

Agreed. It's  unwise to throw him into the lions right now. If he starts, and doesn't score, that will both  hurt him and the team. It will affect his confidence. He needs to build his confidence in Championship first,  like Carroll, before he's allowed to start games in PL

 

It's his roughness that result in his impacts when he comes on. At that point the opponent's defenders are feeling the fatigue, while Ranger is fresh and ready. If Ranger starts a game, his fatigue will correlate with the opponent's defenders. Thus he doesn't get his advantage of having more energy.

 

:thup:

 

Case in point the Fulham came where he had 80minutes or so and wasn't nearly as effective.

 

Fulham was a poor team perfomance so I'd be reluctant to use that as an example.  He's never been given a run in the team to prove what he can do so it's all speculation at the moment as to how he'd do.

 

I was tempted to add a caveat regarding poor team performance/tactics.

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I've said this before, but I feel inclined to say it again.

 

I disagree with the assertion that Ranger is better than Carroll was at a similar age / stage of development.  Carroll possessed a sounder positional awareness to Ranger when at similar 'stages' of development.  His performances felt maturer, he was consistent and he looked like a seasoned footballer.  It was this framework that allowed Carroll to rapidly develop, coupled in with his astonishing rise in mental strength. 

 

Ranger is raw in his link-up play, he looks positionally inexperienced and he lacks the right form of composure in front of goal.  He has shown only glimpses of his potential, seemingly only when up against tired legs in stretched games.  Finally, I very much doubt that he has the personality and mental strength to improve his game sufficiently over the next 2/3 vital years.

 

For me, as of now, Ranger wont make it. 

I think that you may be in for a hard time soon, as these comments will come back to haunt you sooner than you think.

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The kid looks great so let's get behind him hey!

 

I wanna be like Nile Ranger,

He only lives for sex and danger,

He can gan left,

He can gan right,

He can gan left or he can gan right,

Nile Ranger shoots on sight!

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Of course he can finish. He banged them in for fun at reserve level.

 

So have many players, you need more composure and more confidence at the top level.

 

Agreed. It's  unwise to throw him into the lions right now. If he starts, and doesn't score, that will both  hurt him and the team. It will affect his confidence. He needs to build his confidence in Championship first,  like Carroll, before he's allowed to start games in PL

 

It's his roughness that result in his impacts when he comes on. At that point the opponent's defenders are feeling the fatigue, while Ranger is fresh and ready. If Ranger starts a game, his fatigue will correlate with the opponent's defenders. Thus he doesn't get his advantage of having more energy.

 

How can a young promising talent progress by not playing as many minutes as possible?? I don't understand.

 

He needs to be matched carefully. It's not sure he can handle the pressure if he's given the opportunity from start. The more games he goes without scoring, the more pressure will come down on him, and that could affect his confidence and become a real problem for him. Ranger is already benefiting as a substitute, he's getting more and more experience and will soon get his goal. But because he's a reserve, he got an excuse for not scoring. That frees him from the crack in confidence that may have been the result if he played from start in numerous of games without scoring.

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I don't know how anyone can make the judgement Ranger won't make it, especially after Carroll's rise so soon after being thought not good enough.

 

Ranger is a much more exciting player than Carroll was at this stage. Said it before I'll say it again.

 

The problem is Carrolls development skyrocked in 12 months, something that might not happen with Ranger. But he's fast, strong, but from what I've seen needs to get smarter. On plenty of occasions saturday Enrique was trying to instruct him to cut inside or go out wide but he didn't know where he was running.

 

Gutted his goal didn't count, and wasn't far off from being onside either.

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He's already a handful as a sub, which is important, as merely having a use is a good starting point for him.

 

I'd be telling him to calm down abit, working hards fine but it may be distracting him from getting that goal. Once he gets that goal he can combine the two qualities and we will see him go from strength to strength as a player.

 

 

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The best thing about his "goal" the other day was that it was really Carroll-esque.  He lept into the air, held himself there, and nodded it past the oncoming keeper. 

 

Once he settles into a role in the starting XI over the next few year, I've no doubt he'll start to shine.

 

He may not be as good as Carroll is, or is going to be, but he could well be a solid striker for us - and better than anything else we have at the minute.

 

I'd agree he's way more exciting than Carroll was at 19.

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Of course he can finish. He banged them in for fun at reserve level.

 

So have many players, you need more composure and more confidence at the top level.

 

Agreed. It's  unwise to throw him into the lions right now. If he starts, and doesn't score, that will both  hurt him and the team. It will affect his confidence. He needs to build his confidence in Championship first,  like Carroll, before he's allowed to start games in PL

 

It's his roughness that result in his impacts when he comes on. At that point the opponent's defenders are feeling the fatigue, while Ranger is fresh and ready. If Ranger starts a game, his fatigue will correlate with the opponent's defenders. Thus he doesn't get his advantage of having more energy.

 

How can a young promising talent progress by not playing as many minutes as possible?? I don't understand.

 

He needs to be matched carefully. It's not sure he can handle the pressure if he's given the opportunity from start. The more games he goes without scoring, the more pressure will come down on him, and that could affect his confidence and become a real problem for him. Ranger is already benefiting as a substitute, he's getting more and more experience and will soon get his goal. But because he's a reserve, he got an excuse for not scoring. That frees him from the crack in confidence that may have been the result if he played from start in numerous of games without scoring.

 

To be fair I can see where you're coming from but I have to disagree. I think Ranger would have been the name on everybody's lips like Carroll has been if we had been starting him all season.

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The best thing about his "goal" the other day was that it was really Carroll-esque.  He lept into the air, held himself there, and nodded it past the oncoming keeper. 

 

Once he settles into a role in the starting XI over the next few year, I've no doubt he'll start to shine.

 

He may not be as good as Carroll is, or is going to be, but he could well be a solid striker for us - and better than anything else we have at the minute.

 

I'd agree he's way more exciting than Carroll was at 19.

 

He's got a hell of a jump on him, not just for the disallowed goal but he outjumped Jaaskelainen for another header earlier on too.

 

I'd like to see him play alongside a more experienced, more intelligent striker to see if he can pick up some good habits from them, something he's unlikely to get from Best, Lovenkrands or Shola.

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