Michael Owen in 2008-09

[madras]

That was a great analysis of him by Andy Gray I thought.

 

Good spot on the little brush off of defenders he does before the ball even comes in. Very clever, and not something you'd always associate with a player like Owen.

 

I don't think its somehting he always did though, he has added it to his game after being called a one dimensional striker and after losing a yard or two of pace its served him very well.

Smaller strikers can benefit from defenders not expecting them to get their head onto crosses but with Owens timing he is very very adapt at it.

 

owen,despite the physical differences, is very similar to shearer. lots of players go through a spell where they are in the right position and score but those that do it year in year out are few and far between, hard to get off the ball,plays the game simply and is very consistent in finding his teams players.

 

a little alarmed with the lack of good movement from martins. i hiope its just down to not having the chance to build up a rapport with a strike partner

 

Martins movement isn't as clever as Owen's, but then Owen's movement is slower and more restricted. It isn't always black and white even for Newcastle.

 

 

dunno bout that. martins never seems to use his pace.

 

We don't play the ball in front of him, beyond the last defender enough for him IMO.

thats as much down to him because of his movement (this is a re-enactment of an hours longargument in the pub last night)

[Liam Liam Liam O]

That was a great analysis of him by Andy Gray I thought.

 

Good spot on the little brush off of defenders he does before the ball even comes in. Very clever, and not something you'd always associate with a player like Owen.

 

I don't think its somehting he always did though, he has added it to his game after being called a one dimensional striker and after losing a yard or two of pace its served him very well.

Smaller strikers can benefit from defenders not expecting them to get their head onto crosses but with Owens timing he is very very adapt at it.

 

owen,despite the physical differences, is very similar to shearer. lots of players go through a spell where they are in the right position and score but those that do it year in year out are few and far between, hard to get off the ball,plays the game simply and is very consistent in finding his teams players.

 

a little alarmed with the lack of good movement from martins. i hiope its just down to not having the chance to build up a rapport with a strike partner

 

Martins movement isn't as clever as Owen's, but then Owen's movement is slower and more restricted. It isn't always black and white even for Newcastle.

 

 

dunno bout that. martins never seems to use his pace.

 

We don't play the ball in front of him, beyond the last defender enough for him IMO.

thats as much down to him because of his movement (this is a re-enactment of an hours longargument in the pub last night)

 

I think its as much down to the lack of a ball player as well though.

[madras]

That was a great analysis of him by Andy Gray I thought.

 

Good spot on the little brush off of defenders he does before the ball even comes in. Very clever, and not something you'd always associate with a player like Owen.

 

I don't think its somehting he always did though, he has added it to his game after being called a one dimensional striker and after losing a yard or two of pace its served him very well.

Smaller strikers can benefit from defenders not expecting them to get their head onto crosses but with Owens timing he is very very adapt at it.

 

owen,despite the physical differences, is very similar to shearer. lots of players go through a spell where they are in the right position and score but those that do it year in year out are few and far between, hard to get off the ball,plays the game simply and is very consistent in finding his teams players.

 

a little alarmed with the lack of good movement from martins. i hiope its just down to not having the chance to build up a rapport with a strike partner

 

Martins movement isn't as clever as Owen's, but then Owen's movement is slower and more restricted. It isn't always black and white even for Newcastle.

 

 

dunno bout that. martins never seems to use his pace.

 

We don't play the ball in front of him, beyond the last defender enough for him IMO.

thats as much down to him because of his movement (this is a re-enactment of an hours longargument in the pub last night)

 

I think its as much down to the lack of a ball player as well though.

maybe,but yesterday it was strange how much we went wide when martins was on yet had much more options through the middle when owen came on.

[Dr Venkman]

That was a great analysis of him by Andy Gray I thought.

 

Good spot on the little brush off of defenders he does before the ball even comes in. Very clever, and not something you'd always associate with a player like Owen.

 

I don't think its somehting he always did though, he has added it to his game after being called a one dimensional striker and after losing a yard or two of pace its served him very well.

Smaller strikers can benefit from defenders not expecting them to get their head onto crosses but with Owens timing he is very very adapt at it.

 

owen,despite the physical differences, is very similar to shearer. lots of players go through a spell where they are in the right position and score but those that do it year in year out are few and far between, hard to get off the ball,plays the game simply and is very consistent in finding his teams players.

 

a little alarmed with the lack of good movement from martins. i hiope its just down to not having the chance to build up a rapport with a strike partner

 

Martins movement isn't as clever as Owen's, but then Owen's movement is slower and more restricted. It isn't always black and white even for Newcastle.

 

 

dunno bout that. martins never seems to use his pace.

 

We don't play the ball in front of him, beyond the last defender enough for him IMO.

thats as much down to him because of his movement (this is a re-enactment of an hours longargument in the pub last night)

 

I think its as much down to the lack of a ball player as well though.

maybe,but yesterday it was strange how much we went wide when martins was on yet had much more options through the middle when owen came on.

 

thats because owen's got link up play in his game, martins just hasnt, his first touch is too un-reliable. if you watch owen he very very rarely wastes the ball.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

That was a great analysis of him by Andy Gray I thought.

 

Good spot on the little brush off of defenders he does before the ball even comes in. Very clever, and not something you'd always associate with a player like Owen.

 

I don't think its somehting he always did though, he has added it to his game after being called a one dimensional striker and after losing a yard or two of pace its served him very well.

Smaller strikers can benefit from defenders not expecting them to get their head onto crosses but with Owens timing he is very very adapt at it.

 

owen,despite the physical differences, is very similar to shearer. lots of players go through a spell where they are in the right position and score but those that do it year in year out are few and far between, hard to get off the ball,plays the game simply and is very consistent in finding his teams players.

 

a little alarmed with the lack of good movement from martins. i hiope its just down to not having the chance to build up a rapport with a strike partner

 

Martins movement isn't as clever as Owen's, but then Owen's movement is slower and more restricted. It isn't always black and white even for Newcastle.

 

 

dunno bout that. martins never seems to use his pace.

 

We don't play the ball in front of him, beyond the last defender enough for him IMO.

thats as much down to him because of his movement (this is a re-enactment of an hours longargument in the pub last night)

 

I think its as much down to the lack of a ball player as well though.

maybe,but yesterday it was strange how much we went wide when martins was on yet had much more options through the middle when owen came on.

 

Duff going off helped with that like

 

Anyway, its your round.................

[TRon]

That was a great analysis of him by Andy Gray I thought.

 

Good spot on the little brush off of defenders he does before the ball even comes in. Very clever, and not something you'd always associate with a player like Owen.

 

I don't think its somehting he always did though, he has added it to his game after being called a one dimensional striker and after losing a yard or two of pace its served him very well.

Smaller strikers can benefit from defenders not expecting them to get their head onto crosses but with Owens timing he is very very adapt at it.

 

owen,despite the physical differences, is very similar to shearer. lots of players go through a spell where they are in the right position and score but those that do it year in year out are few and far between, hard to get off the ball,plays the game simply and is very consistent in finding his teams players.

 

a little alarmed with the lack of good movement from martins. i hiope its just down to not having the chance to build up a rapport with a strike partner

 

Martins movement isn't as clever as Owen's, but then Owen's movement is slower and more restricted. It isn't always black and white even for Newcastle.

 

 

dunno bout that. martins never seems to use his pace.

 

We don't play the ball in front of him, beyond the last defender enough for him IMO.

thats as much down to him because of his movement (this is a re-enactment of an hours longargument in the pub last night)

 

I think its as much down to the lack of a ball player as well though.

maybe,but yesterday it was strange how much we went wide when martins was on yet had much more options through the middle when owen came on.

 

thats because owen's got link up play in his game, martins just hasnt, his first touch is too un-reliable. if you watch owen he very very rarely wastes the ball.

 

Neither does Duff to be fair. He just passes sideways and refuses to try and run past anyone.

 

 

[Baggio]

That was a great analysis of him by Andy Gray I thought.

 

Good spot on the little brush off of defenders he does before the ball even comes in. Very clever, and not something you'd always associate with a player like Owen.

 

I don't think its somehting he always did though, he has added it to his game after being called a one dimensional striker and after losing a yard or two of pace its served him very well.

Smaller strikers can benefit from defenders not expecting them to get their head onto crosses but with Owens timing he is very very adapt at it.

 

owen,despite the physical differences, is very similar to shearer. lots of players go through a spell where they are in the right position and score but those that do it year in year out are few and far between, hard to get off the ball,plays the game simply and is very consistent in finding his teams players.

 

a little alarmed with the lack of good movement from martins. i hiope its just down to not having the chance to build up a rapport with a strike partner

 

Martins movement isn't as clever as Owen's, but then Owen's movement is slower and more restricted. It isn't always black and white even for Newcastle.

 

 

dunno bout that. martins never seems to use his pace.

 

We don't play the ball in front of him, beyond the last defender enough for him IMO.

thats as much down to him because of his movement (this is a re-enactment of an hours longargument in the pub last night)

 

I think its as much down to the lack of a ball player as well though.

maybe,but yesterday it was strange how much we went wide when martins was on yet had much more options through the middle when owen came on.

 

thats because owen's got link up play in his game, martins just hasnt, his first touch is too un-reliable. if you watch owen he very very rarely wastes the ball.

 

Martins link up play is better than Owen's tbh, look at the link up play between him and Jonas at Old Trafford where he dropped deep and played him through twice, or yesterday where he dropped deep to play him through when he got chopped down by Joey O'Brien.

 

Owen doesn't give the ball because he's has better control than Martins, but he also plays it safe the majority of the time rather than playing team mates in.

[Dr Venkman]

That was a great analysis of him by Andy Gray I thought.

 

Good spot on the little brush off of defenders he does before the ball even comes in. Very clever, and not something you'd always associate with a player like Owen.

 

I don't think its somehting he always did though, he has added it to his game after being called a one dimensional striker and after losing a yard or two of pace its served him very well.

Smaller strikers can benefit from defenders not expecting them to get their head onto crosses but with Owens timing he is very very adapt at it.

 

owen,despite the physical differences, is very similar to shearer. lots of players go through a spell where they are in the right position and score but those that do it year in year out are few and far between, hard to get off the ball,plays the game simply and is very consistent in finding his teams players.

 

a little alarmed with the lack of good movement from martins. i hiope its just down to not having the chance to build up a rapport with a strike partner

 

Martins movement isn't as clever as Owen's, but then Owen's movement is slower and more restricted. It isn't always black and white even for Newcastle.

 

 

dunno bout that. martins never seems to use his pace.

 

We don't play the ball in front of him, beyond the last defender enough for him IMO.

thats as much down to him because of his movement (this is a re-enactment of an hours longargument in the pub last night)

 

I think its as much down to the lack of a ball player as well though.

maybe,but yesterday it was strange how much we went wide when martins was on yet had much more options through the middle when owen came on.

 

thats because owen's got link up play in his game, martins just hasnt, his first touch is too un-reliable. if you watch owen he very very rarely wastes the ball.

 

Martins link up play is better than Owen's tbh, look at the link up play between him and Jonas at Old Trafford where he dropped deep and played him through twice, or yesterday where he dropped deep to play him through when he got chopped down by Joey O'Brien.

 

Owen doesn't give the ball because he's has better control than Martins, but he also plays it safe the majority of the time rather than playing team mates in.

 

i like both players so i dont want to turn this into owen against oba, again. but imo his link up play just isnt anywhere near owen, how can it be when he loses it so much? and not trying to do anything particularly hard either. you've provided a couple of examples but i could provide many many more from the bolton game where we needed him to keep it or pass and he just turned and ran into a defender or his first touch went ten feet away.

 

again, different players, different talents, but i dont see oba with the touch, composure, or awareness to be an effective link up player.

[madras]

That was a great analysis of him by Andy Gray I thought.

 

Good spot on the little brush off of defenders he does before the ball even comes in. Very clever, and not something you'd always associate with a player like Owen.

 

I don't think its somehting he always did though, he has added it to his game after being called a one dimensional striker and after losing a yard or two of pace its served him very well.

Smaller strikers can benefit from defenders not expecting them to get their head onto crosses but with Owens timing he is very very adapt at it.

 

owen,despite the physical differences, is very similar to shearer. lots of players go through a spell where they are in the right position and score but those that do it year in year out are few and far between, hard to get off the ball,plays the game simply and is very consistent in finding his teams players.

 

a little alarmed with the lack of good movement from martins. i hiope its just down to not having the chance to build up a rapport with a strike partner

 

Martins movement isn't as clever as Owen's, but then Owen's movement is slower and more restricted. It isn't always black and white even for Newcastle.

 

 

dunno bout that. martins never seems to use his pace.

 

We don't play the ball in front of him, beyond the last defender enough for him IMO.

thats as much down to him because of his movement (this is a re-enactment of an hours longargument in the pub last night)

 

I think its as much down to the lack of a ball player as well though.

maybe,but yesterday it was strange how much we went wide when martins was on yet had much more options through the middle when owen came on.

 

thats because owen's got link up play in his game, martins just hasnt, his first touch is too un-reliable. if you watch owen he very very rarely wastes the ball.

 

Martins link up play is better than Owen's tbh, look at the link up play between him and Jonas at Old Trafford where he dropped deep and played him through twice, or yesterday where he dropped deep to play him through when he got chopped down by Joey O'Brien.

 

Owen doesn't give the ball because he's has better control than Martins, but he also plays it safe the majority of the time rather than playing team mates in.

you're only remembering the ones that came off. yes,owen often plays it safe but he loses the ball less than martins and his movement off that is far superior. keep ball is the game that the good teams do. watch the good teams ,it's rarely a fantastic pass but the movement that creates the opening the vast majority of times.

[Baggio]

you're only remembering the ones that came off. yes,owen often plays it safe but he loses the ball less than martins and his movement off that is far superior. keep ball is the game that the good teams do. watch the good teams ,it's rarely a fantastic pass but the movement that creates the opening the vast majority of times.

 

I'm not talking about linking up as in getting on the end of things, I'm talking about linking up and doing things that your teams mates can get on the end of.

 

I'll always favour the people that try to make something happen even if it doesn't come off every time rather than someone who just plays it safe

[madras]

you're only remembering the ones that came off. yes,owen often plays it safe but he loses the ball less than martins and his movement off that is far superior. keep ball is the game that the good teams do. watch the good teams ,it's rarely a fantastic pass but the movement that creates the opening the vast majority of times.

 

I'm not talking about linking up as in getting on the end of things, I'm talking about linking up and doing things that your teams mates can get on the end of.

 

I'll always favour the people that try to make something happen even if it doesn't come off every time rather than someone who just plays it safe

i'd always favour the forward who keeps the ball and makes a move over one that tries a 1 in 10 pass and executes it poorly.

[Baggio]

you're only remembering the ones that came off. yes,owen often plays it safe but he loses the ball less than martins and his movement off that is far superior. keep ball is the game that the good teams do. watch the good teams ,it's rarely a fantastic pass but the movement that creates the opening the vast majority of times.

 

I'm not talking about linking up as in getting on the end of things, I'm talking about linking up and doing things that your teams mates can get on the end of.

 

I'll always favour the people that try to make something happen even if it doesn't come off every time rather than someone who just plays it safe

i'd always favour the forward who keeps the ball and makes a move over one that tries a 1 in 10 pass and executes it poorly.

 

1 in 10?

 

Not like you to go over the top to try and make a point.

[TRon]

you're only remembering the ones that came off. yes,owen often plays it safe but he loses the ball less than martins and his movement off that is far superior. keep ball is the game that the good teams do. watch the good teams ,it's rarely a fantastic pass but the movement that creates the opening the vast majority of times.

 

I'm not talking about linking up as in getting on the end of things, I'm talking about linking up and doing things that your teams mates can get on the end of.

 

I'll always favour the people that try to make something happen even if it doesn't come off every time rather than someone who just plays it safe

i'd always favour the forward who keeps the ball and makes a move over one that tries a 1 in 10 pass and executes it poorly.

 

Would Shearer prefer to play with another Shearer rather than Bellamy then?

 

 

[madras]

you're only remembering the ones that came off. yes,owen often plays it safe but he loses the ball less than martins and his movement off that is far superior. keep ball is the game that the good teams do. watch the good teams ,it's rarely a fantastic pass but the movement that creates the opening the vast majority of times.

 

I'm not talking about linking up as in getting on the end of things, I'm talking about linking up and doing things that your teams mates can get on the end of.

 

I'll always favour the people that try to make something happen even if it doesn't come off every time rather than someone who just plays it safe

i'd always favour the forward who keeps the ball and makes a move over one that tries a 1 in 10 pass and executes it poorly.

 

Would Shearer prefer to play with another Shearer rather than Bellamy then?

 

 

what ?

[TRon]

you're only remembering the ones that came off. yes,owen often plays it safe but he loses the ball less than martins and his movement off that is far superior. keep ball is the game that the good teams do. watch the good teams ,it's rarely a fantastic pass but the movement that creates the opening the vast majority of times.

 

I'm not talking about linking up as in getting on the end of things, I'm talking about linking up and doing things that your teams mates can get on the end of.

 

I'll always favour the people that try to make something happen even if it doesn't come off every time rather than someone who just plays it safe

i'd always favour the forward who keeps the ball and makes a move over one that tries a 1 in 10 pass and executes it poorly.

 

Would Shearer prefer to play with another Shearer rather than Bellamy then?

 

 

what ?

 

Do you want me to spell it out?

 

[madras]

you're only remembering the ones that came off. yes,owen often plays it safe but he loses the ball less than martins and his movement off that is far superior. keep ball is the game that the good teams do. watch the good teams ,it's rarely a fantastic pass but the movement that creates the opening the vast majority of times.

 

I'm not talking about linking up as in getting on the end of things, I'm talking about linking up and doing things that your teams mates can get on the end of.

 

I'll always favour the people that try to make something happen even if it doesn't come off every time rather than someone who just plays it safe

i'd always favour the forward who keeps the ball and makes a move over one that tries a 1 in 10 pass and executes it poorly.

 

Would Shearer prefer to play with another Shearer rather than Bellamy then?

 

 

what ?

 

Do you want me to spell it out?

 

yes

[TRon]

you're only remembering the ones that came off. yes,owen often plays it safe but he loses the ball less than martins and his movement off that is far superior. keep ball is the game that the good teams do. watch the good teams ,it's rarely a fantastic pass but the movement that creates the opening the vast majority of times.

 

I'm not talking about linking up as in getting on the end of things, I'm talking about linking up and doing things that your teams mates can get on the end of.

 

I'll always favour the people that try to make something happen even if it doesn't come off every time rather than someone who just plays it safe

i'd always favour the forward who keeps the ball and makes a move over one that tries a 1 in 10 pass and executes it poorly.

 

Would Shearer prefer to play with another Shearer rather than Bellamy then?

 

 

what ?

 

Do you want me to spell it out?

 

yes

 

Ok...Shearer admitted he liked to play with Bellamy because he (BELLAMY) provide the legs.

 

i.e. LEGS = MOVEMENT (off and on the ball).

 

Alternatively (for example) Shearer had the option with playing with another finisher like Stephane Guivarche who LACKED MOVEMENT.  (Possibly providing fewer options to the team ACROSS THE PITCH IN VITAL AREAS.

 

Did that help?

 

 

[Thespence]

Shearer played with the one paced Sutton & Sheringham & did okay.

[Guest]

Shearer still managed to score 30 goals in the season he was mainly alongside Duncan Ferguson though.

[TRon]

Shearer played with the one paced Sutton & Sheringham & did okay.

 

Wimbledon won the FA Cup a few years back when we were out of Europe as well. Good point.

 

 

[madras]

you're only remembering the ones that came off. yes,owen often plays it safe but he loses the ball less than martins and his movement off that is far superior. keep ball is the game that the good teams do. watch the good teams ,it's rarely a fantastic pass but the movement that creates the opening the vast majority of times.

 

I'm not talking about linking up as in getting on the end of things, I'm talking about linking up and doing things that your teams mates can get on the end of.

 

I'll always favour the people that try to make something happen even if it doesn't come off every time rather than someone who just plays it safe

i'd always favour the forward who keeps the ball and makes a move over one that tries a 1 in 10 pass and executes it poorly.

 

Would Shearer prefer to play with another Shearer rather than Bellamy then?

 

 

what ?

 

Do you want me to spell it out?

 

yes

 

Ok...Shearer admitted he liked to play with Bellamy because he (BELLAMY) provide the legs.

 

i.e. LEGS = MOVEMENT (off and on the ball).

 

Alternatively (for example) Shearer had the option with playing with another finisher like Stephane Guivarche who LACKED MOVEMENT.  (Possibly providing fewer options to the team ACROSS THE PITCH IN VITAL AREAS.

 

Did that help?

 

 

vaguely...i just don't see what it had to do with the original discussion., i'm quoted on here as saying i think owen and martins could play as a front 2. if i had to pick one or the other on purely football stuff (without age,wages or how long on the conract) i'd pick owen. he plays possession football and has excellent mpovement and good finishing (that sums up the best teams)

[TRon]

Shearer still managed to score 30 goals in the season he was mainly alongside Duncan Ferguson though.

 

Makes you wonder why we bought Bellamy then? And why we went on to play Champs League Football after that? SBR must just have got lucky.

 

 

[madras]

Shearer still managed to score 30 goals in the season he was mainly alongside Duncan Ferguson though.

 

Makes you wonder why we bought Bellamy then? And why we went on to play Champs League Football after that? SBR must just have got lucky.

 

 

you're on dodgy ground there as it would make dabizas,bramble,o'brien,hughes and griffin a good defence

 

edit--sorry olivier

[Guest]

Shearer still managed to score 30 goals in the season he was mainly alongside Duncan Ferguson though.

 

Makes you wonder why we bought Bellamy then? And why we went on to play Champs League Football after that? SBR must just have got lucky.

 

 

Eh? All I'm saying is that a striker can still score goals even if he's playing with a similar sort of player.

[Thespence]

Shearer played with the one paced Sutton & Sheringham & did okay.

 

Wimbledon won the FA Cup a few years back when we were out of Europe as well. Good point.

 

Go to bed, your getting shot down & making an arse of yourself.

 

Night